unvax kids putting immune compromised folks at riks?

[chlobo]

I see this talked about all the time in reference to vaxxing. One should vaccinate so as not to put immune compromised folks at additional risk. do kids who are vaccinated really *not* spread disease? If they get an illness they were vaxed against can't they still transmit it? Also, aren't there cases where the live vaccine can shed, thus putting immune compromised folks at risk? Isn't it true that FluMist, which is frequently administered in Grocery Stores (yuck) can shed up to 2 weeks thus infecting anyone the person comes in contact with and no one ever tells the vax recipient this? It's made to sound like non vaxed kids are the only ones spreading disease out there.

What are your thoughts?

In my mind this just doesn't make much sense.

[DoubleOven]

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[InfoisPower]

It isn't supposed to make sense. It's propaganda. The more often it's repeated the more people believe it, there is no sense or thought involved.

[mommaduck]

Uh, my unvax'd child cannot put another at risk if they are not carrying said viruses. However, we all know that vax'd children ARE carrying said viruses.

I called my SIL and asked her to inform me whenever the neices and nephews are vax'd so that we can avoid them during that time.

[supercrunch]

does anyone have any links about immunocompromised people and vaccines? I am honestly curious as I recently started taking immunosuppressants (mercaptopurine).

I am wondering if I would be at risk for catching one of the viruses if my ds should get any vaccinations while I am on this drug for the next few years.

[wednesday]

Just throw the "vaxed children get the illnesses less severely" argument right back in their face. Vaxed children can become infected with a disease and infect others without ever appearing sick.

Taken from a Pediatrics article by a pro-vax MD:

Pertussis vaccines tend to modify duration and severity of disease rather than completely prevent illness link

That statement is made in support of this doctor's overall position (stated in this article as well as others he has written) that pertussis vaccines merely reduce manifestation of symptoms, but do not reduce circulation of pertussis in the population as a whole.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by grace474

does anyone have any links about immunocompromised people and vaccines? I am honestly curious as I recently started taking immunosuppressants (mercaptopurine).

I am wondering if I would be at risk for catching one of the viruses if my ds should get any vaccinations while I am on this drug for the next few years.

Well, I found this

Other medical problems—The presence of other medical problems may affect the use of mercaptopurine. Make sure you tell your doctor if you have any other medical problems, especially:
Chickenpox (including recent exposure) or Herpes zoster (shingles)—Risk of severe disease affecting other parts of the body

From that I infer that your child should not be vaccinated with the CP (or probably any other live) vaccine.

[chlobo]

Obviously, I think that everyone needs to use common sense when someone with a compromised immune system is in the picture.

Ok. This is the part I have the real problem with. Of course this makes sense. However, most immune compromised people do not wear signs stating that they are compromised. And I'll bet the folks who get FluMist are unaware that they have the potential to shed. Therefore, how do you even know you are around someone who is immune compromised? And what business do they have dispensing a shedding vaccine around all those people and all that food? Its just disgusting.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by chlobo

And what business do they have dispensing a shedding vaccine around all those people and all that food? Its just disgusting.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

I don't wear a sign saying I'm immunocompromised, but because I know enough about minerals and nutrition to at least make sure my cellular immune system works okay, I don't give a toss about what I come in contact with.

I'm actually far more at risk for second hand cigarette smoke then milder infections....

[Tori Gollihugh]

Right-O on the quote I included!

As a personal note/story... my DD is NOTvaxed and my niece is. She is practically a Typhoid Mary!!! I SWEAR to you... she had a barf bug at one point (while I was still babysitting her) so of course my whole family got it, hubbie out of work and everything... and the niece got better. My Mom watched her after she'd been "well" for 2-3 days and HER whole household was sick two days later (the incubation for that particular bug). I don't know that the incident I'm sharing has ANYthing to do with vaxes, but who knows! All I know is that while I was babysitting that girl (my niece) my DD and I got sick FOUR times in four and a half months!!!! So, needless to say we don't have her over anymore. My UNvaxed girl never got HER sick... but she, supposedly protected has been sick often AND made my whole family sick!!!! ARGH!!! :

Originally Posted by DoubleOven

Just more b.s. to try to make parents feel like they should vax - not only will your own kid get sick, but s/he'll make sick people even sicker.

Obviously, I think that everyone needs to use common sense when someone with a compromised immune system is in the picture.

But to just finger point and place blame on unvaxed people is wrong, and it endangers sick people by making them believe they're safe around people who've been recently vaxed.

[dingogirl]

One should vaccinate so as not to put immune compromised folks at additional risk.

and people should never leave the house if they have a cold, because they are putting the immunocompromised at risk as well.

[wednesday]

Originally Posted by dingogirl

and people should never leave the house if they have a cold, because they are putting the immunocompromised at risk as well.

That's a good point. There's what, ten or so so-called VPDs? And like a zillion strains of various viruses there aren't vaccines for? I'd say the onus is more on the immunocompromised to protect themselves.

[Smithie]

An unvaxed girl in my high school got measles (all the kids in her family did, one almost died, it was awful) and because of the makeup of our community they managed to expose a lot of unvaxed little kids and old people. But nobody else got it, the old people probably had natural immunity and the babies just got lucky. Really, the fuss was disproportionate to the actual result - although I suppose I wouldn't be saying that if a baby had gotten sick.