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Barb, yes we've been duped in many ways by the "experts". For us it was the devastating effects of antibiotics. At least we have the internet now!! I find it funny that this thoroughly modern tool only led me back to ancient nutritional wisdom.

I wonder if vitamin D wasn't a major issue for you guys living in Oregon? Have you had blood tests? The RDA for vit D is a joke.
post #622 of 861

vit D

Yeah, we've definitely been keeping dosed up with cod liver oil these days---but I wonder if that's enough?
What else could we be doing?

Barb
post #623 of 861
I just ordered this book Cure Tooth Decay and I love it! There's a lot of free information on the website that you can use now.
post #624 of 861
Well, I've just ordered from dentist.net

x Dr. Collins Restore Remineralizing Toothpaste - Buy 2 - Expected ship date 2/2/09 @ $12.98 each.
1 x DrTungs hyG Ionic Toothbrush @ $15.99 each.
1 x DrTungs Ionic Toothbrush Replacement Brush Heads (Twin Pack) @ $7.95 each.
1 x Spiffies Dental Wipes - Tripack (1 Grape, 1 Apple, 1 Mango) @ $14.75 each.
1 x Spry Infant Tooth Gel With Xylitol - 2 oz Bottle - Buy 2 @ $9.58 each.
1 x Spry Sugar Free Gum 20 packs of 10 pieces - Cinnamon @ $16.95 each.
1 x Spry Sugar Free Mints 240 pieces - Raspberry @ $8.95 each.
1 x Xylosweet Maylar Bag - 1 lbs Maylar Bag @ $6.99 each.

And from https://www.greenpasture.org

BO-1000 X-FACTOR GOLD High Vitamin Butter Oil, 96 dose 1 $60.00 $60.00
F-1039 BLUE ICE Fermented Cod Liver Oil, Regular 237 dose 1 $39.00 $39.00

I sure hope that for over $200 worth of products I can actually see some difference in my poor DS's teeth. And I hope I can get him to take/use it all
post #625 of 861

Rinsing & Eating Cheeses - zero cavities in 13 year olds perm teeth

I've been following up on this forum and thought I would share what we experienced with our son, now 13.

With his baby teeth, he had "classic" bottle mouth. That is, even though he was breast fed, his 4 front teeth (top and bottom) all developed carries. We eventually had these tiny carries filled (using mild oral sedatives). We took him to several dentists - all but one recommended total sedation and total removal of the teeth which seemed excessive and worried us. We elected to do the "less intensive method" and are very glad we did.

But, we were concerned about his new erupting teeth - how would we keep them from being just as bad as his baby teeth?

Around this time we saw an article about a British study that had school children eat a small piece of cheese (can't remember if it was colby/cheddar/swiss) every night upon retiring. Our dentist had also recommended we limit/reduce sweet drinks and encourage our kid to rinse even if he couldn't brush.

We have limited his sweet drinks to one a week (he chooses the day/drink), he brushes every night (at least), rinses with water after any sweet thing or meal, and tries to eat a 1 inch cube of colby or cheddar every night.

Not one cavity in the last 10 years!

My husband and I embraced this practice, too, and neither of us have had a cavity in 15 years, so, I highly recommend it.

Of course, if you have a cheese allergy, you might try to substitute with a probiotic to try to add in the bacteria fighting elements of the cheese, but, I would think a non-milk yogurt might be the best as it would let the bacteria play around in your mouth - I suspect swallowing pills wouldn't achieve the desired result.

If you google "cheese dental carries british study" you'll find references to a number of studies on this topic.

Camas, WA
post #626 of 861
I can't find the info so far. Are you eating it and then going to bed without brushing teeth again?
post #627 of 861
This is so amazing, I'm going to risk reposting the article. Basically, the cheese alters the ph on the tooth and actually REMINERALIZES the tooth, even in the presence of sugar. (so, no brushing afterwards). Cheese prevented demineralization and enhanced remineralization of enamel and root lesions!


A Protective Effect of Dairy Foods in Oral Health
Protective Effect of Cheese Against Dental Caries

Certain cheeses help to protect against dental caries. When laboratory animals consumed diets high in fermentable carbohydrates, intake of cheese (e.g., Cheddar, mozzarella) reduced the development of dental caries (9-11). Fewer and less severe carious lesions occurred on crowns and root surfaces in desalivated animals (i.e., at high risk of caries because of lack of saliva) which consumed Cheddar- or Swiss-type cheeses with a cariogenic diet (11). This finding that cheese may reduce the risk of root caries is of importance for older adults, many of whom are at high risk of root caries (1).

Eating cheeses such as Cheddar, mozzarella, Swiss, and American helps to protect against dental caries, especially if consumed at the end of a meal or in combination with caries-promoting foods.

Human plaque acidity studies, which measure a food's cariogenic potential, also indicate a protective effect of cheese against dental caries. Cheeses such as aged Cheddar, Swiss, blue, Monterey Jack, mozzarella, Brie, Gouda, and American processed cheese have been demonstrated to prevent plaque pH from falling to a level conducive to caries, even in the presence of sucrose (12-14). Likewise, the beneficial effect of cheese on dental health is supported by demineralization/remineralization studies (14-16). In a human in situ caries model, processed cheese prevented demineralization and enhanced remineralization of enamel and root lesions (14). When subjects chewed hard cheese in situ, tooth enamel surfaces previously softened by a cola-type drink exhibited significantly increased remineralization (15).

Epidemiological and clinical investigations also indicate a protective effect of cheese against dental caries (17-19). Researchers have found that older adults who consume more cheese are at reduced risk of root caries compared to subjects whose intake of this food is low (18,19). When the relationship between diet and root caries was examined in 141 adults aged 47 to 83 years, those in the lowest quartile for root caries consumed approximately twice as much cheese as those in the highest quartile (19). Individuals who were free of root caries consumed 50% more cheese and 25% more of other dairy foods than did those who experienced the most caries (19).
http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/...d71-1Page4.htm


Pat
post #628 of 861

baby tooth root canals and california raw milk source

We are new to the forum. DH first found this site after our 2.5yr twins first dentist visit. DS1 need root canals and DS2 has five small cavities. The dentist suggests full body sedation for both of them to have the work done. We are so worried about the possible side affect of sedation and root canals. Does anyone know whether root canals of baby teeth have the same dangers to health as the adult teeth root canals (evidenced by the researches of Dr. Price)?

We also are glad to learn from this forum that changing diet and taking cod liver oil and buffer oil and raw milk are so important to healthy tooth. Can any one tell us where to buy raw milk in California. We live in San Gabriel valley area.

Thanks for much.
post #629 of 861
I'm so sorry to hear! Which baby tooth needs a root canal? Depending on when it's going to fall out, I would go for an extraction myself. I did have a recent root canal done due to an abscess that formed after getting one of my fillings replaced. I had really no choice because it a last molar in the back, and an implant would've cost a fortune.

To find source for raw milk, look for a local WAP chapter.

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html#ca
post #630 of 861
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Originally Posted by ianryanmom View Post
Does anyone know whether root canals of baby teeth have the same dangers to health as the adult teeth root canals (evidenced by the researches of Dr. Price)?
My understanding is that the potential problem with root canals is due to low-level infection, so it seems that would be the same in both circumstances. I don't know of data on the topic (haven't needed to look into it, thank goodness) and I doubt there'd be any data from Price's time--it seems much more likely a badly infected baby tooth would just be extracted.

And welcome to MDC!
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What an informative thread! I've been wanting to try some of those things, except I'm sensitive to almost all supplements. CLO usually gives me bloating and diarrhea, same with salmon and fish oil capsules. Multi-vit is a no no for me as well. I tried a baby vit-D drop once and nearly passed out, don't know what's in that stuff but I must be allergic to it. The more "natural" supplements give me milder effects, like Floradix gave me heartburn. I'm lactose intolerant, but can eat some butter OK. I'm concerned that this "high vitamin butter oil" might act more like a supplement and make me feel awful.

I guess my question is, we're talking about nutrition here, can nutrition be food, not supplements? If I eat eggs and red meat frequently (I already eat lots of veggies and fish), will that help? I do not drink pop, juice, alcohol, coffee or real tea.

I've had 5 cavities fixed last year and really don't know what I did wrong. I eat well and don't even like sweet things. Both of my parents never had any cavities.

*The water supply here is not flouridated. I have no idea if there's any in my toothpaste. It's an obscure little brand because I can't stand anything minty.
post #632 of 861
I am NOT an authority by any means, pretty new to all of this. But it seems that if you had a diet like those studied you'd be fine. But that sounds like lots of liver and oily fish and plenty of fatty beef. If you have dairy issues, have you tried raw goats milk products from grass fed goats instead of regular cow's milk? I don't know if you could handle that any better, but maybe? The fermented veggies and kvass and kombucha sound like they have lots of good stuff too. http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.html You can look at what the board members eat here http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...oarddiets.html and that might help too.

ETA: Here is another interesting read http://www.westonaprice.org/healthis...tive-fire.html
post #633 of 861

CLO/HVBO Dosages

whew. all 32 pages. that took for.ever.

Now I have questions, my DD is 13 mo old and has had two spots on her front teeth that appeared about three months after they erupted. They are now shallow brownish pits with white rims, and I am assuming they are caries. My DS had the same thing appear but it never went to pitting, and looking at it now I can hardly see it anymore, just slight discoloration. Clearly he got something from my breastmilk, being older, that was gone by the time my DD was born. We do all the right things. Brushing, no sugar, raw dairy, bone broth (not every day though) etc.

Here are my questions: I have the CLO/HVBO from Dr. Ron but am unsure of the dosages, both for me or my children. All of the following ?'s are in reference to that product. I recognize that the RDA is probably lower than what we could be taking and I am just trying to get a handle on how much is the right amount.

1) I am nursing which puts my RDA at 6-7,000IU/day but seem to remember seeing something about taking more than that around 10-20,000IU/day to rebuild liver supplies. Is this a temporary therapeutic dose for deficiency? How long would I continue taking that much? The whole time I am nursing and pregnant?

2) I cannot seem to find any info on dosage for a 14 month old. Can anyone point me towards that info or have experience with that?

3) It seems that the dose for a three year old is about 2,500IU yes?

4) Does anyone have the experience of their CLO "revisiting" them all day long no matter what they eat/drink with it? Any suggestions? I can live with it but is it just...yuck. all. day.

We are focusing on this through the household diet as well but want to get a leg up with supplementation until we get a handle on eating liver on a regular basis and hopefully can halt any decay on this child's teeth (and the next baby too).

Thank you in advance for any help, what a wealth of experience on this board!



ETA: Nevermind, I found the recommended dosages on the WAP website. Took awhile. in case anyone else had the same questions...
here is the page
post #634 of 861
Using raw butter to brush your teeth?

Has anyone ever heard of this? I saw an episode of Wife Swap (or maybe it was the other show that's very similar). Anyways, one of the families were farmers that lived off of their land. They ate a completely raw diet, including fresh and fermented meat (they called it "high" meat). I don't recall them eating much fruits or vegetables. They raised chickens, so I'm sure they had plenty of eggs too. They saw a nutritionist, but no doctors, so I'm sure that probably included a dentist as well. When it came time to brush their teeth, they used raw butter. At the time, I thought that was completely insane and had never heard of such a thing, but now that I'm reading all of this stuff about HVBO it makes total sense. I'm trying to locate a source for raw butter and milk and if I find one, I would contemplate trying this. I have tons of cavities, some severe, some just barely there. I cannot afford $25 for a months worth of toothsoap, so I didn't know if it would be a good idea to stop using what I normally use (Colgate - low hazard grading on the ewg site though obviously it does contain fluoride). I guess what I'm trying to say that is because of the severity of my dental caries would it be a good idea to try using the raw butter instead of commercial toothpaste or are my teeth too far gone?
post #635 of 861
Wow, 2 days during naps to read 32 pages and take notes! What an awesome thread, so much valuable info We've been stopping and starting and um, stopping our transition to NT/TF.

I have horrible teeth and it appears DS does as well. We're back to giving him HVCLO (yay he takes it off a spoon!) but money is too tight right now to pay for BO. He's a very picky eater, so diet alone is going to be difficult. He only really eats bread, pasta, cheese pizza (and often not the cheese!), hummus, yogurt, berries and bananas, but will drink raw milk smoothies.

So here's what we're going to do:

*We already use tooth soap & will buy some xylitol & spry mints
*3 daily 1/2tsp servings of HVCLO
*pastured butter & BO when we can afford it again - he will eat it on toast
*raw milk smoothies w/ a raw egg yolk, CO, probiotic and added L. Reuteri
*pastured eggs if available (do organic omega 3 eggs count? - we don't have a local source, just Whole Foods)
*completely cutting out honey, though we try to use raw honey as much as possible
*he only drinks water
*acerola powder
*bone broths - if he will drink them. About the only thing he may eat is mashed potatoes w/ bone broth in them
*calc. phos 30C - 5 pills 3x daily

Any other recommendations for me? I'm hoping he'll start to try more foods but until then...


I haven't bought Natural Calm yet, but is it safe to give to him (he'll be 3 in April)?


Quote:
Originally Posted by ianryanmom View Post
We also are glad to learn from this forum that changing diet and taking cod liver oil and buffer oil and raw milk are so important to healthy tooth. Can any one tell us where to buy raw milk in California. We live in San Gabriel valley area.

Thanks for much.
We're in the SCV... You can get Organic Pastures raw milk from many health food stores - Whole Foods and Lassens are two of the bigger ones, and often they carry raw butter and cream as well. Or order direct from www.organicpastures.com. You may have other more local sources, too... go to www.realmilk.com
post #636 of 861
I just bought Jarrow brand vitamin K2 for myself. I'm going to give some to my 4yo every few days also. We're still going to do the raw butter, but I'm assuming that cow's diet in the winter is not going to contain much K2.

They also have a product called Bone Up that I was thinking about getting. It has K2 and many other minerals. Next time I run out of my cal/mag supplement, I might switch to this one.

If anyone would like to order from iherb, use coupon code YUM457 to get $5 off your first order. I get a percentage back.

As for organ meats, I'm very reluctant about eating liver as it filters out toxins. I love liver, and I guess I wouldn't mind eating grass-fed cow's livers, but I'm still concerned about the toxins in the liver... Toxins are everywhere, especially from neighboring farms that use commercial pesticides (arsenic source), etc. Any comments? TIA!
post #637 of 861
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Originally Posted by MomToEmerson View Post
I can't find the info so far. Are you eating it and then going to bed without brushing teeth again?
Eating cheese for healthy teeth - no, you don't need to brush your teeth again after eating cheese before going to bed. Have dinner/snack, whatever, then brush, then eat the cheese, then go to bed!

(Sorry for the length of time to respond - I am new to forum and had trouble finding my original post!)

Thanks to the several people who chimed in with more data on the British cheese research - its very old and I'm pleased it can still be found today.
CamasMom
post #638 of 861
Thanks so much So I've gotten myself confused with all my reading, LOL! I understand xylitol prevents plaque from being able to form. Does it have any negative effect on the teeth being able to remineralize using the saliva? Like the way glycerin does?
post #639 of 861
Just wanted to chime in about xylitol. Here's an article claiming xylitol is not the answer either. http://www.curetoothdecay.com/Tooth_...ooth_decay.htm

I think I give up. I've been spending tons on this stuff.
post #640 of 861
Here is another link that has more detail about how and why it is supposed to work http://xylitol-facts.blogspot.com/
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