So glad Charlie won't be getting married... - Page 2

[mom2avasteph]

[QUOTE=DaddyJoe]That is so insane! Maybe you ladies should fight fire with fire when you are confronted with ignorance like that!

Doc: "I need to look in Charlie's diaper."
You: "What?! Are you GAY or something?!"
Doc: "No! Ma'am, I just need to see if he has a rash in there."
You: "Well, just don't touch his privates, you pervert. I've been warned about people like you."
Doc: "Did you know they didn't circumcise him? You should do that right away."
You: "Wow, you must be circumcised, poor man. Does it bother you that you're missing parts of your penis? My husband is long, thick and uncut and I love it. Do you have problems getting it up with half your penis missing?"
Doc: "Well, since you obviously hate men, you're probably just trying to make sure he nevers gets married."
You: "I love men... REAL men with foreskin, that is! Gosh, you're really jealous of my son's penis. Why are you so worried about my son's genitals? I'm sorry your parents chose to remove peices of your penis, but if you make one more comment about my son's sexual organs, I'm going to report you to the police as a possible sexual predator. Do you get so worked up about little girls' vaginas, too... or is it just penises?"
Then grab your child and back out of the room with a frightened look in your eyes. You don't really think someone so ignorant could be helpful, do you? When you get to the waiting room, Declare in a loud voice: "Oh my lord, that man is a sexual pervert! Don't let him near your sons! I'm never coming back to this deviant!"

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[kalisis]

s mama - how terrible for you. I'm sorry that you had to go through all that (I was angry when I read your post and even angrier after reading the full blog entry...argh, the nerve of some doctors).

[minkajane]

I could not read your blog and not reply. I have a few comments.

1. You are an AWESOME mom!
2. There's nothing wrong with having two moms. It just means twice the hugs!
3. Your son is ADORABLE and perfect the way he was born!
4. That allergist was absolutely out of line. He discriminated against you as a lesbian, you as a mom, your son as a patient, and your son as an intact male.
5. It was not his place to criticize your parenting decisions or your lifestyle decisions, whether they be regarding vaccination, circumcision, or your choice of partner.

I would be writing letters of complaint to him, his clinic, any hospitals he has privileges at, and whoever else I could think of. *hugs* I'm sorry you had to go through that!

[Slabobbin]

Originally Posted by DaddyJoe

That is so insane! Maybe you ladies should fight fire with fire when you are confronted with ignorance like that!

Doc: "I need to look in Charlie's diaper."
You: "What?! Are you GAY or something?!"
Doc: "No! Ma'am, I just need to see if he has a rash in there."
You: "Well, just don't touch his privates, you pervert. I've been warned about people like you."
Doc: "Did you know they didn't circumcise him? You should do that right away."
You: "Wow, you must be circumcised, poor man. Does it bother you that you're missing parts of your penis? My husband is long, thick and uncut and I love it. Do you have problems getting it up with half your penis missing?"
Doc: "Well, since you obviously hate men, you're probably just trying to make sure he nevers gets married."
You: "I love men... REAL men with foreskin, that is! Gosh, you're really jealous of my son's penis. Why are you so worried about my son's genitals? I'm sorry your parents chose to remove peices of your penis, but if you make one more comment about my son's sexual organs, I'm going to report you to the police as a possible sexual predator. Do you get so worked up about little girls' vaginas, too... or is it just penises?"
Then grab your child and back out of the room with a frightened look in your eyes. You don't really think someone so ignorant could be helpful, do you? When you get to the waiting room, Declare in a loud voice: "Oh my lord, that man is a sexual pervert! Don't let him near your sons! I'm never coming back to this deviant!"



Public humiliation is a powerful teaching tool. I am a restored man. When someone makes comments about circ, I am loud, proud and make sure they feel like the weird one. His comments were unbelievably biased, rude and ignorant. He tried to use his position as a doctor to push his medievil sexual ideas on you, and made completely inappropriate comments about your son's sexual organs. Why be polite? Saying things like that is just as prejudiced as using the N word. He should be embarassed. Maybe next time he'll keep his opinions to himself. Who knows? He might even give it some thought.

Second to the doctor's words in the OP this is about the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while.

What are you going to do to address this situation mama?

[PixelDust]

What an ignorant, homophobic thing to say. I've never understood the reasoning that says if you don't want to have sex with men, you hate them. I don't want to have sex with a pine cone either, and I like them just fine! It's like the people who will call a man gay if he says he is against sexism; he respects women, so he must be gay? Because sexual desire has to be tied up with hate or disgust? Grrr. Argh.

[splash]

Originally Posted by PixelDust

What an ignorant, homophobic jerk. I've never understood the reasoning that says if you don't want to have sex with men, you hate them. I don't want to have sex with a pine cone either, and I like them just fine! It's like the people who will call a man gay if he says he is against sexism; he respects women, so he must be gay? Because sexual desire has to be tied up with hate or disgust? Grrr. Argh.

A pine cone, eh?

I plan on writing a letter both to him, his practice, and the insurance company when things settle down a bit. In it I will include info on vaccine reactions (he said there is no such thing) as well as info on circumcision.

I fully respect a doctor's right not to treat me or my son for any reason (as long as it is not an emergency situation). But a simple "I don't want to do business with you" would have sufficed. I've had doctors and other people before tell me that they were uncomfortable with a two mom family and I am totally fine with that. But the way he went at it was wrong. And I AM pissed that he didn't treat Charlie. But oh well. Charlie's insurance changes on the first of Feb and it covers a wider range or doctors, with plenty of HIGHLY recommended allergists and dermatologists on it.

[calngavinsmom]

s Estelle. That guy was just plain mean You are lucky IMO to not have to deal with him anymore. You guys sure have been through a tough time lately....hopefully things will turn around soon.



Tara

[zak]

Oh, I'm so sorry. I read your blog too and saw the spotty pictures of your poor boy. That allergist was so awful to you. I'm so glad your pedi is so wonderful!!

Sending quick recovery vibes to you, the boy and Jean too!

[Unoppressed MAMA Q]

Originally Posted by DaddyJoe

That is so insane! Maybe you ladies should fight fire with fire when you are confronted with ignorance like that!

Doc: "I need to look in Charlie's diaper."
You: "What?! Are you GAY or something?!"
Doc: "No! Ma'am, I just need to see if he has a rash in there."
You: "Well, just don't touch his privates, you pervert. I've been warned about people like you."
Doc: "Did you know they didn't circumcise him? You should do that right away."
You: "Wow, you must be circumcised, poor man. Does it bother you that you're missing parts of your penis? My husband is long, thick and uncut and I love it. Do you have problems getting it up with half your penis missing?"
Doc: "Well, since you obviously hate men, you're probably just trying to make sure he nevers gets married."
You: "I love men... REAL men with foreskin, that is! Gosh, you're really jealous of my son's penis. Why are you so worried about my son's genitals? I'm sorry your parents chose to remove peices of your penis, but if you make one more comment about my son's sexual organs, I'm going to report you to the police as a possible sexual predator. Do you get so worked up about little girls' vaginas, too... or is it just penises?"
Then grab your child and back out of the room with a frightened look in your eyes. You don't really think someone so ignorant could be helpful, do you? When you get to the waiting room, Declare in a loud voice: "Oh my lord, that man is a sexual pervert! Don't let him near your sons! I'm never coming back to this deviant!"



Public humiliation is a powerful teaching tool. I am a restored man. When someone makes comments about circ, I am loud, proud and make sure they feel like the weird one. His comments were unbelievably biased, rude and ignorant. He tried to use his position as a doctor to push his medievil sexual ideas on you, and made completely inappropriate comments about your son's sexual organs. Why be polite? Saying things like that is just as prejudiced as using the N word. He should be embarassed. Maybe next time he'll keep his opinions to himself. Who knows? He might even give it some thought.

while i can relate to your frustration about the issue, i don't see how talking to anyone this way helps anything. not to mention, why the promote homophobia in any way?

[FrederickMama]

How awful.
I've been treated crappy when i was a single mom by so-called "professionals".
It sucks.
This man - if we have to call him that- should not be around children.
What an ignorant moron!

[DaddyJoe]

By couching a response in such terms, I think the shock might have made that ignorant doctor question WHY he was so preoccupied with a child's penis-- or at least think twice before suggesting the same to another mother. Politeness rarely stirs someone to question their preconceived notions. I'm not promoting homophobia by any means. It was meant more like a verbal slap than anything. Put an aggressive doctor on the defensive, in ideas that he understands.

When reading this thread, my wife's first response was, "Why would an ALLERGIST be interested in a child's foreskin?!!!" That was my own first revulsed thought. I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing that doctor's own homophobic prejudices in his face, or calling him to question on his strange sexual fetishes and psuedo-pedophilic urges.

Don't you think it's about time that our society make a man's privates "private"? Why is my or any man's foreskin up for public debate and in constant danger of removal? When do we get the same Constitutional protection that women have? Why should I have to tell my wife to write "No Circ" on my medical papers if I am injured and unable to sign for myself? Why should I have to educate my son so that he can protect my grandson's genital integrity at all times? It's pure insanity!

In my opinion, debating with him would have been useless. Psychological retalliation (by suggesting he has homosexual and pedophile tendencies to even be worried about Charlie's privates) would reverberate in his mind much longer and louder. Not to mention taunting him that his own esteemed circed penis is "not all that" (a low blow for sure, with such an arrogant male).

Pearls before swine, and all that!

[morning glory]

Just sick. As if you don't have enough to deal with. I can't believe he compromised the health of your child because of his own prejudice. Although it sounds like he is not the kind of person you'd want to leave your child's health in the hands of anyway. The allergist we saw did skin tests on DS when he was around 6 months old so I can't see why they wouldn't have done them for you.

If you have the strength in you to make life hard for him I say do it. If not forget the turd. And don't feel bad if you don't have it in you...you don't need to let him continue to make you hurt.

I know its not really the topic of this thread but what have you ruled out for the "rash" (seems like too weak of a word). And have you tried anything alternative? I our acupuncturist.

Good luck and try not to let a jerk like that take up too much of your time and energy.

Casey

[trmpetplaya]

Originally Posted by KBinSATX

So mutulating his male parts would prove your positive attitude towards males?

Wow, the nerve...
If I would have to guess I would say this guy has a clear case of foreskin envy...

:

What a terrible experience

Hey, she didn't say ALL rednecks are ignorant... half my family is rednecks and a good number of them are ignorant

love and peace.

[DaddyJoe]

I like to call it FORESKENVY

"Foreskenvy" a psychosexual side effect of circumcision in which a circumcised male is inappropriately preoccupied with the foreskins of intact males. The phenomenom is relatively harmless in most cases. However, if your physician is seen to exhibit signs of foreskenvy, we caution you to place both hands over private area and run for your foreskin!

[Frankly Speaking]

Originally Posted by trmpetplaya

Hey, she didn't say ALL rednecks are ignorant... half my family is rednecks and a good number of them are ignorant

Yeah, let's take it easy on rednecks. That may be ME! Rednecks don't realize that they are rednecks so, I may be one and not know it!



Frank

[trmpetplaya]

Originally Posted by Frankly Speaking

Yeah, let's take it easy on rednecks. That may be ME! Rednecks don't realize that they are rednecks so, I may be one and not know it!



Frank

I think you'd know it you don't sound like one at any rate none of the rednecks I know, know anything about circ except that it has to be done. Lots of intactivist work to be done in the grand state of GA (that means my family too... they'll flip when we have a boy...).

love and peace.

[paquerette]

Has redneck undergone a reclaimation of terminology movement? Sorry if I struck a raw nerve. I thought rednecks were, by definition, ignorant, misogynistic, and homophobic. At least that's how I classify the people I grew up around who have those tendencies.

[minkajane]

Originally Posted by DaddyJoe

I like to call it FORESKENVY

"Foreskenvy" a psychosexual side effect of circumcision in which a circumcised male is inappropriately preoccupied with the foreskins of intact males. The phenomenom is relatively harmless in most cases. However, if your physician is seen to exhibit signs of foreskenvy, we caution you to place both hands over private area and run for your foreskin!

[LadyMarmalade]

Originally Posted by DaddyJoe

I like to call it FORESKENVY

"Foreskenvy" a psychosexual side effect of circumcision in which a circumcised male is inappropriately preoccupied with the foreskins of intact males. The phenomenom is relatively harmless in most cases. However, if your physician is seen to exhibit signs of foreskenvy, we caution you to place both hands over private area and run for your foreskin!

Exactly!
Foreskin envy may also render a man incapable of acting older than 3 years old when he sees someone else with something that was taken away from him. He will insist that everyone else misses out too - because it's not fair his got taken away! He may not realise he wants it back, and will resort to bravado to disguise it.

[Frankly Speaking]

Originally Posted by paquerette

Has redneck undergone a reclaimation of terminology movement? Sorry if I struck a raw nerve. I thought rednecks were, by definition, ignorant, misogynistic, and homophobic. At least that's how I classify the people I grew up around who have those tendencies.

No, no, no! I was just kidding!

Actually the name "redneck" was a proud name in history. Dutiful farmers were out in their fields in the spring plowing and tending to their fields. As they were often looking down at the plowshare or hoe, even a wide brim hat wouldn't protect the back of their neck from the hot afternoon sun and just the back of their neck would get burned. Redneck was a name given to a hard working man providing for his family. In that day, farmers were the landed gentry of rural areas and most lived very good lives. My grandfather was a redneck. He was a profitable farmer with a successful business in town and a local politician. Being called a redneck wouldn't have insulted him at all.



Frank