Healing the Gut Tribe ~ February - Page 19

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Hibou

Thanks JaneS for your response. I had a look at the enzyme site, and from what I can tell, what we are dealing with now is an allergy. The reaction is bright red cheeks and spots on his body. It is almost immediate, whereas the problem with dairy used to take several days to manifest itself as eczema. His poop is pretty normal. But come to think of it, his skin has been dry and itchy lately so that could indicate gut issues. Obviously there is a problem with his immune response, but I'm confused and not sure where to start. If we work on healing the gut, will that heal the allergic response? I'm going to read more on the enzyme site. Feeling really overwhelmed.

I know!!! It is difficult and overwhelming and frustrating.

And...you of all people already have like the best diet on the planet!

I think it will heal the allergic response, especially if this is something new you are noticing. There are many things that are interrelated too, such as fatty acids do keep the lining of the intestines intact.

And not to make you even more distressed ... but I wonder if kids like ours will always have to go the extra mile with respect to "gut healing" and massive amounts of probiotics and nutrients for the rest of their lives. (Not that that isn't good for everyone but, ykwim?)

Because their initial gut flora just wasn't up to par and their immune system is geared to being on alert or yeast/bacteria is always there waiting to grow again.

[JaneS]

Time to post one of my favorite articles since several here mentioned they are TTC. And Firefaery is expecting

"Just One Bottle Won't Hurt"-- or Will It?
Marsha Walker, RN, IBCLC
http://www.massbfc.org/formula/bottle.html

major ecological disturbances are observed in newborn infants treated with antimicrobial agents ...


when formula supplements are given to breastfed babies during the first seven days of life, the production of a strongly acidic environment is delayed and its full potential may never be reached ...

The neonatal GI tract undergoes rapid growth and maturational change following birth

Infants have a functionally immature and immunonaive gut at birth

Tight junctions of the GI mucosa take many weeks to mature and close the gut to whole proteins and pathogens

Intestinal permeability decreases faster in breastfed babies than in formula-fed infants (Catassi, et al, 1995)

Open junctions and immaturity play a role in the acquisition of NEC, diarrheal disease, and allergy

sIgA from colostrum and breast milk coats the gut, passively providing immunity during the time of reduced neonatal gut immune function ...


infant formula should not be given to a breastfed baby before gut closure occurs

once dietary supplementation begins, the bacterial profile of breastfed infants resembles that of formula-fed infants in which bifidobacteria are no longer dominant and the development of obligate anaerobic bacterial populations occurs (Mackie, Sghir, Gaskins, 1999)

relatively small amounts of formula supplementation of breastfed infants (one supplement per 24 hours) will result in shifts from a breastfed to a formula-fed gut flora pattern (Bullen, Tearle, Stewart, 1977) ...

in susceptible families, breastfed babies can be sensitized to cow's milk protein by the giving of just one bottle, (inadvertent supplementation, unnecessary supplementation, or planned supplements), in the newborn nursery during the first three days of life (Host, Husby, Osterballe, 1988; Host, 1991)

Forced supplementing of formula while in hospital (high hemotocrit level due to DS being 2 weeks late and 40 hr. labor).

Coupled with antibiotics given to me thru IV without my permission because my OB had to clean out my uterus manually due to extensive bleeding and clotting (probably the damned pitocin).

Plus damaged gut mama.

Equals my DS's gut

[PumpkinSeeds]

I need to go back and read this entire thread (and the previous ones too)

But, I have been giving my very dairy allergic son (4.5yo) rejuvelac for the last few days. He has been drinking about 3 x 8 oz of it and yesterday for the first time in a long while he had a normal poop.

He tends to get chronic sloppy stools. We are strict about him not eating anything he is allergic to and he does have some oral aversion/SID issues that make it particulary difficult to get him to eat.

I want to increase the amount of fat in his diet, and I need to go back and find that coconut milk yogurt recipe..

[ShannonCC]

Hi! I'm mostly posting just to sub This thread is very intimidating,

I see most of you are dealing with babies and my problem is mostly me, so I hope it's ok to post here. If it counts, my kids seem to have problems too, yay! All in the family

I have an allergy to dairy and an intolerance to soy and, apparently, garlic. Suddenly, in the past few months, all the issues have gotten much worse. It's now to the point that if I eat dairy, my hands are cracked and bleeding within hours. I had some chips that had whey flavoring (by mistake : ) last Sunday and while my hands are largely better, there's still some red and a few scabs left. I had some chinese food last week and was in the most intense pain from the gas all night long (I couldn't even lay down without being in pain until 6:30 am - on the plus side, I was mostly ok as long as I stayed upright so I got to re-read a good book without interruptions, and then dh took the day off work so I could sleep).

Anyway, I don't understand why everything has suddenly gotten worse. If it was just one of the food issues I'd say I had lost my tolerance to it or something, but it's all at once (had some garlic without thinking yesterday at lunch and was not a happy camper for the rest of the day).

I feel great as long as I avoid soy, dairy and garlic, so I'm making a HUGE effort right now (the Chinese incident scared me) but I wonder what else is going on underneath all this?

And why do things like this run in families? My dd also gets rashes from dairy and my cousin cleared up her really bad acne by cutting dairy out of her diet (her mother, who has excema like me, hasn't taken the plunge yet so I can't say anything about her). We've also got more than a few lactose intolerant people on that side of the family (including me). I'm pretty sure it's all related. Maybe we're just a family that shouldn't have dairy.

[Panserbjorne]

Thanks Jane! Great read. Just another reason I have my babies at home. I had major supply issues, and thak god I had friends who helped me nurse dd so she never had formula. At least we avoided that! Unfortunately ds wasn't so lucky and had formula because again, the milk just didn't come in and I didn't have a support system at that point. Both kids were grown in a mama with a leaky gut though-so neither escaped. Sigh.

ShannonCC, glad you're posting. You'll find that alot of us here are healing ourselves. You are in good company.

[Annikate]

Does anyone know why this multi has a "not to be used by pregnant or nursing women" warning at the bottom?
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...questid=367906

Oh, forget it. I just saw it has sucralose and that's illegal right?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Does anyone know why this multi has a "not to be used by pregnant or nursing women" warning at the bottom?
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...questid=367906

Oh, forget it. I just saw it has sucralose and that's illegal right?

Yes I think sucralose is Splenda?

Probably the warning b/c of the 10,000 IU vitamin A

It's likely chemical vitamin A anyways which is crap and can be toxic in high amounts in pg.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by PumpkinSeeds

I need to go back and read this entire thread (and the previous ones too)

But, I have been giving my very dairy allergic son (4.5yo) rejuvelac for the last few days. He has been drinking about 3 x 8 oz of it and yesterday for the first time in a long while he had a normal poop.

He tends to get chronic sloppy stools. We are strict about him not eating anything he is allergic to and he does have some oral aversion/SID issues that make it particulary difficult to get him to eat.

I want to increase the amount of fat in his diet, and I need to go back and find that coconut milk yogurt recipe..

Cool! did you make it yourself? It's supposed to have good sugar digesting bacteria in it.

I think www.Pecanbread.com has a non dairy yogurt recipe?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by ShannonCC

Hi! I'm mostly posting just to sub This thread is very intimidating,

I know, I know! What can we do, we are sooo popular.
I'm working on a cheat sheet for next month.

Originally Posted by ShannonCC

I see most of you are dealing with babies and my problem is mostly me, so I hope it's ok to post here. If it counts, my kids seem to have problems too, yay! All in the family

Absolutely! If you notice it's rarely just the babe with issues, usually it's both of us.

Originally Posted by ShannonCC

I have an allergy to dairy and an intolerance to soy and, apparently, garlic. Suddenly, in the past few months, all the issues have gotten much worse....

I feel great as long as I avoid soy, dairy and garlic, so I'm making a HUGE effort right now (the Chinese incident scared me) but I wonder what else is going on underneath all this?

And why do things like this run in families? My dd also gets rashes from dairy and my cousin cleared up her really bad acne by cutting dairy out of her diet (her mother, who has excema like me, hasn't taken the plunge yet so I can't say anything about her). We've also got more than a few lactose intolerant people on that side of the family (including me). I'm pretty sure it's all related. Maybe we're just a family that shouldn't have dairy.

It could just be time marching on or new intolerances you haven't figured out yet why things are getting worse. If it's intestinal flora related, and I believe all things like this are, it will likely only get worse the longer it goes on.

It could be your family history, but also all mama's pass on their intestinal flora to their babes, so if it's not up to par, their babes inhereit it.

RE: acne and dairy
There's so many hormones and antibiotics in regular dairy too... not to mention that pasteurized dairy is very hard to digest.

The fact that you are seeing these issues appear all over your family tree could not necessarily mean a genetic basis... personally I feel most everyone's digestion is horrible in this fast food nation, we just don't talk about it!! (How many ads do we see a day for GasX or Pepto Bismol or Mylanta. Poor digestion is a billion dollar market.)

[Kundalini-Mama]

oh man oh man oh man, *I* am so cool

Tired of my coconut yogurt system in the yogurt maker where the top has to be balanced, precariously, on two wood toys ( ) in order to keep the yogurt below 115 or so, I and the power drill took matters into my own hands.

I drilled a whole bunch of holes in the top of my plastic cover And, now I can easily insert thermometer into any of the jars and see what is going on. The highest I have gotten has been 111 degrees

Oh coconut yogurt is so simple. Follow any other yogurt directions, only subbing coconut milk for the milk. I use progurt starter, which was incredibly expensive, but free of dairy & soy and other stuff. It also will last forever. That's it. No need to search

[Pattyla]

"Just One Bottle Won't Hurt"-- or Will It?

I have read that before and it always makes me cry. I was forced to give dd bottles of formula untill my milk came in. (luckily on the morning of day 4). It is a long ugly story but my 9 1/2 lb baby wound up in the nicu for 4 days, apparently to spite me since I had her unmedicated and we think also because it appeared that I was a h/b transfer. (Somehow my ped knew we were a failed h/b and I never told him so I figure the hospital did even though we never told them either.) So she was in the nicu on iv abx and bottles of formula instead of in my arms getting colostrum to seal up her gut. I knew what harm it could be doing to her but I was threatened that they would keep her longer if I didn't give her formula and since I already knew they were lying about her health I just had to get her out of there and home (plus one sadistic n/p kept running test after test on her cause she wasn't peeing enough to please her : )

Sigh

I think detox has hit dd. She has been a wreck all day. I also think that the suppliments my chiro gave me have helped a ton since I forgot to take them untill about noon and wasn't a very nice mommy this morning but once I took them I felt like a new person.

I think I just ordered some of that clay. I also am pretty sure I'm not pg this cycle. Probably a good thing but after 6 months of ttc I don't want to wait. plus now we are getting into the conundrum of do we ttc for a holiday season due date or not.

[PumpkinSeeds]

Thanks! I'm going to the health food store to find coconut milk with no preservatives.

Originally Posted by AmyD

Oh coconut yogurt is so simple. Follow any other yogurt directions, only subbing coconut milk for the milk. I use progurt starter, which was incredibly expensive, but free of dairy & soy and other stuff. It also will last forever. That's it. No need to search

[PumpkinSeeds]

Yes, I make it myself, and my son calls it his special juice. I am drinking beet kvass myself, but he smelled it and wasn't interested. I want to try the coconut yogurt. Fat and bacteria all in one go, sounds good to me.

Originally Posted by JaneS

Cool! did you make it yourself? It's supposed to have good sugar digesting bacteria in it.

I think www.Pecanbread.com has a non dairy yogurt recipe?

[mlleoiseau]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Time to post one of my favorite articles since several here mentioned they are TTC. And Firefaery is expecting

"Just One Bottle Won't Hurt"-- or Will It?
Marsha Walker, RN, IBCLC
http://www.massbfc.org/formula/bottle.html

Forced supplementing of formula while in hospital (high hemotocrit level due to DS being 2 weeks late and 40 hr. labor).

Coupled with antibiotics given to me thru IV without my permission because my OB had to clean out my uterus manually due to extensive bleeding and clotting (probably the damned pitocin).

Plus damaged gut mama.

Equals my DS's gut

Sounds like dd, too. She was given a bottle of formula in the nicu without my permission after having been given glucose water in an effort to normalize her rapid breathing rate. If they thought eating would help, why didn't they let me try to breastfeed her? Then ped scares me into supplementing with formula at 4 days old cause she's lost too much weight. Fast forward, horrible eczema, cradle cap, etc. Fast forward, she's anaphylactic to milk, eggs, and peanuts along with "milder" allergies to other foods. Makes me mad!

[Pattyla]

I have taken coloidal minerals in the past and they made me feel terrific. I am wondering if anyone here knows anything about this that would make it a bad idea to take or not scd legal.

[Annikate]

Does anyone have any or know of any articles re: breastmilk *still* being best even for babies w/food intolerances?

My mother, MIL, AIL, are wondering why I'm still nursing while dd is so sensitive to what I am eating. Just want to have some research in my corner so to speak.

[ShannonCC]

A cheat sheet would be wonderful

Is everyone here doing the SCD?

Does anyone just take probiotics? I have some coconut milk. How do you make yogurt? If it requires buying something expensive it's not going to happen

[Panserbjorne]

Making yogurt requires and oven (electric) and a 60 watt bulb. Super Cheap! Even if you have a gas oven...there are ways...

Any good article on breastfeeding will tell you why it's essential that you continue. Maybe someone has links, if not I'll get them for you. The baby's gut is permeable (by design) until they are about two. BM contains many elements, lauric acid, probiotics, enzymes etc that work to increase immunity and heal the gut. Introducing pasteurized, dead, hydrogenated food (formula) will be devastating. You are better off breastfeeding with the allergenic foods in your diet (I'm not saying you should) than giving formula. PM me if you need me to call my LC (who is also one of my closest friends and we talk several times a day-it wouldn't be a problem)

[Panserbjorne]

RE: minerals. I don't know! I'm taking sea mineral with silver now and looking for a better product. Let's keep our eyes open.

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by firefaery
Any good article on breastfeeding will tell you why it's essential that you continue. Maybe someone has links, if not I'll get them for you. The baby's gut is permeable (by design) until they are about two. BM contains many elements, lauric acid, probiotics, enzymes etc that work to increase immunity and heal the gut. Introducing pasteurized, dead, hydrogenated food (formula) will be devastating. You are better off breastfeeding with the allergenic foods in your diet (I'm not saying you should) than giving formula. PM me if you need me to call my LC (who is also one of my closest friends and we talk several times a day-it wouldn't be a problem)

Thanks! I'm really looking for a straightforward article written for people who know absolutely nothing about b'feeding OR food intolerances.

I'd like to find something that says this: You are better off breastfeeding with the allergenic foods in your diet (I'm not saying you should) than giving formula.[/B]

I guess I'm just being super sensitive about it all right now & while I can quote for them several reasons why b'milk is best (in general), I just feel like if they *read* something about why continuing to b'feed, despite dd's "troubles", they'd be more likely to believe it yk?

I'm just getting a lot of, "Try Pro-Sobe, try Pro-Sobe." And . . . "Well, when you quit nursing, things will be better."