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post #141 of 443
Yay Jane! You're here.
I'm starting to get a little pi**ed about my book not being delivered yet. I hate going through this without having read it yet.

When starting this diet is it normal for symptoms to get worse? (DD's eyes.) Would it still be die off even though I'm not doing any acidopilous or yogurt yet? (Just the diet and enzymes.) She really looks terrible again today. Could it be something in the diet that I should stay away from? I'm keeping a food log & just don't know.

BTW, my oven couldn't hold the right temp for my yogurt so I"m going to try with another batch tomorrow. DH made me a yogurt maker! So far it's holding at *exactly* 100 degrees. I'm dying to try it.
post #142 of 443
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Originally Posted by mat4mel
I had a question for the group. My dd's poops are always throwing me off. I have tried eliminating several different foods (in fact, she was GF for almost a year because it seemed to bother her). Right now, I know that if citrus foods bother her stomach, and if she eats a lot of oranges or something, it can give her diarrhea for a couple of weeks!. Also, small amounts of chocolate and dairy seem okay, but if she eats more it will upset her stomach as well. I seem to notice when I up her zinc intake, her helps her stools normalize again. Also, if she gets a stomach virus, she can have diarrhea for 2-3 weeks after that. Sometimes, she will have loose stools and I can't figure out what triggered it. Her poor gut sounds so damaged to me. Thankfully, she seems healthy otherwise (nothing more than normal viruses). I give her probiotics (have for a long time.)

I looked into the SCD diet a while back, and truthfully, it seems extremely difficult for our family to do all the way. I am willing to try some changes but the whole thing will just be too much for me right now. (and I thought having the whole family GF for a year was hard! I really admire you mamas!)

Sorry if I'm talking too much! Thanks for listening.

Side note-- I just noticed that this was my 1000th post!
Hi Mel

The issues in your DD sound familiar to me.... how my digestive problems surfaced. I never really saw a direct correlation that I was "allergic" to anything, so thus the entire gut should be viewed holistically... as you say, the health or damage of it. For me, one serving or a few days of a certain thing would not set me off. But then all of a sudden, my system would be totally out of whack and I'd have to go to great lengths to rein it in again.

So learning about the gut and intestinal flora balance this made more sense. Meaning if you eat a little sugar, the gut might be able to handle it, but eat it everyday or a lot at once and it starts going crazy, yeast and bad bacteria overgrow if one's system is geared that way.

Zinc is an EXCELLENT supplement for a damaged gut. One benefit to newbies wading through a lot of our old posts, there's so much the we forget to mention.
post #143 of 443
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Originally Posted by Bestbirths
We are gluten and casein free. We cheat once a week with enzymes, though.
Okay, so he is probably eating sugar and corn and rice and potatoes... which can ferment in the gut and feed yeast/bacteria if he is not breaking them all down?

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Originally Posted by Bestbirths
Right now, we are learning about Sara's Diet, and we are going to go lutein free also. The amazing thing is that our son has already self protected his diet to eliminate most luteins, so it's really not too much of a leap for him to go lutein free. It will be harder for the rest of us, but we are all going to give lutein free a trial, because several of us feel or look worse on the GFCF diet, and I am thinking soy might be a big issue at play there, but also luteins in general.

I will be making the d-lactate free almond yogurt, and does anyone know if I can make tofu out of almonds or something other than soy?....I need a cottage cheese substitute that is not dairy or soy....
I do not even have the energy to read that Sara's Diet, ugh. I know my DS had issues with beta carotene, being able to break it down maybe. And it makes more sense when you think about how it's the gut bacteria that breaks down the bc into vitamin A. And lutein too? OY.

Have you checked Pecanbread recipes, I know there is a nut yogurt recipe and then maybe dripping it? What do you need a cc substitute for?

Tell me about this d-lactate free thing again and why you are doing it?
post #144 of 443
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Originally Posted by Bestbirths
oh, I just read a reference that garlic, uva ursi, and lauricidin deal with bacteria.
I am concerned because garlic as an herb is powerful, and I have always heard not to use it, so we will just cook with it more. I heard that lauricidin tasted awful, so either I need a cap making machine with that, or maybe go with the uva ursi, unless anyone here knows a better way (homeopathic?) of dealing with bacteria.
Biocidin is recommended for bacteria but has garlic, tiny amount though.

Coconut oil has natural lauric acid that's in Lauricidin and tastes fantastic. My current favorite is Wilderness Family Naturals centrifuged but Mountain Rose Herbs has a gallon for a ridiculous price of $28 or something. I think FireFaery was going to try it.

We are going the homeopathic route now, waiting for appt. I'm so confused with everything and praying that will help. DS is stabilized I guess, some things are better, but some are worse.

For all you BF'ing moms out there nursing your kids with damaged guts: Keep feeding your babes as long as you can! Even with my own damaged gut, my breastmilk was doing so much for my DS, he really regressed after weaning.
post #145 of 443
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Originally Posted by AmyD
For the love of macaroni, I have absolutely no ego invested in that yogurt recipe Personally, I use a yogurt maker
She just wanted to post that darned smilie again!

Hey, don't mention macaroni here, it's verboten!!!
post #146 of 443
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Originally Posted by Bestbirths
What would it mean if my children who have been gfcf for three months are developing deep dark circles under their eyes?
Lack of minerals.

That plasma cysteine thing that Andrew Cutler talks about.

Die off.
post #147 of 443
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Originally Posted by ikesmom
I always see posts on enzymes but what multi or prenatal is good when doing SCD? I'm saying digestability wise? I spend too much on vits, supplements ect. at hfs, but I look on bottles at Costco and Walmart and see all kins of extra crap in them. I made the mistake of buying a pre-natal I have to take 4 times a day and I can taste it all day long
Ick is right... not sure. Both websites have recommended supplements I think:
www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info
www.pecanbread.com

I always took Rainbow Light prenatal b/c it was a whole food sourced vitamin and thus more easily digested, but I have no idea what else is in it for ingredients.
post #148 of 443
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Originally Posted by momofcutie
Thanks for the welcome! So where do I start? What diet do you recommend we try first? I'd like to eliminate dairy, but it's hard to do without cheese!
Most cheeses and 24 hr. yogurt is allowed in the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.
post #149 of 443
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Yay Jane! You're here.
I'm starting to get a little pi**ed about my book not being delivered yet. I hate going through this without having read it yet.

When starting this diet is it normal for symptoms to get worse? (DD's eyes.) Would it still be die off even though I'm not doing any acidopilous or yogurt yet? (Just the diet and enzymes.) She really looks terrible again today. Could it be something in the diet that I should stay away from? I'm keeping a food log & just don't know.

BTW, my oven couldn't hold the right temp for my yogurt so I"m going to try with another batch tomorrow. DH made me a yogurt maker! So far it's holding at *exactly* 100 degrees. I'm dying to try it.
I know, I came back to this thread hopping!

Yes, the SCD can cause die off, and so can enzymes. I got die off from both and my gut was about halfway healed by that time.

Can you try to get her to drink more water? Pecanbread suggests epsom salts baths for die off for little ones. The body absorbs magnesium which is detoxing and calming too. Although they were a bit much for my DS, maybe I used too much at first.

What a lovely DH you have! How did he make it?
post #150 of 443
DD is still primarily b'fed so she doesn't really drink water. She plays around with her sippy cup but most of it ends up on her shirt.

I will try the epsom salts. What do you mean they were too much for your ds? How could you tell?

DH is an engineer and can build most anything. He used a simple styrofoam cooler and a light bulb fixture w/a hmmm . . .15 watt I think nightlight bulb. And a meat thermometer stuck through the front so I can see it from the outside. We just put some tin foil in the bottom to see if we could raise the temp a couple of degrees.

Oh, and how did you know you were experiencing die off? I had an awful day today. Felt like most of the day. Upset tummy but hungry too at the same time.
post #151 of 443
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Originally Posted by AmyD
For the love of macaroni, I have absolutely no ego invested in that yogurt recipe Personally, I use a yogurt maker
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Originally Posted by JaneS
She just wanted to post that darned smilie again!
Yes, AmyD, that's right. Come on now, keep up! Was going to explain (to have another chance at the smilie) but thought it'd be overkill.
post #152 of 443
Just wanted to say that most of my best info came form Enzymes for Autism and other Neurological Conditions . I'm laughing about Jane's post about it because I just gave it to my SIL and came here to rave again about it. It's really great. Her website's good too, but the book is really fabulous. I found that reading it with BTVC really gave me a very clear picture.
Jane, can you recommend good books/sites to learn more about minerals, where they're found (dietarily) and what deficiencies look like/how they manifest? TIA.
I found pasta that I think is legal! I have to go back and check the book...I know lentils are okay, but preparation probably matters in which case it's out. The brand is Papadini, and it's just lentil flour, water and some salt. What do you think? If it's legal...man. That would open some doors.
For magnesium...we use naturalcalm by natural vitality. I can always tell when the kids need it. It's really quite helpful for us. It's a powder that you put in water and it tastes lemonny. We gave it with enzymes, and had great results.
post #153 of 443
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Yes, AmyD, that's right. Come on now, keep up! Was going to explain (to have another chance at the smilie) but thought it'd be overkill.

You mamas are so funny. And Jane, can you step away from the computer for a moment Everytime I refresh my e-mail, I have like 5 more e-mail announcements from this thread
post #154 of 443
Any ideas for administering cod liver oil? DS doesn't like the liquids, and the softchews are so expensive, and anyway they probably have illegals in them. I tried juice, that didn't go over well.
post #155 of 443
We use a tincture bottle. My kids will take anything that way.
post #156 of 443
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Originally Posted by Pookietooth
Any ideas for administering cod liver oil? DS doesn't like the liquids, and the softchews are so expensive, and anyway they probably have illegals in them. I tried juice, that didn't go over well.
I use a medicine dropper. DS takes it w/no problems. One of those kind that you get at the pharmacy that has the bulb end on it. Works great. You can squirt it into the side of their mouth so it mostly by-passes the taste buds.
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One of those things..
post #157 of 443
Finally read most of the book tonight and now I have some questions. bear w/me, it's almost midnight and I really should be in bed.

1. If there is no diarrhea at the begining, can we use fresh apple juice? We have a wonderful juicer, so would it be okay to throw some apples in it and give it to my son?

2. Does it matter if the kid won't eat soup? Really, he has never liked soup. What if the kid won't eat any of the stuff offered? I know there are a few things there my son will eat, but I'm not sure about all of it. I, for one, don't like cottage cheese, but I guess I'll force it down, b/c I'm going to do this diet too.

3. What if we eat out(which we do often)? I thought I saw something about it somewhere..

4. What about preschool? Do you send snacks w/your kids? The preschool provides all meals/snacks, but ds is only there for morning snack. He goes M-F 8:30-12.

5. Should I wait until he is over his cold before I start the introduction diet? He's had a cold for a while and I'm hoping it will go away by itself w/out turning into bronchitis again. ugh.

6. What kind of yogurt maker do you use? Where would I find a good one?

7. Oh, and I really need an answer to this one.. What can I give him to replace the rice milk he currently drinks? He *has* to have a cup of rice milk(used to be cows milk, but we took him off that and other dairy products) every night before bed. He's been drinking the rice milk since April or May of '05.

Any other info. you can give me would be great. I'll be cleaning out my junk food filled cuboards tomorrow and making room in my freezer(which is also full of junk).

ps. this was x-posted on the pecanbread.com yahoo board if anyone goes there.
post #158 of 443
Jane,

Thanks for all the links! It looks like I have a lot of reading to do...

It looks like the SCD is intended for those with the digestive problems I have, and for those with autism. What about allergies, asthma, and eczema? This is the first I've heard of the SCD. Usually I hear about GF/CF or the Feingold Diet. Would the SCD be more beneficial to me and my son than these other 2? I'd like to make similar changes for both of us, rather than trying two different (difficult) diets if I can. But to be honest, I'm kinda overwhelmed with it all right now!

BTW, I was just diagnosed with GERD too! (Great, like I need another medical problem...)

Again, THANKS!
post #159 of 443
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Originally Posted by JaneS
Read this book, "Enzymes for Autism and Other Neurological Conditions"
www.enzymestuff.com
it's really fantastic not just for ASD but all digestive disorders, behavioral issues, migraines, sensory, etc etc... Has the best description of leaky gut and understanding the digestive function that I've read thus far. So far I seem to be the only one raving about it. Is anyone else reading?
Hmm, I just looked it up... sounds interesting. Maybe this is what I need to read since I can't understand why my body would not be producing enough enzymes to digest the food I eat.
post #160 of 443
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Originally Posted by Bestbirths
Right now, we are learning about Sara's Diet, and we are going to go lutein free also.
Hi, what is Sara's diet? Haven't heard of that one before.
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