Need Vaginal breech or turning info

[Kathryn]

I've got a aquantince that is 36 weeks pregnant with a little girl. It's her 5th baby, all born vaginally so far.
Her doctor said that he will do a vaginal breech, but would rather not (ie: lazy and more $$$ with c-section, IMO).


Ok, so this is the list I've got:

Yoga
Accupuncturist
Chiropractor
Massage
Belly inverted
bunch of links

[kerikadi]

Do you think she would see a chiropractor. She would need to find someone certified in the Webster technique. My chiro here in H town has helped turn many babyes

Keri

[JenMidwife]

You guys are on the right track moxabustion (if she can see an acupuncurist) & chiropractic both have very good success rates for turning breech.

Good luck & keep us posted.

[afishwithabike]

Here's a smart mama

Originally Posted by kerikadi

Do you think she would see a chiropractor. She would need to find someone certified in the Webster technique. My chiro here in H town has helped turn many babyes

Keri

This is what I was going to suggest. As well as laying on your back with your legs up on the couch/chair, with tummy slightly inverted. Yoga stretches are another good way to loosen up tendons and ligaments. Muscles will relax and presto baby has flipped into position.

[Jilian]

http://www.spinningbabies.com/index.html

This is a good site with some info on turning a breech baby. I've heard of several people having success with the "breech tilt" It is listed as #3 on how to turn a breech on the site. Good luck, I'm really happy to hear that the OB will deliver a vaginal breech, most here in FL will not.

[JanetF]

I'm getting very tired of breech being pathologised. Obviously breech babies can be born or evolution would have stopped producing them right? Some people feel there's sometimes an emotional aspect to breech as well and perhaps with so few women feeling safe in the hospy system that has become an issue. I don't know! Here are some resources to give all those friends being forced into surgery. Sigh.

www.aims.org.uk

Birthing a baby by the breech at home.
Beech B. AIMS Journal, Vol 14, No 2, 2002, p4-5

Coroner's inquiry into a breech delivery.
Beech B. AIMS Journal, Vol 14, No 2 2002 p19-20

Breech Presentation - Caesarean operation versus normal birth
Lowdon G. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p1-4

Natural, Active Breech Birth.
Lowdon G. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p5

Keep Your Hands off the Breech.
Cronk M. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3 1998, p6-8

Why are some babies breech?
Lowdon G. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p8-9.

Turning Point for the Breech?
Thomas P. AIMS Journal, Vol 10, No 3, 1998, p12-13

And this is the list of breech info I use
One midwife’s collection of breech turning info.
http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechcl.html

Attending a breech birth.
http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechbr.html

Turning a breech.
http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechtn.html

Book review on breech babies.
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/reviews/breech.asp

Ina May Gaskin on catching surprise breech babies!
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...isebreeches.asp

Homeopathy to turn babies in utero.
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/turnbaby.asp

A great site on moving breech babies.
http://www.spinningbabies.com

A Natural Breech Birth - hospital
http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBMarApr01p47.html

More than you could ever hope for from the UK midwives (I love these women!)
http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/breech.htm

About 500 birth stories with clear descriptions.
http://www.breechbabies.com/hospital_breech.htm

Make sure you visit~
http://www.spinningbabies.com/pregnancy.html

[Kathryn]

I'm pretty positive she'll see a chiro. My fears are that the baby will turn back since she's only 35 weeks.

[JenMidwife]

Originally Posted by Kathryn

I'm positive she will see a chiro. She loves them. One thing though, isn't it too early to be worried about this? I thought most turns were done around 38-40+ weeks? Won't the baby have a high chance of turning back around now?

Yes, the closer to term it's done, the more likely the babe will stay in a vertex position & not flip around again. The tricky thing is what if she goes in to labor before the treatment, what if the OB wants to schedule her for a c-section @ 38 weeks, etc. For this reason, I probably wouldn't wait until 40 weeks to try the treatment. Does that make sense?

Good luck!

[afishwithabike]

I wouldn't wait either. I also suggest if she would go get some massage therapy it would help out as well. MOst people are open to a massage anyhow.

[aprilushka]

Having already had vaginal births it seems particularly silly (esp if she wants more kids after this) to have a c/s just because of breech, esp if it is a frank or complete. I can understand the hesitation with footling, but even those are safe most of the time if the careprovider knows what he/she is doing and I know someone who just had a double footling breech in the hospital (they thought it was frank or complete until just before the baby came out). The real danger with breech is panicky and inexperienced careproviders. I would figure out just how much experience her doctor has with breech first of all, the fact that he says he does them probably means he has experience, so that's something.

The study that made c/s practically mandatory for breech here has always been questioned, and most recently in the journal for OBs themselves (and again, problems with the birth attendants seem to figure largely in the "danger" of breech birth)--

Five years to the term breech trial: The rise and fall of a randomized controlled trial.
American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology. 194(1):20-25, January 2006.
Glezerman, Marek MD

Abstract:
Objective: On the basis of the end points of neonatal morbidity and death, the authors of the term breech trial concluded unequivocally that cesarean delivery was safer for breech babies.

Study design: Analysis of the original and new data gives rise to serious concerns as far as study design, methods, and conclusions are concerned. In a substantial number of cases, there was a lack of adherence to the inclusion criteria. There was a large interinstitutional variation of standard of care; inadequate methods of antepartum and intrapartum fetal assessment were used, and a large proportion of women were recruited during active labor. In many instances of planned vaginal delivery, there was no attendance of a clinician with adequate expertise.

Results: Most cases of neonatal death and morbidity in the term breech trial cannot be attributed to the mode of delivery. Moreover, analysis of outcome after 2 years has shown no difference between vaginal and abdominal deliveries of breech babies.

Conclusion: The original term breech trial recommendations should be withdrawn.

[JenMidwife]

aprilushka, that's a great post. Thanks for posting the abstract of that article!