ugh! my sister is not even pregnant and plans to circ!

[scatterbrainedmom]

my sister is ttc and i sent her an e-mail about circ, including a lot of sites including the circ video. I don't think she even looked at any of the sites!

this is my email to her (it didn't pick up the links I gave her at the end):

I wanted to talk to you about a personal subject. I know you still don't know if you are preggo or not, but I wanted to put this out there for you to think about. I know you think I am weird, but this is a very important issue with me. Circumcision. It is not a necessary procedure, in fact it is considered cosmetic surgery and most insurance do not cover this surgical procedure. Before you make a decision either way (if you get pregnant with a boy, but personally I want another niece), I would like for you to take a look at a few sites.

Dad is not circ'd, did you know that? I found out after before ds2 was born. And having a boy look like his daddy is not a good excuse.

This is a lot, but I have them bookmarked and wanted to give you all the links I have. You don't have to look at them now, but please do if you have a boy. An informed decision is better than an un-informed decision.
a video of a circ
aap on circ
cirp
mothers against ric
nocirc
intact
Position Statement:,The Effects of Circumcision on Breastfeeding
Circumcision vs. Child Health

this is her responce:

hey,
thank you for your concern. but if i do have a boy i will get him circumcised, two reasons: one dh wants it and two circumcision is a symbol of the covanant with god. not that i am vey godly right now but i plan to be someday.anywayz i love you talk to you later


my first son is circ'd but my 2 youngest ds's are not. her only son is circ'd. so now I am hoping and praying if she is pregnant that it is a girl!!

[LeosMama]

Is she Jewish?

[gabysmom617]

I don't mean to nitpick...and please don't get upset with me for saying this, but: This phrase:

Originally Posted by sdurdin

....

And having a boy look like his daddy is not a good excuse......

may possibly have put her on the defensive especially since that was one of her reasons that she stated as to why she is having it done.

Perhaps if you present the "like father like son" nonsense argument to her in a slightly more delicate manner and perhaps expand a little bit on why it's not a good excuse, you could at least get her to thinking?

And also, I agree with the question: Is either she or her husband Jewish?

[KBinSATX]

I have to admit I am not very religious at all- but if I was I would think cutting off things off God's creation would be rather rude. Like: Hey thanks alot All-knowing, All-powerful Being but you made a little mistake here so I am going to correct it for you.
Seems a bit preposterous. If she is so religious perhaps you can point this out out to her?

I believe in God, only I spell it Nature
FLW

[scatterbrainedmom]

NO, she is just a wannabe christian. i say that because she changes what she stricly adhears to monthly. like halloween is evil one year and fine the next, stuff like that.

Is she Jewish?

[scatterbrainedmom]

the look like daddy part was also a link to that excuse. hmm, i hope i didn't put her on the defensive with that.

[IamCoupongirl]

Well, I applaud your efforts to educate her anyway. You know what they say....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. (and there's a much more insulting version that i think i'd be in trouble for posting...)

[zaftigmama]

Oooh - I want to know the more insulting version of leading a horse to water. Oh well.

The fact that her DH wants to is a problem. But, the good thing is you have a lot of time. Perhaps with enough data and enough information you can change her mind.

Before I had kids, I thought breastfeeding was gross. Luckily I did a lot of research. If it wasn't for mothering magazine and my firstborn was a boy he may have been circumcised.

Hopefully you'll be able to appeal to her senses and make her realize how un-necessary it is.

Good luck!

[IamCoupongirl]

ok, zaftig, i'll pm ya...i'm in enough trouble with the mods!

[KBinSATX]

Perhaps you could disguise your education efforts as a gift!
I was just reading through the book on Natural Pregnancy and Birth and it has info on all kinds of issues in addition to pregnancy and birth (including circumcision, etc.)
Let her read and discover by herself...

[scatterbrainedmom]

i would even get her a subscription to mothering if i thought she would read it. i have loads of books i could loan her. she just flat out WILL NOT look at anything. her dh is an idiot. he does ZIP to help her. she is a SAHM and on his days off they are his, it is his day off you know : . and on the days he works, well he is tired from working all day : . ugh! she will just shut down if she dosen't want to hear it.

[morning glory]

Well if DH is the boss on this situation why not go directly to him?

As for the "covenant with God business"...I know, I know, no religion...but this isn't mean or negative so I hope its okay...if she is a Christian (even ust a wanna be) circ goes against that. Its like saying "in your face Jesus...you dying for my sins wasn't enough".

You still have lots of time. I wouldn't be too forceful but don't let it drop just yet. And go ahead and tell her until she at least looks at the links and watches a video and is aware that she could cause her child permanent damage even to the extent of death you will not let this drop.

Casey

[ramlita]

(As I understand it, we can reference religion, just not debate about religion and circumcision...)

Here's a link to a collection of articles on the subject from the Circumcision Information Resource Page...
I haven't read many, but "What the Bible Really Says about RIC" gets into some detail.

http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/

I second the magazine subscription idea. Who on earth could have a magazine in their home and not read it?? Maybe that's just me.

[momnmidwife]

Originally Posted by morning glory

Its like saying "in your face Jesus...you dying for my sins wasn't enough".
Casey

Love that...totally agree...

I have a friend who is a nurse (and preg) and thinks intacts (like the elderly she's washed in nursing school) are just disgusting.

I SOOOO want to say, "all you have to do is change his diaper for him for a few years, after that you don't have to look at it, touch it, have sex with it...it's his not yours, who cares if you like it!"

She thinks girls will think he's gross...my response..."True love wouldn’t care... and in this day and age, in this single's market, women are not going to ditch a decent guy cause of the way his penis looks"...I am trying so hard to not obsess over this!

[AntoninBeGonin]

Originally Posted by IamCoupongirl

ok, zaftig, i'll pm ya...i'm in enough trouble with the mods!

Can you PM me too?!


~Nay

[Microsoap]

Originally Posted by sdurdin

my sister is ttc and i sent her an e-mail about circ, including a lot of sites including the circ video. I don't think she even looked at any of the sites!

this is my email to her (it didn't pick up the links I gave her at the end):

I wanted to talk to you about a personal subject. I know you still don't know if you are preggo or not, but I wanted to put this out there for you to think about. I know you think I am weird, but this is a very important issue with me. Circumcision. It is not a necessary procedure, in fact it is considered cosmetic surgery and most insurance do not cover this surgical procedure. Before you make a decision either way (if you get pregnant with a boy, but personally I want another niece), I would like for you to take a look at a few sites.

Dad is not circ'd, did you know that? I found out after before ds2 was born. And having a boy look like his daddy is not a good excuse.

This is a lot, but I have them bookmarked and wanted to give you all the links I have. You don't have to look at them now, but please do if you have a boy. An informed decision is better than an un-informed decision.
a video of a circ
aap on circ
cirp
mothers against ric
nocirc
intact
Position Statement:,The Effects of Circumcision on Breastfeeding
Circumcision vs. Child Health

this is her responce:

hey,
thank you for your concern. but if i do have a boy i will get him circumcised, two reasons: one dh wants it and two circumcision is a symbol of the covanant with god. not that i am vey godly right now but i plan to be someday.anywayz i love you talk to you later


my first son is circ'd but my 2 youngest ds's are not. her only son is circ'd. so now I am hoping and praying if she is pregnant that it is a girl!!

CatholicsAgainstCircumcision.org
http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/
Catholics Against Circumcision

I know she's not Catholic, but there seems to be this myth out there that Catholic-Americans should and do circumcise, which is NOT true!

Hope you get through to her!

[LeosMama]

Jesus brought a new convenant. He said that "in me, the law of circumcision is done away with." A man's righteousness and devotion to God and Jesus was judged by his actions and faith, not by his penis. If he was already cut and came to Jesus, that was fine, but a newcomer, be he babe or man, was not to be circumcized.

Circumcising goes DIRECTLY AGAINST Christ's commands and guidance. It is antithetical to Christianity: compassion, love, trust, faith. "Suffer the little children" doesn't mean you should make them suffer, it means you should be patient and loving to them and treat them the way you would treat the Christ-child if He were born into your family.

[Galatea]

Yep, Jesus dying for our sins was the new covenant. In every other country besides the US, Christians definitely DO NOT circumcise, and think it is crazy that Christians here do. So maybe she should learn a little about Christianity before she pretends to be one.

[scatterbrainedmom]

So maybe she should learn a little about Christianity before she pretends to be one.

I totally agree!! we have different moms and her mother is the same way. she always swore she would never be like that and she is WORSE. I am religious, but I don't pretend (yes, seh pretends )to go to church every sunday. I just don't understand her at all.

[Pandora114]

yup, circing because your Christian is like going

"Hey Jesus, Your suffering on the cross means jack to me, I really dont think it meant much ya know? So I'll just go and do this and make it all better"

///not religious
///FSM all the way
/////My holy communion involves marinara,meatballs and semolina noodles
///////but I really cant stand hypocrites of any stripe.