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post #1 of 18
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My sister is having an elective c/s in a few weeks. The c-section is actually necessary in her case (uterine anomaly), but I am DREADING visiting her in the hospital, for a number of reasons. I was there at the same hospital when she had her first (also by c/s, this time emergency) a couple of years ago, but I knew absolutely nothing about birth at the time. Here's the run down of what I can expect:

1) The hospital does not encourage rooming-in, and my sister doesn't want to anyway; she likes to "get her rest". I hate seeing those baby nurseries--with 15 or 20 babies in bright light, being bathed, pricked, and tested by a couple of nurses.
2) Baby will have all the standard interventions after birth, including a hospital circ.
3) With her first baby, she was given lousy bfing advice--baby was given lots of supplements in the nursery, used a paci early on, etc.--and then complained a lot about "difficulty" bfing; she bf for three months, much of it by pumping due to latch problems, then weaned b/c her ped said there were "no real benefits to bfing after 3 months".

I try very hard not to be judgmental of my sister in person--her parenting is VERY different than what mine will be, but I don't openly criticize her choices. A little background: she is 7 years older than me, and, despite the fact that I thoroughly research all of my choices (and she really doesn't), she thinks of me, consciously or not, as "the baby" of the family and is very bossy/opinionated about MY decisions. In some ways, this is just her personality--she's bossy and opinionated in general (but a lovely person otherwise! )

I want to be there for her, but given that I'm planning on having a babe in a few months, I'm really anxious about even setting foot in this hospital environment again and watching things that I personally find really worrisome for the babies.

So...what should I do? The c/s is on a Thursday, so I don't know when she'll be out of the hospital. If I delay a visit too long, I'll only have a day or so to meet my new nephew. OTOH, I really don't know if I want all this ickiness in my head as I prepare for my own baby. Thinking about it is already weighing on my mind--not sure if the actual event will magnify or provide closure for my concerns.

Any advice is much appreciated. Thanks!
post #2 of 18
Silly question, why do you have to visit them in the hospital? In their own home might be easier on you.

Although, if you went to visit in the hospital, you could extend the amount of time he was out of the nursery. That would be good too.

Sorry, I've got nothing.
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan
Silly question, why do you have to visit them in the hospital? In their own home might be easier on you.
The issue is time/distance. We moved in July, so we now live a 5-hour drive away from her. The c/s is on a Thursday, and I can go up Thursday night/Friday morning and stay through Sunday evening. If I wait until she's out of the hospital (it was 3 days last time), I'll probably only have a day to see her/baby before I have to go back home. And, because I can only get home once every couple of months of so, I'd obviously like to spend time not only with her and the new baby, but also my BIL, my parents, and my other sister. They will all be at the hospital. They certainly won't understand my discomfort with being there.
post #4 of 18
I don't know if this is helpful to you at all or not, but I usually try to use these situations to remind myself why I want to do things differently. It makes me more stubborn in my homebirthin' goals to see/hear what the hospital would want to do to me and especially to the baby.

I think that you really cannot get out of going to the hospital to see them. I'm sorry that this will be hard on you.

Good luck!
Mel
post #5 of 18
Concentrate on how cute your new nephew is. Don't change his diaper or ask about the birth. Ask your sister how she feels, when she gives you the "but at least my baby is healthy and that's all that matters" line, reply "yes, he is wonderful". When you feel uncomfortable about the situation, try asking your other relatives about their lives. "Forget" something (several somethings) in the car as an excuse to leave. Practice keeping a blank, pleasant look on your face as you count down from 10 or 20 "10, I am calm. 9, This will be okay, 8..." (Note, adding sarcastic comments like "sure it's okay, they're just doing everything wrong, but it's okay" after the counts will reduce the effectiveness of the technique.) Concentrate on little toes and fingers.

Practice turning laughs into coughs just in case someone says any of the standard BS lines like "the c-section saved the baby's life."

Since this is not the time to try to change your sister's mind about things, try to view the stupidity as absurd rather than evil.

Oh, and bring along a box of chocolates to share, bean dip wouldn't really fit in.
post #6 of 18
I agree w/the pps - go visit, enjoy your precious new nephew and your family, and try hard to let go of the rest. It definately isn't the time to educate/change minds. It helps me to have a mantra during stressful times. Maybe in this situation, saying something to yourself like, "This is my sister's birth choice, not mine" will help. Maybe you could even give yourself a job, to keep occupied when you are starting to feel stressed, like official baby photographer.

Your sister will be grateful you are there. Try to make the best of it. And let us know how it goes. We'll be thinking of you.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan
Practice keeping a blank, pleasant look on your face as you count down from 10 or 20 "10, I am calm. 9, This will be okay, 8..." (Note, adding sarcastic comments like "sure it's okay, they're just doing everything wrong, but it's okay" after the counts will reduce the effectiveness of the technique.)
Ha. That is a good tip. It's great to practice early so that when the kids are older and the parents are reaping what they've sown...you will be able to pull that out as a self-calming technique. I am still working on the blank, pleasant look.

When strangers tell me stories like what you've told (but as in, they got a c-sec, baby in nursery, not BFing by choice, CIO early) I always respond with pity and empathy. Apparently, not what they were looking for. Ooooh, it was their choice for those things...not an unfortunate medical accident. Which is what I would assume.
post #8 of 18
As much as you disagree with her choices, she is your sister. I think you should probably visit in the hospital, assuming she wants you there. (FWIW- I don't want anyone other than dh and ds in my room, but I know that I have to face reality.) Like one of the PPs said, the more you're there, you can play with the baby and keep it out of the nursery. Remember, that it's not you, and when you get stressed by the experience, you can breathe and envision your birth the way you want it to be to calm yourself.

Also, about the in hospital circ. (I hope I'm not over reaching here.) I know we've had some chats about our religion on our ddc board. I'm assuming your sister is the same religion (my sis isn't, so who knows ). If she is though, could you talk her into a religious circ instead. They seem much better for all involved.

Note: I am against RIC, but for those who choose religous circ, I hope they make their child as comfortable as possible. Please, do not flame me.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by momma2emerson
Also, about the in hospital circ. (I hope I'm not over reaching here.) I know we've had some chats about our religion on our ddc board. I'm assuming your sister is the same religion (my sis isn't, so who knows ). If she is though, could you talk her into a religious circ instead. They seem much better for all involved.

Note: I am against RIC, but for those who choose religous circ, I hope they make their child as comfortable as possible. Please, do not flame me.
Please don't flame me either, folks.

Yeah...this is bizarre and upsetting to me. Her husband is not circ'd (and not the same religion as she is/I am), which may be why she's not doing the religious ceremony? Honestly, this is an issue I CANNOT approach with her. (Even my dh, who is in favor of religious circ, has said that he would NEVER do a hospital circ.) It's weird...this sister is just not receptive to any advice I might give and tends to dig in her heels when given any; it's particularly odd given that I've done a lot more research on many of these issues than she has. I want to get her a copy of "So That's What They're For", b/c I think it's a fairly non-threatening book and might provide her with some useful strategies for avoiding some of the challenges she had bfing my niece (and some of the misinformation she got from her doc), but I'm not sure I'm comfortable doing even that. I may ask my mom to get her a copy instead. I might also ask me mom to at least try to convince her to do a non-hospital circ, but I'm hesitant to open this whole can of worms--given that my baby is a girl, I really don't want to tip my hand that we may not a circ future sons we have; that will be a horrible and draining issue that I'm simply not ready to deal with before it's necessary.

Ugh...this whole thing has me in knots. I guess I feel hypocritical--it's hard to demand that my family respect my choices and then turn around and offer unsolicited advice. When my sister heard dh and I were registering, she gave me a 30 minute, unsolicited lecture on everything we "need"--given how much that annoyed ME, I can only imagine that it might annoy her for me to, say, give her bfing advice, especially when she has bf a child and I haven't.
post #10 of 18
Amanda, this all sounds so stressful! Maybe take some chammomile tea with you, and you and your sis can both drink some.

Really though, I don't know what you can do. It's really hard, when people make different choices than us, especially when they're ignorant about them. Honestly, I'd have a much easier time with someone else's decision, if I at least knew that they had put as much thought into it as I had my decisions.

That's what really upset me about BIL and his wife. They have pretty much done everything mainstream, which in and of itself isn't that big of a deal to me. But, they didn't look into anything. I find it really hard to be around my ILs now. We don't judge them, and they don't judge us, but MIL thinks that one of us must be wrong. It's so frustrating.

I think it would be great if you could somehow get her a copy of 'So That's What They're For.' It really is the least threatening bfing book that exists, I think. Could your dh talk to her or her dh about the circ? He could maybe bring it up from a guy's perspective. But, I guess that would depend on how close he is to the two of them.

Try not to stress out too much. I know, easier said than done.
post #11 of 18
That sounds really difficult.

It sounds like you are close to your sister on some level? One way I have dealt with know-it-all-related issues with family members is to try to duck out of the whole "being right" mode of discourse and find *something* we could connect around. Whatever that is. Maybe this wouldn't work for your sister, but for example, with bf, I can imagine making it more of a "care package" -- maybe including the book but also lanolin, rrl tea, etc. Making comments like, "This is to keep you cozy, since I can't be there to make a cup of tea myself when you get home. Hope it is easy for you this time! I'm going to be there myself pretty soon."

Could you visit your sister at home on a different weekend? She will probably need the support once everyone else has gone home and it's maybe just her and 2 kids. You could also bow out of the hospital trip, without specifying another time to visit, by saying that you wish you could be there but are not feeling up to travelling bc of your pregnancy symptoms (i.e. need for mental health re: birth thoughts -- but omitting that part ). Then demonstrate that it's not that you don't want to see *her* by sending a very warm card and maybe gift, calling her in the hospital, etc. You have to figure out what will work for YOU. If you can't go without having constant feelings of anxiety, reproach, fear, whatever, that may end up affecting your sister and defeat the purpose of showing up despite your feelings.
post #12 of 18
The circ is the main part that would get me. You could always rescue the baby from the nursery yourself I feel SO strongly about circumcision that I would have a hard time even having a conversation w/ a sister of mine who was doing that (I have 2 sisters). But I supposed I'd get over it, as i have w/ other things they've done that I disagree so much with. That would be really hard though.
post #13 of 18
I think the biggest thing to me would be the circumcision. The other things could be a product of her having a csection and hospital policy. Some women who have csections need/have/are given lots of medications and it may not be in her best interest to have her baby room in with her. Also, at the hospital I gave birth in, if you had a csection you had to have someone there at all times to room in (which we did). Is it possible your sister would like to room in but doesn't have anyone to stay with her and help her? Maybe you could offer to do this. Especially if she is going to breastfeed this baby.

Also, this is her second child. Things may be different than the first time around. You mentioned her first csection was an emergency. (mine was too for similar reasons) I know that after my emergency csection I just wanted to sleep off the drugs and I was incredible pain. My planned csections I felt much better and was better equipped emotionally and physically to be with my babies.

Kim
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence
I think the biggest thing to me would be the circumcision. The other things could be a product of her having a csection and hospital policy. Some women who have csections need/have/are given lots of medications and it may not be in her best interest to have her baby room in with her. Also, at the hospital I gave birth in, if you had a csection you had to have someone there at all times to room in (which we did). Is it possible your sister would like to room in but doesn't have anyone to stay with her and help her? Maybe you could offer to do this. Especially if she is going to breastfeed this baby.
No...she LIKES not rooming-in. With her first, she was thrilled that they would take the baby away so she could rest. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand the need for rest after the c/s--but this was for three nights and days, and she actually had a relatively easy recovery--the easiest of anyone I know who had a c/s. In many ways, the issue (and this is clearly MY issue) is not so much the choices she's made, but her attitude toward them and the lack of research/thought that went into making them. She does what her doctors "advise", even when the tiniest bit of research would show that they're wrong (i.e., the weaning at 3 mos. thing). I respect her choice for the c/s in this case, b/c the problems that caused the first c/s (a serious uterine anamoly--her doc said she had never seen anything like it!) are still there. It's just that the whole "let's follow lock-step with hospital policy--whee!" attitude is very difficult for me to understand, and even being IN a hospital maternity ward wigs me out a little these days, given that I'm expecting in a few months and I am hell-bent on not birthing in a hospital. I'm (obviously) going to suck it up and deal when the actual event rolls around--she's my sister and he's my nephew--I'm just anxious about the situation. And rambling!
post #15 of 18
Just wanted to say I know it's hard... I had to choke back a few comments when my nephew's girlfriend had her baby, a doctor who hadn't caught a baby in 30 years almost delivered her baby and had the episiotomy scissors ready , the baby was full formula by the time they left the "birthing center" (actually a dressed up hospital) etc.

Just remember your sweet baby girl and the plans you have for birthing and raising her.
post #16 of 18
Hugs to you Amanda . I totally understand where you're coming from. My little sissy and I are on 2 totally different planets when it comes to PG, birth, child rearing, etc. When she went into labor with my niece I was just there by her side and held her hand and such. Sometimes it's very difficult for me to hold my tongue on certain things but I try and do it anyway, even though she does not always extend me the same courtesy! yet :

When I told her that we would leave this babe intact if it's a boy she just could not believe what she was hearing! Just try and keep yourself full of good thoughts and such as you seem like you really want to see your sis and the rest of the family so much since you don't get to go home as often as you like. Be well mama!
post #17 of 18
My brother recently had a baby and it is hard biting back those comments I know. Thank god he had a girl or I'm sure they would have circed. She was briefly BFed but then SIL quit because she got mastitis. Don't ask. They didn't call and ask for help though I had begged them to. It kills me but I have to just let it go. The couting suggestion is a good one. Biting your tongue is a good idea as well. She's not going to change her mind and you might as well all enjoy the visit as much as possible. I feel your frustration though. It really sucks.

I am a little confused though as you say she's having an elective c-section but then you say it's necessary because of a uterine anomaly. That's not an elective c-section then. Maybe it's routine because it's planned but it's not elective if it is medically necessary.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by wasabi
I am a little confused though as you say she's having an elective c-section but then you say it's necessary because of a uterine anomaly. That's not an elective c-section then. Maybe it's routine because it's planned but it's not elective if it is medically necessary.
Oops...I meant scheduled, not elective.
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