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post #1 of 20
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It took me two years to restore my foreskin. It's basically "done" though I am still doing some manual stretches in the evening to try to get about an inch of overhang... my intact relatives looked like that, so that to me is how a natural penis is supposed to look.

My wife's first reaction when she found out I was restoring was "ewww!" But since she started reaping the benefits, she has been nothing but supportive. Although she's not quite the intactivist I am, she now admits she was wrong, and tells me that she finds it super sexy and that it feels very much better than anything she ever experienced in the past.

When I started doing this, I really had no idea the changes would be so dramatic. My main motivation was to make it look like my uncles, cousins, grampa... because I always knew they were normal and mine was unnatural. I knew it.

What I didn't know was this:

I didn't know that sex would become an effortless expression of love and desire. That I would not have to worry about getting it up, keeping it up, or finishing too soon. That I would no longer gauge my desire by how close to ripping the skin felt.

I didn't know that slipping into her would feel like silk and a warm kiss. That I would feel her body in such detail that it became one with my own. That sex could be gentle and relaxing.

I didn't know that the race was just as good as the finish. That I could feel ecstasy to the point that I blacked out. That it could feel so good and last so long and that it was everything they talk about in romance books... becoming one, melting, surrendering, waves of pleasure rushing through my body.

I didn't know that I would fall in love with my wife. I didn't know that I could feel so close, so intimate, with her... that I would know how she felt and know what she meant... that I would die for her. I didn't feel that before. Not with such fierceness. There was a wall between us, a chasm, because she was whole and I was not.

I didn't know that I would become a romantic. That I would sing to her. That I would try to buy her anything she wanted. That I would do anything to make her happy, because her body gives me such pleasure and fulfillment. Because the discontent is gone, because the resentment is gone, I am at ease with her. I am light-hearted and silly.

I didn't know that it would feel good all the time, that sitting, walking, working, watching TV would be a pleasure... that I would feel my glans cradled in the warmth of its prepuce even when I wasn't trying to feel it. It's no wonder intact men have that twinkle in their eye, that warm happy look on their face... you can see it, I swear. You just have to know what you're looking for. It's like a happy secret.

I didn't know that I would be so complete...
post #2 of 20
Wow! That was very eloquent, DaddyJoe.

I'm going to have my dh read your post. Then he'll know what he's missing out on. I think that he'll believe it more coming from another man than from a woman. After all, I don't have his parts.

Thank you again for posting this.
post #3 of 20
Wow. Some good posts you have written, joe.
post #4 of 20
Okay DaddyJoe, you almost made me cry. That was beautiful. I have one question though, with regards to this part of your post
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Originally Posted by DaddyJoe
That I would not have to worry about getting it up, keeping it up, or finishing too soon.
I am specifically wondering about the "finishing too soon". I had always thought that a circumcised penis took longer to achieve orgasm? My DH is I guess what we could call "oversensitive" and I've wondered if it had to do with his circumcision but I never seemed to find info related to "too soon", it was always "takes too long".
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by njeb
I'm going to have my dh read your post. Then he'll know what he's missing out on.
I was just wondering why you would want your dh to know what he was missing out on--unless you think he would decide to restore his foreskin too? I think it would be sad for him to know, and it's not like you are trying to convince him to not circ your children--your sig says they are adults.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by njeb
Wow! I'm going to have my dh read your post. Then he'll know what he's missing out on. I think that he'll believe it more coming from another man than from a woman. After all, I don't have his parts.

Thank you again for posting this.


I understand what these posts purpose are, so I don't knock them at all. I also know about the other side of it.

However this quote made me think, Why would you want your partner to believe he is broken? I am a circumsized man, if my partner ever told me that I wasn't good enough for them in bed because i was lacking a forskin then I would feel crushed.....

In fact, just in the last few weeks I have been reading these boards I have begun to feel as though something is wrong with me. Before these boards I felt there was nothing wrong with me being circumsized and now I am unsure of myself. If my partner tried to tell me there was something wrong with me then.... wow.....

It would not go over well.

I know you are a woman and probably are only thinking of 'how much better a good thing can be' but on the other hand.... what if someone said 'See baby, if you were skinny you would be so much hotter' I know, bad comarison but it is the same heart. 'There is something wrong with you, would you mind fixing it.... for me?'

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents out there, unless of course your hubby has already expressed a possible interest in reconstructing his forskin and you have the green light to point him to any threads that say it is worthwhile, then that is a TOTALLY different situation.

I am not in your situation, just thought I would put my 2 cents on how I would feel if my DP came to me with that statement though.
post #7 of 20
Yoshua and janellesmommy, I have brought up foreskin restoration with my dh before, and he's starting to express an interest in it. You have, however, made me have second thoughts about showing this to him. I'll have to rethink this one.
That's what I get for posting before my coffee's completely kicked in!
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by TechnoGranola
Okay DaddyJoe, you almost made me cry. That was beautiful. I have one question though, with regards to this part of your post

I am specifically wondering about the "finishing too soon". I had always thought that a circumcised penis took longer to achieve orgasm? My DH is I guess what we could call "oversensitive" and I've wondered if it had to do with his circumcision but I never seemed to find info related to "too soon", it was always "takes too long".
From my time spent on this and other intactivist and restoring forums, what I have gathered is this: MOST men have a problem with taking too long to orgasm. A FEW men have a problem with going too fast. My belief is that, for most men, circumcision reduces sensitivity, making it more difficult to reach orgasm. For others, it actually damages the "trigger". My penis, before restoring, had two modes: limp and almost there. To be able to even feel anything, I had to go fast and rough. If I didn't, I would lose my erection. The catch was that I tended to fire off way too soon. The ability to feel pleasure in making love slow and gentle has had the bonus effect of giving me the ability to control when I want to finish. If your husband is tightly cut with a highly damaged or missing frenelum, then he's probably like I used to be.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by DaddyJoe
For others, it actually damages the "trigger". My penis, before restoring, had two modes: limp and almost there. To be able to even feel anything, I had to go fast and rough. If I didn't, I would lose my erection. The catch was that I tended to fire off way too soon. The ability to feel pleasure in making love slow and gentle has had the bonus effect of giving me the ability to control when I want to finish. If your husband is tightly cut with a highly damaged or missing frenelum, then he's probably like I used to be.
Thanks for the information. I see a few differences with DH and you. For example, slow and gentle with minimal movement works well for him (and me) but it's not like he can do this for any great length of time. He's never been rough or fast. The similarity is that he also doesn't seem to be able to control when he finishes BUT we have found that if he lets me know along the way where he is, we can slow things down or wait a bit as to not have things end in a hurry. If he waits to long to tell me, he's already at the point of no return.
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Originally Posted by DaddyJoe
If your husband is tightly cut with a highly damaged or missing frenelum, then he's probably like I used to be.
How could I tell this? His is the only penis I currently look at it, so I don't have any others to compare it to. I'd be especially interested to find out if he has a missing frenulum.

ETA: I found some pics of the frenulum on the net. Of course now I can't recall if I've seen that on DH. I will be taking a look.

Ugh, I also found some circ pics on this page http://www.circlist.com/styles/nicecuts.html and DH definitely has that line like in the first pic, but the line is actually very dark with somewhat lighter skin closer to his body and even lighter skin above the line (closer to the head). I'm pretty sure I recall that the line is further down than that though when he's erect (that would mean he had a tighter circ than the guy in the pic?). DH and I have actually been discussing that line for awhile now, wondering what it was. How stupid that they wouldn't teach boys that it's FROM THEIR CIRCUMCISION!!

Geez, the more I learn the madder I am at his mother. I want to go kick her butt for doing this to DH.
post #10 of 20
i got goosebumps reading this!
post #11 of 20
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The frenelum is the ropy tendrils of skin that come down from the glans on the bottom side of the shaft. Sometimes there is just one or two, sometimes several fanning out. The frenelum is highly sensitive, much like the clitoris, and has the duty of tethering the foreskin to the head so that it covers the glans more tightly when flaccid. I have one intact strand and several clumps where it was ripped away. They had no sensitivity until I restored, except for a dime-sized spot on the c-scar, but are very sensitive now. Without a frenelum, all sexual sensation is in the glans-- mainly the coronal ridge of the head. I don't know if that's what causes the hair-trigger some circed men have compared to the norm, but that seems to be what caused it for myself.
post #12 of 20
Thanks DaddyJoe. I probably have a zillion more questions, but I won't highjack your thread any longer, I'll post a new thread when I have some time to get my thoughts together.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions.
post #13 of 20
DaddyJoe--How beautiful...! All of that is what I want for my DH. I have often felt that there was such a difference between is in timing, etc....he was/is on the other part of the spectrum. So many times it takes him TOO long. That is when it is difficult for me. It isn't always like that, but somewhat. DH here has looked through some of the websites I have saved and now says he wants to restore...he thinks logically that "it makes sense" what circ did to him, and that he wants me to be happy. I am worried that he is doing it because of me. Sigh...KWIM? I mean, it is easy for me to say it is the obvious choice as I have read SO MUCH on the subject.

I do think that him restoring would have an impact on my experience, but I think (obviously) the most dramatic impact would be on his (rightly so!). I think he has a looser circ (won't call it loose) but I can move some of the skin onto the head when it is firm, it definitely appearst that the entire frenulum is gone.
post #14 of 20
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Hey, Christy,

I sent you my email address in case your husband would like to talk to me about restoring.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by DaddyJoe
I didn't know that the race was just as good as the finish.
This was me! Everything leading up to the orgasm was the price to be paid for the orgasm. It was so exciting, it was just as easy to go to sleep. NO MORE! I actually went to sleep during oral sex often before restoration. Just couldn't help it. It was insulting to my lovers, I can understand that. After restoration, I couldn't go to sleep if I wanted to.


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Originally Posted by janellesmommy
I was just wondering why you would want your dh to know what he was missing out on--unless you think he would decide to restore his foreskin too? I think it would be sad for him to know, and it's not like you are trying to convince him to not circ your children--your sig says they are adults.
I think it would be sad that a partner would hide something this exquisite. I hope my partner would tell me about something like this and not hide it from me. Hiding a benefit from your life partner is not what the partnership is all about.


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Originally Posted by DaddyJoe
MOST men have a problem with taking too long to orgasm. A FEW men have a problem with going too fast. My belief is that, for most men, circumcision reduces sensitivity, making it more difficult to reach orgasm. For others, it actually damages the "trigger".
Joe, I have a little bit different theory. That's not to discount yours but to propose another possibility.

I have always thought that the brain is the primary sex organ. That's why if you find a woman very unattractive, you'll just go home alone but if you find her extremely attractive, you'll make a complete fool of yourself. I know when I was in my teens, I had times when I had my orgasm just trying to find the target. I never even got in the door! That certainly had nothing to do with sensitivity. Even now in my advanced years (cough!) the first time with a woman that I find extremely attractive, I'm going to be really quick. But, on the other hand, as we age and in a long term relationship, that sensitivity becomes very important and without it, it becomes very difficult to even reach orgasm.


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Originally Posted by TechnoGranola
The similarity is that he also doesn't seem to be able to control when he finishes BUT we have found that if he lets me know along the way where he is, we can slow things down or wait a bit as to not have things end in a hurry. If he waits to long to tell me, he's already at the point of no return.
My experience has been that restoration restored a type of sensitivity that I had never experienced before. It allowed me to experience a type of sensation that did not lead to orgasm and I had advance warning of an approaching orgasm in time to slightly change the cadence or motion in order to avoid the orgasm until I wanted it. I actually enjoyed the new sensations so much that I wanted to delay the orgasm instead of rushing to achieve it.


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Originally Posted by Phatchristy
I am worried that he is doing it because of me. Sigh...KWIM?
Does it really matter if he's doing it for you or him? You're both going to benefit from it so, if he gets and unintended benefit, won't he be happy and appreciate that you brought the idea to him?



Frank
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by Frankly Speaking
I think it would be sad that a partner would hide something this exquisite. I hope my partner would tell me about something like this and not hide it from me. Hiding a benefit from your life partner is not what the partnership is all about.
Frank
Thank you, Frank. I've been criticized before for wanting to bring up the subject of restoration with my dh, but didn't know how to defend myself. I want him to enjoy sex as much as I do. It's sad to think that some of the problems he's had have been blamed on aging, when being circ'ed is the real culprit. If there's a way to undo some of the damage that's been done, isn't it a loving wife's duty to let him know about it?
post #17 of 20
I just wish somebody had told me about it 30 years earlier than when I found it for myself. Of course, I was primed for the information long before that and I would have eagerly devoured it. I realize many men are not though.

Like Joe, I will gladly communicate with any man my experiences via e-mail, PM or telephone.



Frank
post #18 of 20
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I think every woman here should take up restoration with her husband. Just tell him, "I was reading this story by a guy who restored his foreskin. He said that it really made sex alot more pleasurable and satisfying for him. You should look into foreskin restoration. I'd love for you to feel as good as I do when we make love!" If you approach it that way, how could he take offense? You just want him to be as happy as you are! (You could go into your benefits later, after he has warmed to the idea)
post #19 of 20
I can relate to the men who wish they had known about restoring years before they found out. I found an amazing bra about a year ago that, in French, is called a "Soutien Gorge" --throat support. When I put it on, that was my first thought, "Where was this thirty years ago?" I'm glad I have it now but I sure would have loved to have it all my young life and I think it would have made a huge difference to my posture and fitness because both improved dramatically once I found it. By not sharing about things we know could make a difference for people, we rip them off. Sometimes it's embarrassing because it's not always a "Yes" the first time. Many people have to say "no" three times at least before they can utter the word "Yes".

I think that all the men who have the courage and mind of service to share about their restoring efforts will be one of the strongest arguments for ending circ sooner not later. You just can't argue with their experience. As they say on the restore boards "Keep on Tugging" and, I say, keep on sharing.
Baybee
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by DaddyJoe
"I'd love for you to feel as good as I do when we make love!"
This rings a chord with me. From my observations of my lovers during sex, I always thought they got way, way more out of it than men did. I always thought men got cheated in the sexual pleasure department and I was jealous. I always thought it would be interesting to be female just long enough to experience that same level of intense pleasure once. Now that I'm restored, I imagine that intact men do experience that same level. I've come close to it and from what I've read in postings, if I had that extra 25%, it would be at least what I saw my lovers experience. I often wish that I had the parts to experience it.



Frank
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