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post #21 of 861
Originally Posted by JaneS
RE: Liver

Yes it does contain the X Factor, as do all organ meats, but I haven't seen as much specific info on it as butter. I assume it would also have to be grass fed?

Also shellfish, and fish but I don't know the particulars. I know fish roe does, there's a recipe for fish roe cakes in "Nourishing Traditions".

How do you make chicken livers in bacon? Broil it like scallops in bacon?

Eating liver regularly is one of my New Year's resolutions
that's good too know...dd can have no dairy whatsoever but liver and shellfish are okay. i would also try fish roe, ntu i don't know if i've ever even seen real fish roe (when it says "remove from casing...? ew, what is that??) only the cheap dyed stuff on sushi.

as for the bacon wrapped livers, my dh usually makes tham but that sounds right, you just wan tt make syre the bacon is cooked to your liking. i just bought some cl's yesterday and I am going to make the cl pate...yay!

oh and last night had bison for the first time--it was good, very flavorful, more flavorful than the new york steaks i usually make. with it i made the brown rice from NT with beef broth and put it on low while I went to the store, and i was soooo good and didn't burn the bottom of the pan like my rice cooker always does. then I sauted some veggies (onion, carrots, cauli, broc, sugar snap peas) and simmered them in coconut milk... OMG, it was delish, and dh couldn't stop "MMMMM....mmmmmm..."-ing at the dinner table, not to mention my 3 1/2 y.o. ate up all her veggies in record time!!!
it will definitely become a weekly dish.....
post #22 of 861
mama nomad that sounds, very, very yummy!!!!

Jane and others; I am wondering how you think this would affect teeth sensitivity? I developed sensitivity during pregnancy. Actually, just one I think and mainly it is sensitivity to sweets (which I shouldn't eat anyway). It has been this way for a while- I guess close to 2 yrs. Hasn't developed into a visible cavity. The hygenist first told me it was because I was using unflouridated toothpaste(Tom of Maine's- no flouride in our water either). I switched to Aquafresh, the next visit she told me it was because I wasn't using Colgate?!? I am suspicious of flouride as it is from info I have read here. I am wondering what is the NaPD/NT view of flouride? I have read both but I don't recall it being mentioned in either.
post #23 of 861
I'm not sure of the "official" NT view of fluoride but I would imagine it's not approved as the fluoride we use/ingest is a very unnatural and toxic product. I recently read "The Fluoride Deception" by Christopher Bryson. Very eye opening! You probably will never want to use fluoride again.
post #24 of 861
: I feel overwhelmed now. A whole new area I need toresearch ::: Angelbee fainted :::
post #25 of 861
AngelBee, I know what you're saying. One thing leads to at least one other thing you need to research, if not more! I can trace my journey back to watching the movie "SuperSize Me". It's taken on a life of it's own from there!
post #26 of 861
Thread Starter 
Fluoridation: The Fraud of the Century

Fluoride: Worse than We Thought

I thought tooth sensitivity was gingivitis or similar infection type problem of the gums?
post #27 of 861
Thanks for the info ladies!

I think some of my sensitivity issue is gum related as one spot that is sensitive my gum has receded a bit (on an incisor). However, on the other tooth it is smack in the middle.
post #28 of 861
Thread Starter 
More scientific evidence against fluoride:

post #29 of 861
I am totally opposed to internal fluoride, but topically I'm currently ok with. Perhaps if my DD had had a proper start with good teeth and enamel I would not have to use it. But she did not, and I do credit topical fluoride as being the final blow in winning our tooth decay battle.

When being faced with the prospect of GA or the possibility of killing it with fluoride treatments, you'd better believe I jumped on the latter option!

We still use fluoride toothpaste because I'm paranoid of getting new cavities, even though we're eating a great diet now. I just can't be sure of the strength of her tooth enamel since that formed prenatally.

(ps. Jane this is totally not a bash against you! You know I you. Just giving my reasons for using it.)
post #30 of 861
Thread Starter 
I hear you!

It's really hard to figure this all out when you're under the 8 ball ... you do what you feel is right.

I did find something else re: fluoride today that is quite interesting:

Fluoride & the Pineal Gland: Study Published in Caries Research


When Luke found out that the pineal gland - a little gland in the center of the brain, responsible for a very large range of regulating activities (it produces serotonin and melatonin) -was also a calcifying tissue, like the teeth and the bones, she hypothesized it would concentrate fluoride to very high levels. The gland is not protected by the blood brain barrier and has a very high perfusion rate of blood, second only to the kidney...

She found that melatonin production... was lower in the animals treated with high fluoride levels compared with those treated with low levels...

Significance? Huge. Melatonin is reponsible for regulating all kinds of activities and there is a vast amount of work investigating its possible roles in aging, cancer and many other life processes. The one activity that Luke is particularly interested in is the onset of puberty. The highest levels of melatonin ( produced only at night) is generated in young children. It is thought that it is the fall of these melatonin levels which acts like a biological clock and triggers the onset of puberty. In her gerbil study she found that the high fluoride treated animals were reaching puberty earlier than the low fluoride ones.
More from that site:

Fluoride: A Statement of Concern
by Paul Connett, PhD


1. I have been researching the literature on fluoride for just over three years. I approached this issue with an open mind. If I had any bias when I set out it was that those who were opposed to fluoridation were `crackpots'.

2. However, the more I have read the more concerned I have become over the dangers posed by fluoride and the very poor science underpinning its supposed efficacy in protecting children's teeth. How we ever allowed such a toxic substance into the drinking water is staggering. Even though fluoride's toxicity is rated higher than lead, the US Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) maximum contaminant level for lead in water is 15 ppb (parts per billion) whereas the level allowed for fluoride is 4,000 ppb. The recommended level for artificial fluoridation of the drinking water of 1 part per million (1 ppm = 1,000 ppb) was established in 1945, and it hasn't been changed since, even though today we (and our children) are getting fluoride from many other additional sources, including toothpaste, other dental products, mouthwashes, processed food, some vitamin tablets, and beverages.
Actually processed food and beverages contain a LOT of fluoride:
post #31 of 861
Thread Starter 
Study showing probiotic supplementation reduced cavities 49% in young children


The probiotic milk was this strain www.culturelle.com
post #32 of 861
Ok, i am totally soaking this all in............

So, there are a lto of things we do right it seems,

I really like JASON Oral Comfort toothpaste for sensitive teeth and gums . i have ben out fo rawhile nwo and really feel it! Need to go to Whole Foods! MIL turned me on to it after I had dd, and I love it.It is the only thing that make smy gums feel better. Well, that and the JASON mouthwash.Powersmile
post #33 of 861
Originally Posted by JaneS
Study showing probiotic supplementation reduced cavities 49% in young children...
I wonder if kefir might have similar "anti-cavity" qualities?
post #34 of 861
Thread Starter 
Yes, it naturally begs the question whether all beneficial probiotics have the same effect as this particular strain. My guess is yes. I also wonder why that is one reason why raw milk is so beneficial as well, in addition to the qualities it has in increasing mineral absorption.
post #35 of 861
Again, ladies, such a fascinating thread.

I am trying to locate a raw milk source here - have contacted a few farms but so far no response.

I am able to get raw milk cheese so that is a start.

But my current thoughts surround how can I make the most of the fact that my ds is still nursing.

in other words how do i make my breastmilk as beneficial as possible?

Being super vigilant about my nutritional balance, right?

interesting topic...off to learn more.
post #36 of 861
Thread Starter 
Sources of raw milk here, under Where section:


Well the milk of all mammals, including humans, is supposed to contain the X factor... but of course it must depend on diet. I have never seen a discussion of this. We know for cows, their diet must be grass, not sure what is the magic bullet is for humans!

The content and type of fats in breastmilk is a very interesting topic. That is very dependent on diet. For example, if you eat coconut oil, bm will contain more beneficial fatty acids: MCT, lauric acid. And the amount of DHA is also dependent on diet somewhat, although the breast does make some "on demand" if you do include cod liver oil in your diet, more omega 3's will show up in bm.

If you eat hydrogenated fat... it will also be in your bm too! Which is always my first response against the false standard, "you can eat junk food and your bm will be perfect" argument.

So my guess is that the fats in the diet are key to quality bm that contains the X Factor.

A little info:

All about traditional fats here: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

WAP dietary guidelines for pg and bf'ing moms:

I highly recommend getting "Nourishing Traditions" to learn more about traditional diets and healthy fats. It is huge, a cookbook and nutritional bible all in one:

Please post anything interesting you find in your search.
post #37 of 861
Thread Starter 
Been meaning to find this quote and post here:

Ancient Dietary Wisdom for Tomorrow's Children


The children never brushed their teeth--in fact their teeth were covered in green slime--but Price found that only about one percent of the teeth had any decay at all.
post #38 of 861
Thread Starter 
Regarding toothpaste and nutritional support of teeth, Gerard Judd's info is very interesting:

The idea is that glycerine, which is in all toothpastes, coats the teeth and hinders remineralization from the saliva since glycerine takes something like 20 washes to get it all off. Soap takes 2-3 rinses.

Several months ago, I got some Toothsoap based on a rec from someone here and I really like it! It doesn't have any glycerin so it helps your teeth to remineralize. Doesn't taste like soap at all, just neutral. My teeth do feel very clean. Don't know if it's diet changes either, but I don't get that tiny line of tartar near the gums anymore. I'll update you the next time I visit my dentist for a cleaning to let you know if they notice a difference too.

They also have a sweet organic raw honey formula for kids but I don't mind the regular.
post #39 of 861
Jane, thank you so much for posting this. I heard Dr Judd on the radio long ago, but I was in the car so couldn't get his details. I have been wanting to get his book and I also ordered the tooth soap.

I could never understand how toothpaste could possible clean teeth, have you ever tried cleaning a sink with it?! Up until recently I cleaned the children's teeth (the younger two) with water and a terry wash cloth. They do use toothpaste now, but I really didn't want them to use it, but I felt they needed something more.
post #40 of 861
Thread Starter 
Cool, let me know if you like it!

My DH thinks I'm completely *whacked*. So I gathered up all the pastes in the house and put them in his bathroom cabinet including DS's silly strawberry
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