Curing Cavities with Nutrition - Page 37

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by Toolip

If salmonella is the concern, it generally comes from the inside of the egg. Have you ever seen a little blood fleck inside an egg? A lot of people assume that this is a fertilized egg but it isn't necessarily. Many times when an egg forms, a little piece of the uterus gets trapped inside the egg. If the chicken is a carrier of salmonella, then that egg would be infected.

I don't know if that makes any sense But, what I meant to say is that washing the egg is not likely to prevent salmonella

Hmm, that's interesting. I thought the bacteria was only on the outside because the egg exits through the same passageway as the feces. But eggs have a protective coating that is destroyed when you wash it the way that commercial eggs are washed, which allows things to seep in through the pores, which is one reason among many why I would never eat a grocery store egg raw. Plus, those eggs are just more likely to be contaminated with various things, less healthy chickens. It all depends on trusting your source and knowing how they do things in detail, IMO.

[Bellyskeeper]

Vit C ? and HVCLO ?

Okay, I've gone through this thread several times and I still feel like there is stuff I miss. Here are my two questions for now...
1. Vitamin C - we are doing sodium ascorbate. So, this is still not great, from what I am reading, right? Where do I order the food derived acerola for my 2 yr old and me? Does Whole Foods carry a good brand?

2. HVCLO - I live in sunny Texas. How much am I supposed to be giving my daughter and taking myself?

Oh, and about toothsoap...how has it worked for you? I'm considering it. Right now, we do squigle which does contain glycerin and flouride. I know, I know. I'm just so overwhelmed. Where can I order that? Thanks for your patience with me as I continue to learn.

Oh, JaneS what is TF?
P.S. - thank you

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by momofmine

About freezing the raw liver for 14 days...so we buy a whole cow from our wonderful nearby farm Polyface, and so I get liver then and it's already frozen. So, then as long as it has been frozen for 14 days, then I can eat it raw? I have been wanting to do raw liver, like pate, but was wondering about this. Do you grate it and then freeze it for 14 days? Or can you just grate it already frozen?

Lucky you re: Polyface meat!! Yes you can eat raw after 14 days freezing. I grate it when it's frozen but you can do beforehand and freeze in a single layer and just snap off some. Gee, that probably would be easier... I have a dented grater.
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[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Bellyskeeper

Okay, I've gone through this thread several times and I still feel like there is stuff I miss. Here are my two questions for now...
1. Vitamin C - we are doing sodium ascorbate. So, this is still not great, from what I am reading, right? Where do I order the food derived acerola for my 2 yr old and me? Does Whole Foods carry a good brand?

There's many people in both camps. I have gone back and forth and rested on whole foods vitamin C (amla or acerola) for everyday use and sodium ascorbate if getting sick. I get Himayalan Amla or NOW Acerola online at IHerb, I've never found a decent whole food C at Whole Foods, although I think Garden of Life has one we couldn't use for some reason or another.

2. HVCLO - I live in sunny Texas. How much am I supposed to be giving my daughter and taking myself?

How I understand it is that the sun destroys vitamin D as well as makes it so there is an internal regulatory mechanism. Also the study which showed that 50% of adults in Hawaii have low vitamin D blood levels with an average of 20 hours of sun/week tells a lot in my mind.
See here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

Oh, and about toothsoap...how has it worked for you? I'm considering it. Right now, we do squigle which does contain glycerin and flouride. I know, I know. I'm just so overwhelmed. Where can I order that? Thanks for your patience with me as I continue to learn.

Oh, JaneS what is TF?
P.S. - thank you

I love Toothsoap here is the website. My teeth feel extra clean and it lasts a long time. I went back to Tom's of Maine for a while and I could tell the difference.

TF is Traditional Food
You are most welcome!

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Bellyskeeper

2. HVCLO - I live in sunny Texas. How much am I supposed to be giving my daughter and taking myself?

Originally Posted by JaneS

How I understand it is that the sun destroys vitamin D as well as makes it so there is an internal regulatory mechanism. Also the study which showed that 50% of adults in Hawaii have low vitamin D blood levels with an average of 20 hours of sun/week tells a lot in my mind.
See here:
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

Bellyskeeper--are you asking for the dosage for the A or the D? I mean, are you worried about getting too much D from the HVCLO? Or are you trying to figure out how much A you need? I don't think you will get too much D, at whatever dosage you (reasonably) take. Jane's suggesting you consider taking extra D in addition to the HVCLO. I'm ordering some for my kids, too, I've been thinking about it more and recently decided that even though we're getting out in the sun a lot this summer, it's not gonna be enough for long-term deficiencies. My personal guess is that most people are more D deficient than A deficient, or at least equally deficient, and HVCLO won't make up a D deficiency faster than the A.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Jane's suggesting you consider taking extra D in addition to the HVCLO.

I am? I don't think so... I would consider it based on a higher latitude but not sure in Texas. It's so hard to know!! And it's much easier to get A in foods than D.

[JaneS]

Also if one is on a traditional diet presumably you would be better at making D in your skin b/c of the cholesterol you are eating? Eating a diet of vegetable fats has been suggested to effect D production negatively. So I also wonder if that is one of the reasons for the low D Hawaiians... ?

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I am? I don't think so... I would consider it based on a higher latitude but not sure in Texas. It's so hard to know!! And it's much easier to get A in foods than D.

I thought that was what you were going for by mentioning half the people in the Hawaii study being deficient. Apparently I'm jumping to conclusions!

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Also if one is on a traditional diet presumably you would be better at making D in your skin b/c of the cholesterol you are eating? Eating a diet of vegetable fats has been suggested to effect D production negatively. So I also wonder if that is one of the reasons for the low D Hawaiians... ?

Quite possibly, between that and not having much skin uncovered--when I really look, even though a T-shirt and shorts isn't considered particularly modest, it covers a high % of the body. I think it's easy to max out the D you can make on the skin that's uncovered without really making a whole lot--I've been sending my son out in the middle of the day in just a pair of shorts for this very reason.

Hey, re: vegetable oils, is that separate from the omega-3/omega-6 imbalance issue? Did you have to cut out coconut oil too? I'm having burning problems, but I'm also not taking any CLO at the moment, I think I need to get my D up first, and so I am not making a lot of progress on my underlying omega-3/-6 imbalance, and I'm burning really easily (except on Thursday, when I had a ton of vitamin C and alpha lipoic acid in me). And if you tell me you cut out coconut oil as well, I will cry (I'm remembering right that you aren't burning anymore, aren't I?).

re: vitamin D, it may be worth testing, I think even in the South it's unlikely people are actually near the top of the range, and just in case this flu sticks around and gets worse in the fall/winter, I've decided it's a good time to get our D into a good range, plus obviously D is one of the important ones for teeth...

Not sure of the accuracy (really not sure, but the vitamin D council is an advocate) there's a blood spot test (instead of a draw) to measure blood vitamin D...
http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?nid=...minD%20Council

[JaneS]

As I understand it, coconut oil doesn't have omega 6's and its mostly saturated right? I thought it was positive for the 3/6/cholesterol balance. How long 'til you burn? Are you eating lots of cholesterol?

I'm very fair and I've *never* been able to withstand more than 15 minutes w/o burning. I've noticed a significant difference in last 3 years eating WAPF. Spending several hours outside in sunshine during daily life w/o burning, but I do have to wear sunscreen when going to the beach for a day. I don't eat coconut oil anymore, can't stand the taste of it! (OD'd when I was dairy free I think.)

[tanyalynn]

When I read about vegetable oil being related to burning in the sun, I can't tell if it's referencing only the normal veggie oils (canola, sunflower, corn, etc) or the highly saturated ones like palm and coconut, and whether the effect is due to the difference in saturation or the omega 3/6 balance.

I can say that especially last year when my diet was incredibly high in cholesterol (many eggs, plus meat and in general a high fat diet, I had serious fat cravings last year) it didn't make a difference--maybe too soon to tell. And my progress correcting my omega 3/6 ratio is slow, I've stopped the CLO for a while to get my D in better shape first.

My burning problems aren't worse, they just aren't noticeably better. Being in the Texas sun and being very pale, maybe I just have a higher hurdle to meet before I see real improvement.

[JaneS]

I thought it was the polyunsaturated oils specifically as they are so unstable ... but cannot remember specifically where that was ... ?

[jenquin]

Confused about greener pastures products

Some friends and I are trying to order some Blue Ice HVCLO and HVBO. We are having trouble navigating the website in terms of nutritional info and vitamin values. It looks like the cinnamon tingle flavor is the only one with Hi Vit? That can't be right.... Can anyone decipher who has ordered from them? I have cut and pasted...read and re-read all that I can at this point... Much thanks!

JenQ

[elizaMM]

Jane: lots of great links! I wish they were all in one place, or all at the beginning, so I didn't have to read so much to find them. I like the principals of Winston A Price but he doesn't back up what he says as well as I'd like.

that link to Dr. Judd on Page 2 didn't work. But I found another that looks pretty good. NOt sure if it was posted before. I'm only on page 3.

http://www.inspiredliving.com/mouth-care/

[meandk0610]

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...oth-decay.html

this is a med student writing about a study done in the early 1920s showing that vitamin d cures cavities. i just found this about 1.5 months ago; this is what we're working on.

[JaneS]

As many of you know, iodine is my current favorite research project. I'm x-posting the following information in this thread as well b/c it is just extraordinary!

: Iodine, Fluoride and Your Bones/Teeth :

Fluoride, being of the same family as iodine, can also bind to ALL iodine receptors in the body, including the thyroid, breasts, ovaries, prostate, brain, eye, salivary glands, stomach, intestines and skin. It blocks the function of iodine and can impede organ function.

"Some countries are fluoridating their water supply for the theoretical benefits of fluoride helping to prevent cavities. What is happening is the ingested fluoride takes the place of iodine that should be there in the teeth, especially growing teeth. Iodine and thyroid for example have complete control of tooth growth along with some help from growth hormone. (6-8) It is only because our iodine intake has been decreasing over the years that fluoride has been mistakenly added to our water with the idea of helping children's teeth. It would have made more scientific sense to have added more iodine."

"Fluoride has also been used against osteoporosis with beneficial results. This again is just replacing what iodine should be doing. The minor problems of osteopenia (minor loss of calcium) seen in some patients put on thyroid is related to the fact that the same patients are low in iodine. The low iodine causes the hypothyroidism and also the inappropriate short term bone response. If iodine is given with the thyroid hormone this abnormal response can be avoided. So persons taking adequate daily iodine will unlikely to ever develop osteoporosis."

"Radioactive iodine injected into patients shows a full outline of the bones on a total body scan. This means one of the places iodine goes to immediately is bones. Thyroid hormone makes bones grow, mature and remodel, when necessary. Together thyroid hormone, iodine and growth hormone maintain a healthy bone structure. As vertebrates (animals with backbones) are the only animals with thyroid glands it makes sense that iodine and thyroid control bone structure and function."

-David M. Derry MD
http://www.iodine4health.com/special...y_halogens.htm

More in "THE Iodine Thread"
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1091794

[WuWei]

I just posted this on Alternative Kids Teeth, and thought I'd post it here also. Much of the discussion relates to mother/child who are still nursing.


Basically, the gut is 70-80% of the immune system. It all starts with
nutrient-dense foods, effective digestion (with adequate stomach acid),
absorption of nutrients (in the gut with balanced microbials), and
detoxification of the chemical byproducts of foods and environmental toxins by the liver, with adequate bio-available nutrients to support the detox pathways.

I would do whole food probiotics, cod liver oil, magnesium, vit. C, zinc,
coconut oil, bone broths, green juices. Support the immune system.

Basically, you have to heal the gut to strengthen the immune system. Check out the "Healing the Gut-cheat sheet".
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=434071

Take a look at this thread discussing food *intolerances* avoidance vs not (re: detoxification discussion, ie detox pathways):
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1044707&highlight=avoidanc\
e+detox

Start here to learn about detox pathways:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...bstacle-course

And here are a few informal videos about detox pathways:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/video/video

and here about evaluating digestion and stomach acid (beet "pink pee" test"): http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/the-beet-test

This thread about Healing the Gut with Food:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...-gut-with-food

Nutrient Dense Foods:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...nt-dense-foods

Foods to Help Phase I and Phase II Detoxification:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/nutrient-dense-foods?page=2&commentId=\
2814160%3AComment%3A655&x=1#2814160Comment655

Then here, the threads linked at the top will help you to understand more about identifying your family's detox pathways:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1045391

check out www.eatingcultures.com to try and guess on some of your detox pathways, and figure out which nutrients will be important for you. And www.detoxpuzzle.com to identify some of your detox pathways, nutrient deficiencies/needs.

Much of the immune system support is rooted in hormonal imbalances due to inadequate sleep, due to obstructed neurophysiological chemical processes due to nutrient deficiencies.

This is a terrific diagram of chemical "Pathways to Happiness and Sleep"
(Serotonin and Melatonin). Caution killing-off candida, if one has or had
mercury fillings in their teeth. It releases mercury into blood circulation to
be redeposited in organs, brain and breastmilk. Taking Vit C, selenium, clay,
(zeolite?) could help to bind the mercury for excretion.

Healing the gut while pregnant or nursing has MANY cautions. Actively detoxing then is not recommended. Here is a thread about detox and nursing:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1046932&highlight=lemon&pa\
ge=2

And this one "Detox gone wrong":
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1050596&highlight=detox+nu\
rsing

Consider reading "Do this, do that and you'll feel better" thread. Might cross
check her ND's recs with yours.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...8#post13266818

A lot of issues lead back to mercury exposure from dental fillings in the
mother. Which lead to gut imbalances and candida. Candida binds with mercury to "store" it safely.

Caution killing-off candida "yeast", if one *has, or had* mercury fillings in their teeth. Killing candida releases mercury into blood circulation to be redeposited in organs, brain and breastmilk. Taking Vit C, selenium, clay, (zeolite?) could help to bind the mercury for excretion.

Additionally, there is a "bucket effect". As the allergen exposure overflows the body's ability to detoxify the chemicals (histamine, pollens, food proteins, heavy metals, food chemical byproducts (salicylates, amines, oxylates, halides), non-food chemicals such as MSG, artificial colors, artificial preservatives, etc. imbalances in the gut develop. Foods which are mostly acid-forming, rather than alkaline-forming, cause ph disruptions in the blood, and the ph in the mouth and cells becomes too acidic. There are many natural and simple alternatives to improve gut health, thus dental health. Nutrient dense foods are most effective, imo.

Here's an old post of mine about addressing environmental allergens.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?p=13719101&highlight=hidden#\
post13719101
Here is a link with more information about eliminating airborne allergens:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?p=12748820&highlight=provent\
il#post12748820

Unfortunately, the cascade of gut imbalances is associated with "C-section
Syndrome": (ie. antibiotics at birth)
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=941070&highlight=detox+nur\
sing

Btw, on our site "Heal Thyself", if anyone wishes to post a thread about your gut healing, detox issues, food intolerance, candida, allergies, etc. There are many mamas who are very informed about all of this.
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/

I'm working on creating an ebook to summarize all of our research and
observations and experience. But, you can learn along with us!

A heated debate is the role of iodine in our diet related to hormonal balance
and the deficiencies associated with nutrients.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1091794


Hope that helps!


Pat

[sunshinestarr]

WuWei, that's an incredible amount of information. Not to go too OT but my DH has massive gut issues, and I really want to get to the bottom of it. Thanks!

[anomaly13]

I FINISHED!!! It has taken at least a week, with two little boys I don't have much free time that's not spent sleeping, lol.

After reading I am begining to think I may have some deficiencies, I have been pregnant and/or breastfeeding since October 2005 and plan on breastfeeding for at least another year and a half. DS1 has some decay on his teeth, I took him in last summer when I noticed it and of course they wanted to drill right away, it was traumatic for both of us and we left in tears. One of the teeth actually broke off at the decay and I have noticed a few new spots, light brown. The first decay I noticed was dark purple, I thought it was blueberry stain, but it has since lightened. Does that mean it is better or worse? It started when my milk dried up, he was 19 months, and I was pregnant. It happened right away, as soon as he was off the boob. I have a pretty good idea of what I need to do now, he has been vegan since birth and started eggs at about 2.5. I do have a few questions....

Are bones from grain fed cows ok for bone broth, and bones from conventional chickens too? Organic grass fed meat and organic free range chicken is too pricey for us right now so would conventional meat be ok or not worth it?

Why do we need a vit. c supplement, ds eats lots of fruit he should be covered right?

What are pastured eggs? Are cage-free/free roaming the same or ok? do they have to be organic/omega-3?

Can I make my own yogurt with L. reuteri in it? I have never made yogurt so tips/instructions/where to find such info would be great.

What are tissue salts? Where can I find more info on homeopathics/remedies?

We only use ro water, occationally I will cook some things with tap water if we are out of or low on ro water. Do I need to add minerals to our ro water? is that what trace minerals are? Any suggestions on a good brand or what to look for?

Thanks to all of you for sharing your advice and stories. I to will do the same as we move forward with trying to stop my ds1's teeth from getting any worse and keep ds2 free from dental problems.

Just a not about antibiotics, DS1 was delivered via emergency c-section so I was on bfing antibiotics for the first week or so of his life. I got mastisi bad with DS2 when he just a few weeks old and was put on antibiotics while I continued to bf. This thred has been eye opening in terms of how EVERYTHING is passed through bm, I always just assumed my body would weed out the bad stuff and only pass the good stuff, and somehow turn the bad stuff I consumed into good stuff. Makes me want to teach other mothers what I am just now learning, I guess everything does happen for a reason.

[hipsands]

our success in controlling decay with dietary/dental protocols, without invasive procedures *so far* (no fillings, no caps, no extractions):

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1109163