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post #1 of 14
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Greetings fellow intactivists! I know that i should really be posting a greeting in the introduce yourselves thread, but after lurking and reading posts from the last few days, this area of the boards is where i find myself drawn to, time and time again.

I am happy to tell you that my 9 year old son is, indeed, intact and it wasn't easy to convince others to let him remain just as Mother Nature intended him to be. From what i have read from the posts that i am not alone in this struggle (i am saddened that there is such a struggle, but i am glad that there is now a place that I, too, can go to ask questions, rant, or commiserate)

I first learned about circumsision when i was a young teen and snooping through my younger brother's baby book and found a pamphlet on the care of a circ'd penis, at the time i had thought it odd to have that in there (and still do) and also had thought that only men of the Jewish faith had it done. Well, the thought was then put in my head that circ was "normal". Then as an older teen, i was placed in a foster home, and my foster family had 2 little boys. My foster mom would let the boys run around the livingroom without their towels on after baths. I asked her what was "wrong" with their penises. She told me that nothing was "wrong" with them, they were uncirc'd. She went on to tell that she had researched it, found it horrible, and told my fosterdad to leave they boys be. In exchange for leaving them intact, my fosterdad got to pick out all the names for the boys and that was fair enough for her (although they weren't her first choices, they were still good names) So her reasoning stuck in my head (as well as other parenting methods)

When i became Pregnant, my fiance' (at that time) and i had the internet (back in 1996) and i was able to do some research on circ. At that point i had been rather neutral, except that my baby's father had been circ'd and he ended up with a skin bridge that at times made relations painful for him, and that made me start thinking that pehaps if the baby was a boy, that i shouldn't circ. With the hours i spent researching and looking at pictures, reading about botched circ's, the thing that "got" me the most was watching a video of a baby strapped down, screaming until he was out of voice and breath, and seeing that poor boy's penis raw and bleeding made me immediately vomit. (I have gone to some of the links that posters have put on here and actually found the SAME video, and I still came close to vomitting) After that I TOLD my baby's father that if we had a boy, he was NOT getting circ'd. At least he was not going to fight me on it, but my parents and my doctor were harder to fight, my doctor! oy! After i had my son, every single time he came to check on us, he tried to convince me to let him take my son and cut him! NO WAY!!! needless to say, many years later and many docs later, we still have issues.

I am now happily engaged (again, to a different man than son's father) to a wonderful man who was born and raised in England and is intact. He is great for when i ask him questions about his foreskin, in fact, i believe he thinks it a bit funny that i ask him these sort of questions and bounce "new" facts off of him. Usually the "new" facts get a "well DUH!!" answer. Like that other day when i asked him, "did you know that a man's foreskin has X amount of nerve endings, comprising something like 1/3 or 1/2 of the nerve endings in his penis?" he said, LOL, "well DUH!!" I had always thought that the foreskin was a flap of regular skin that protected the most sensitive part, and that was why it was so important, LOL, i learn new things all the time!

As i am learning new things all the time, i do have some questions for all of you knowlegeble intactivists (i love that word): Am i doing thing wrong when i teach/tell my son to pull back his skin and wash himself while he is in the shower? I don't have him use soap, just water and his hand. when he was a baby, i would gently push back the skin, never focing it-OUCH!, but would clean it with a wipe, especially if he had a messy bm. Have i desensitized him with washing this way? He doesn't complain about it hurting, and is very good about washing with reminders. Eep! I am worried!

Thank you for reading all this and i look foward to great conversations on this board!

Karin
post #2 of 14
Greetings to a fellow Iowan! I, too, left my sons intact, and they are now grown. No regrets here. It's good to meet a fellow intactivist from Iowa. We are few and far between.
As far as the cleaning issue is concerned, what you learned and did is exactly what I learned and did. Unfortunately, the advice we were given is dated. :
The new recommendation, which you WON'T find from any doctor or nurse in Iowa, is to wash the foreskin like a finger; don't retract it at all. When he gets older and is retractable, then you can have him pull the foreskin back in the shower and rinse it off with water. Whether or not to use soap can be left up to your son. Some men/boys find it necessary, others don't. Some men find that soap is irritating, so they just use water. Your ds can find out for himself what is or is not necessary. Edited to add: a man posted here that soap was irritating to him, but liquid body wash wasn't.
Congratulations to you for leaving your ds intact at a time and place when almost no one did!
post #3 of 14
Great info, njeb! I've noticed we're getting a lot of Iowans here in the last few days. Are you guys planning on ganging up on the rest of us or are you just going to organize a coffee klatch?

Lizzardbits, when I saw your screen name, it reminded me of an old GF. Her name was Elizabeth and one of our friends called her "Lizzard Breath." I think he was just jealous that I was with her and not him.

You do not need to worry about desensitizing your son. At this point, it appears that his foreskin is easily retractible and he will do himself no harm. Occasionally, when boys first retract, the glans is so sensitive that just exposure to air or water will sting. It's similar to many women reporting stinging or burning with their first few sexual experiences. Not only is it OK to desensitize it this way, that level of desensitation is needed at some point in his life.

Just put that worry out of your head!



Frank
post #4 of 14
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*wipes brow and sighs relief* Whew! ok..good to know that he's ok.

LOL, Frank, Lizzardbits comes from a nickname that my younger brother called me when he was making fun of my middle name, Lizbet. Lizzardbits has stuck.

well, it is also good to know that cleaning guidelines have changed as well. I will definately use that info if my future hubby and i have a son (in about a year or 2, lol)
post #5 of 14
Welcome! So glad to have you here!
post #6 of 14
Wow!! I grew up in Iowa! I wish I had the internet and better resources when my first son was born 10 years ago. It seems Iowa still has an insanely high circ rate.

I am now in Cali with 2 intact sons.

Welcome.

What part of Iowa are ya'll from if you dont mind me asking?
I grew up by Sioux City.
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Originally Posted by momto3boys
Wow!! I grew up in Iowa! I wish I had the internet and better resources when my first son was born 10 years ago. It seems Iowa still has an insanely high circ rate.

I am now in Cali with 2 intact sons.

Welcome.

What part of Iowa are ya'll from if you dont mind me asking?
I grew up by Sioux City.
I'm from NE Iowa originally, but now live near Iowa City. Did you have your first ds in Iowa?
post #8 of 14
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i am in Kalona, just southwest of Iowa City!!!! but I grew up in and around Sioux Falls SD and my son was born in SFSD.

My foster mom had her first son in 1988 in Cali, and i think she didn't have much probs with not circ'ing, but second son was born in Minnesota in 90 and if i recall right had A LOT of diffuculties with arguing against circ'ing 2nd son..

I can't speak for all midwesterners, but it sounds to me that a lot of circ'ing is done around here and as someone's sig says about my son and lockerrooms that he will be different--GLORIOUSLY different!
post #9 of 14
Hi to you Iowans! I'm not far away, just over the river in IL from Davenport/Bettendorf, IA. The circ rates are horrible here too. I've always heard that the midwest brings up the rear in all national trends, and that seems the be the case with circ too.
post #10 of 14
HI Karin! So glad to see you made it over here from that other must-circ, bottlefeed, and vax site. Though it's still nice to have someone help me in "breastfeeding nazi" area ... I still don't get why they must label us as that... maybe because they feel guilty? Anyway, great to have you here
post #11 of 14
Hi Karin, welcome to the conversation. It's so nice to hear that something positive came out of a foster home situation. I'm blessing that woman and wondering if she will ever know the ripples in the pond she created by letting her sons go for (what we call in my family) "bare bum runs"---one of the joys of childhood.
Baybee
post #12 of 14
Welcome! Nice to have you here with us!
post #13 of 14
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thanks! but a very special thanks to Kannon, she showed me the way here! i find myself slightly addicted to MDC and i have a feeling that the addiction will get "worse" LOL
post #14 of 14
Thanks for joining our group!

~Nay
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