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post #381 of 443
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Originally Posted by AmyD
Tired of my coconut yogurt system in the yogurt maker where the top has to be balanced, precariously, on two wood toys ( ) in order to keep the yogurt below 115 or so, I and the power drill took matters into my own hands.

I drilled a whole bunch of holes in the top of my plastic cover And, now I can easily insert thermometer into any of the jars and see what is going on. The highest I have gotten has been 111 degrees

Oh coconut yogurt is so simple. Follow any other yogurt directions, only subbing coconut milk for the milk. I use progurt starter, which was incredibly expensive, but free of dairy & soy and other stuff. It also will last forever. That's it. No need to search


This is the BEST yogurt making story I've ever read!!! Go mama!!!
post #382 of 443
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Originally Posted by Pattyla
I have read that before and it always makes me cry. I was forced to give dd bottles of formula untill my milk came in. (luckily on the morning of day 4). It is a long ugly story but my 9 1/2 lb baby wound up in the nicu for 4 days, apparently to spite me since I had her unmedicated and we think also because it appeared that I was a h/b transfer.
Yikes Patty

Hope your DD is doing better with die off today.
post #383 of 443
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Originally Posted by mlleoiseau
Sounds like dd, too. She was given a bottle of formula in the nicu without my permission after having been given glucose water in an effort to normalize her rapid breathing rate. If they thought eating would help, why didn't they let me try to breastfeed her? Then ped scares me into supplementing with formula at 4 days old cause she's lost too much weight. Fast forward, horrible eczema, cradle cap, etc. Fast forward, she's anaphylactic to milk, eggs, and peanuts along with "milder" allergies to other foods. Makes me mad!
You just reminded me of the sugar they gave my DS during his blood draws too .

Did you find out DD was ana thru testing or it just happened? Have you posted your story about this, I'd like to read if you link to it.

Why does the medical establishment know so little? It's pretty frightening that we are able to make these connections and they do not. I'll never ever trust anyone with a white coat ever again, on ANYTHING. It's not a good position to be in though. Incredible responsibility for us.
post #384 of 443
Some articles on bf'ing and allergies:

http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBJulAug98p100.html

The great general 'Outcomes of Breastfeeding' review of studies:
http://www.lalecheleague.org/cbi/biospec.htm

This article states:

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Prolonged breastfeeding can prevent or delay or the onset of food allergies. Possibly due to the immune factors in breastmilk...

Prolonged breastfeeding protects from developing allergies and asthma.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergyd...n/fa/wean.html
Also very interesting quote from that site:

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Studies have shown decreased bone mineral densities and nutrient deficiencies in mothers on inadequate "allergy prevention diets".
post #385 of 443
Wish me luck. I've got yougart cooking in a cooler w/a heating pad (oven method just didn't come close to working plus I need to use it all the time so having it unavailable for 24 hours wouldn't work here.

Couple of questions. Mainly wanting opinions.

I had a source of organic raw milk but all his cows currently have mastitis so no milk for a while. I can get organic low temp pasturized not homogonized at whole foods (which is what I am currently doing) or get non organic raw from another local guy (but I hear it is a total pita to get it from him). Apparently this other guy has more cows so I wouldn't be so limited as I am now. Which one should I do? In your opinion, if you had to choose, is raw better or organic better?

Ok also on nuts. Following the nt protocol I soaked some almonds and then dried them out. I made them into nut butter following the directions in nt. They were way salty and I think my co was rancid or something. They have a funky taste (I didn't use nearly as much as it called for either).

I found a recipe for some cookies. AF is here and I'm feeling sorry for myself so I made them. They are just walnuts, honey, cinnamon and eggwhite. They tasted lousy and then sat in my stomach like a stone (once I made them I had to eat a bunch )

I am wondering if the reason I reacted badly to the cookies is because of those nuts not being soaked. Or perhaps it was just too soon to try them. If I soak nuts do I need to add the salt? What about my experience w/ the nut butter, normal? When you make nut butter do you add oil? Do you add oil if your nuts are roasted?

Thoughts? Opinions??

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I'll never ever trust anyone with a white coat ever again, on ANYTHING.
This made me smile. No one at our Dr's office wears a white coat. In fact I was talking to a friend about her dd going to the ped and she talked about him wearing a coat and I thought "I didn't know Dr's still wore those". Probably my experience is outside of the norm but since I never see white coats any more it seems so passe.
post #386 of 443
Jane for those links! I also want to have this info for tomorrow when we go to the pediatric allergist/immunologist.

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Originally Posted by Pattyla
I am wondering if the reason I reacted badly to the cookies is because of those nuts not being soaked. Or perhaps it was just too soon to try them
Yup, too soon. I did the same thing w/ toasted pecans & suffered because of it.
Good luck w/your yogurt! My raw milk yogurt is deeeelicious! Next, I'm going to try some coconut yogurt too.
post #387 of 443
GLA - Gamma Linoleic Acid

Evening primrose oil helped DS's eczema and my bladder issues.

I found the quote about ancestry and nutrition very interesting.

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The body needs an enzyme called delta-6 desaturase (D6D) to transform linoleic acid into GLA. Under normal conditions, most people make adequate amounts of D6D and hence the by-product GLA; however, a number of disease and deficiency conditions as well as components of the modern diet can interfere with the conversion of linoleic acid to GLA.

Diabetics, for example, do not normally make adequate amounts of D6D and hence of GLA, nor do people with poor pituitary or thyroid function. Both malnutrition and overeating can interfere with D6D and inhibit the production of GLA. Trans fatty acids definitely inhibit the production of GLA as does overconsumption of sugar and alcohol. Deficiencies of protein, zinc, biotin and vitamins B6, B12 and E can all inhibit D6D function and hence the production of GLA.

In addition, some individuals are not genetically programed to produce D6D at all, mainly those whose ancestors had lots of preformed D6D metabolites from organ meats and fish in their diets. Researchers have called such individuals “obligate carnivores.” They are especially prone to diseases like diabetes and alcoholism if they do not eat enough fish and organ meat.

Some of the disease conditions that result from defective D6D function include premature aging, irritable bowel syndrome, cirrhosis of the liver, skin conditions like eczema, menstrual problem such as PMS, noncancerous breast disease, Sjogren’s syndrome, alcoholism, diabetes and cancer. Thus, investigators have hypothesized that GLA can be an important component of treatment for these conditions.

... reduction in the size of plaque in vessel walls.

....shown to encourage weight loss

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...linolenic.html
post #388 of 443
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Originally Posted by Pattyla
I had a source of organic raw milk but all his cows currently have mastitis so no milk for a while. I can get organic low temp pasturized not homogonized at whole foods (which is what I am currently doing) or get non organic raw from another local guy (but I hear it is a total pita to get it from him). Apparently this other guy has more cows so I wouldn't be so limited as I am now. Which one should I do? In your opinion, if you had to choose, is raw better or organic better?

Ok also on nuts. Following the nt protocol I soaked some almonds and then dried them out. I made them into nut butter following the directions in nt. They were way salty and I think my co was rancid or something. They have a funky taste (I didn't use nearly as much as it called for either).

I found a recipe for some cookies. AF is here and I'm feeling sorry for myself so I made them. They are just walnuts, honey, cinnamon and eggwhite. They tasted lousy and then sat in my stomach like a stone (once I made them I had to eat a bunch )

I am wondering if the reason I reacted badly to the cookies is because of those nuts not being soaked. Or perhaps it was just too soon to try them. If I soak nuts do I need to add the salt? What about my experience w/ the nut butter, normal? When you make nut butter do you add oil? Do you add oil if your nuts are roasted?

This made me smile. No one at our Dr's office wears a white coat. In fact I was talking to a friend about her dd going to the ped and she talked about him wearing a coat and I thought "I didn't know Dr's still wore those". Probably my experience is outside of the norm but since I never see white coats any more it seems so passe.
If all his cows have mastitis, I'm not sure I'd EVER buy milk from him. He is probably feeding grains. Grass fed cows do not get sick like this. I don't think I'd even get raw milk from cows that were fed grains regularly even if they appeared to be healthy. It's not a proper diet. It effects the nutrients in the milk and the bacterial population of their guts (which also effects the bacterial count of their milk, not good for raw.)

Non-organic could be okay if you talk to this other farmer and find out what the feed is, whether he uses antibiotics etc. Basically if it's organic with being certified for it.

Organic low temp pasteurized non-homogenized milk is the next best thing. Ultra pasteurized is the bad stuff.

And just to reiterate, SCD does not at all require the use of raw milk (in fact the online groups discourage it) or anything organic.

Re: nut butter

I only add oil if the nuts need it towards the end of processing. Cashews sometimes do.

If nuts are old they can indeed go rancid. I usually rinse mine and dry with clean dishtowel after soaking to remove the excess salt. It's very important to use the salt while soaking, this makes a bacteriostatic solution, mold won't grow. It may be crucial for the phytate reduction as well.

Re: reacting to non soaked nuts

For me, I noticed a difference. Non soaked nuts do inhibit digestive enzymes, so the evidence is there. (Again, another point in which I disagree with SCD.)

And also, you might just not be ready for nuts. Also don't walnut have some kind of special acid? I forget. The easiest nuts to digest first are pecans and blanced almonds.

Re: White coats
I meant it figuratively... how 'bout if I say "so called experts in medicine with a bunch of letters after their names"
post #389 of 443
Jane- Thanks for the thoughts. I know the nt protocols aren't part of scd which is why I asked here since I know some of you try to use both. What I thought was rancid was actually my coconut oil. I expect that the other raw milk guy is also feeding grain. Not sure if I could hope to find purely grass fed raw. I can get homogonized paturized grass fed organic milk at the grocery store. Not sure what the non-homogonized cows are eating but I expect at least some grain.

I think I have a working yougart contraption!!! The temp has gone a bit high but stayed under 120 so that is ok, right? My maker should be here tomorrow but we were nearly out of yougart now.

I can't beleive I have to wait another week for the book. UGH! Anyone have any good deserty ideas that don't use nuts? We all need a treat but I'm not having any luck finding recipes that look any good. The cheese cake wasn't good. And we are sick of applesauce but unsure what else we can move on to at this point. HELP!!!
post #390 of 443
I have a couple questions:
1. Has anyone tried using homeopathy along with their healing program? I have really been delving into it the last few days, and there are lots of examples where it has helped people with digestive issues/eczema/etc. I would be interested in hearing about it if anyone has gone this route.

2. In regards to enzymes, what brands are reputable, and if anyone on this thread is in Canada, I'm interested in knowing which reputable brands are specifically available here.

tia!
post #391 of 443
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Does anyone have any or know of any articles re: breastmilk *still* being best even for babies w/food intolerances?

My mother, MIL, AIL, are wondering why I'm still nursing while dd is so sensitive to what I am eating. Just want to have some research in my corner so to speak.
What is your child reacting to?

My older son was reacting to everything for some time, so I would tell someone to find me a "dairy-free, corn-free, coconut-free, soy-free" formula, and I would consider it. (which i wouldn't ). But the fact of the matter was that no ABM would meet his needs.

Off to search ingredients of this Pro-Sobe crap, I mean drink.
post #392 of 443
We use homeopathy for EVERYTHING. It's great in a gut healing program. Homeopathy can create a real shift, plus it's based on the whole idea is that you shouldn't have any sensitivities to begin with. I really believe that you need a skilled homeopath at your disposal though. I've said it before...I've used it for years. I can help almost anyone with acute conditions, which gut damage is not. I know enough to defer to a doc for constitutional stuff. If you try to treat acutely you're just going to end up chasing symptoms and not truly treating homeopathically.
post #393 of 443
I'm just thinking outloud here, trying to put puzzle pieces together.

Okay, so how do I figure out what it is. I was leaning toward low stomach acid. I don't know a whole lot about the role of stomach acid though, I know it helps break down food and digestion, right? Then I was thinking the problem might be gallstones, or bile problem, cause we need good bile to help digest fats and all that. So I don't know for sure what my problem is, I don't go to doctors much.
I just want to figure out all the stuff I can do to help these things, though I'm not sure if my problem is both, or one or the other.
I wish I had a see through body to see all my organs.
post #394 of 443
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Does anyone have any or know of any articles re: breastmilk *still* being best even for babies w/food intolerances?

My mother, MIL, AIL, are wondering why I'm still nursing while dd is so sensitive to what I am eating. Just want to have some research in my corner so to speak.
Fwiw, dd's allergist wanted me to breastfeed as long as possible. Allergic reactions are typically very much milder through breastmilk. The allergist did want me avoiding any foods that caused a reaction in her, too.
post #395 of 443
Thread Starter 
<<Studies have shown decreased bone mineral densities and nutrient deficiencies in mothers on inadequate "allergy prevention diets".>>

That’s interesting, Jane. I did the elimination diet while nursing dd. Not the total elimination diet—just avoiding the top 8 allergens plus a few. I had my bone density tested just for fun after I’d been on the diet 1 ½ years. My midwife friend said that bone density scores are usually much lower while breastfeeding than they are after weaning the child. My bone density level was much higher than it had been before I got pregnant.

I don’t really trust doctors anymore, either. Except for a few—one of which is dd’s allergist.

Here’s my story. Warning—It’s very long.

I ate pretty healthy before pregnancy, but with the nausea and general feeling like crap, I reverted to junk food like I ate in high school—fish sticks, McDonald’s, bagel bites, ice cream, etc. Then we moved when I was 4 months pregnant from Ohio to Washington, right after we went on a three week road trip South. Took two weeks to drive to WA so we could sightsee. Ate lots of fast food as I needed to eat every 3 hours. And from the poor diet and sitting in a car, my legs swelled from the knees down. We got to WA, bought a new house, had the downstairs finished, so I got major paint fumes, new carpet offgassing, etc. Diet got worse if possible cause I was stressed out about not knowing anyone, being so far away from family, etc. Took the glucose tolerance test and was diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Went to the gestational diabetes class offered by the hospitals—worthless information. Found the plus size pregnancy website and educated myself on dealing with gestational diabetes. For the rest of my pregnancy, I controlled my blood sugars by diet alone and started making connections between the amount of carbs I ate and how I felt. Because I had gd, the ob decided that I would need to be induced two weeks early just to make sure the baby didn’t get too big. I switched to a midwife at 37 weeks, but still ended up getting induced 1 week overdue. I’m still not sure it was justified. Dd was born with a high respiratory rate, so she was rushed off to the nicu. Was given a bottle of glucose water and then a bottle of formula to try to lower her breathing rate. I didn’t get to try to breastfeed until she was 5 hours old.

By 4 days of age, she had lost more than 10% of body weight and my milk had not come in. I was told I had to supplement with formula. When I rented a pump, the lc told me to stop nursing for 2 days and just pump and bottlefeed. After two days, I saw her again and she said to use a supplemental nursing system and supplement with formula. One of my friends told me to go to bed with the baby and just nurse nonstop, so I did that. My milk finally came in when she was one week old.

I had lots of breastfeeding problems and was finally told that I must just have sensitive nipples and that’s why it hurt. One lc had suggested nystatin just to see if it would work, but I didn’t try it. I now wish I had because I think it might have helped.

Dd had a rash on her face constantly but we were told it was normal baby rashes. Her cradle cap started at 7 weeks and just got worse and worse. Then the eczema slowly started and was pretty bad by three months of age. Her poops also abruptly changed to being very smelly around 3 months—the ped said it was normal. And as far as poop goes, she only had about one bm a week from the age of 1 week.

I started talking to different people and one of them suggested food allergies. So on my own, I read about allergies and elimination diets and pulled all dairy, wheat, soy, eggs, nuts, seafood, citrus, tomatoes, and berries from my diet. I consulted with a naturopath and tried following her program, but I saw no change. Dd was absolutely miserable. She would wake up every 15 to 30 at night to scratch and the only way I could get her back to sleep was nursing. She couldn’t be left alone during the day because she would do nothing but scratch. Dh was out of town, so I was on my own. At five months, due mostly to lack of sleep, I let the ped talk me into giving dd a round of antibiotics and oral steroids along with using hydrocortisone cream on dd. In a sense, the drugs were a godsend. Her eczema cleared, the cradle cap disappeared and she started sleeping. Her eczema did come back in a few spots, but was nothing compared to what it was like before. The ped said that keeping her moisturized was the only thing to do. She definitely didn’t believe it was an allergy issue.

At one point before the medication, I tried putting a probiotic paste on dd’s eczema. She immediately broke out in hives, started screaming and scratching and started swelling. Turns out it was a diary form. I was finally able to convince the ped to do allergy testing and she tested allergic to wheat, dogs, and milk. Her milk score was in the anaphylactic range. The same week I found out, one of dd’s playmates stopped breathing when he was given one bite of yogurt. So, I was convinced of the need to completely avoid her allergens. I continued avoiding the main allergens on the advice of her allergist. I have also found that she is extremely contact reactive to milk.

I didn’t start her on solids til about 8 or 9 months and kept taking her off of them because she would get extremely constipated. And she reacted to sweet peas. Finally at 1 year, when she would cry and cry when she saw us eating, I gave in and started giving her table food. Turns out her constipation with baby food was a fiber thing. She actually started having daily poops with table food.

We have continued to avoid the main allergens with her. She was just tested a month ago and tested in the anaphylactic range to eggs and peanuts and also tested allergic to almonds and cats. And I really wanted to try the scd. The allergist wants us to avoid all nuts until at least 4, and even though that could be overly cautious, I think I will. Nuts are not necessary and I don’t want to risk anything.

Oh, and dd is anemic. And she weaned herself in December. And she reacts with eczema to spinach, and she reacts with diaper rash/diarrhea with most legumes. And she can’t wear anything other than 100% cotton and gets rashes from our carpet. Oh, and I had silver fillings replaced when she was six months old with her sitting on my lap the whole time. And I was still nursing her.

Dd has been on probiotics several times for a long time, but I never saw a change. I did probiotics and digestive enzymes for a while and didn’t see a change, either.

I do believe that leaky gut in the mom makes a big difference in allergies, but that’s just not something you hear about from doctors or even alternative sources dealing with allergies. There is currently a discussion of this theory on kidswithfoodallergies.com.

I believe in the value of elimination diets. I don’t think they are necessarily bad. I don’t believe in the total elimination diets although I do understand the appeal of them. You do see an improvement in your child much quicker, and sometimes that’s more important at first. I know that I could not have survived much longer on the amount of sleep I was getting.

I do agree that finding the root of the problem and solving it is the answer. I think ideally the answer would be finding the triggers and avoiding them while changing the diet and taking supplements to heal the gut. It literally pains me to see kids suffering from foods that cause reactions, “but it’s okay because they need the nutrients and it’s too hard to find alternate foods.” (I’m thinking specifically of a friend whose baby has obvious signs of milk allergy, including extreme constipation, gas pain, failure to thrive, eczema, etc. but is being reassured by the doctor that it’s just colic. Colic still at 7 months old? And the symptoms completely disappeared in the week the baby was tried on Neocate. But of course that’s too expensive to stay on, and it’s just colic and he’ll outgrow it.) I digress.

I am finding with myself that I do much better off sugars and grains, but I haven’t made the commitment to fully changing my diet, yet. And I do want to change dd’s diet, but I haven’t made that commitment yet, either. Right now I’m seeing all the negatives about it—she can’t have dairy, eggs or nuts. She won’t drink anything other than water, is currently eating no veggies, will only eat a few fruits. Potatoes and rice flour waffles are such a staple right now. And the fact that we’ll be moving in three months, and it would be very hard to do the scd while moving. I just need to sit down, start looking at the positives, and do some planning. Convenience is one of my weaknesses—having homemade frozen waffles I can just pop in the oven, getting French fries from the drive through when we’re running our errands, etc.

Finding this thread has really been an eye opener for me in lots of ways. I have learned so much from you all.
post #396 of 443
Thread Starter 
So, as a short answer to your question, Jane, I found out through blood testing about dd's allergies--the bad ones, anyway. I would much rather find out that way than in real life reactions. Now, there is a very, very, very slight chance that the test results are wrong, but I'd rather not find out right now.
post #397 of 443
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Originally Posted by AmyD
My older son was reacting to everything for some time, so I would tell someone to find me a "dairy-free, corn-free, coconut-free, soy-free" formula, and I would consider it. (which i wouldn't ). But the fact of the matter was that no ABM would meet his needs.
Good one! I'm gonna remember it.
post #398 of 443
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Originally Posted by Pattyla
I can get homogonized paturized grass fed organic milk at the grocery store. Not sure what the non-homogonized cows are eating but I expect at least some grain.

I think I have a working yougart contraption!!! The temp has gone a bit high but stayed under 120 so that is ok, right? My maker should be here tomorrow but we were nearly out of yougart now.

I can't beleive I have to wait another week for the book. UGH! Anyone have any good deserty ideas that don't use nuts? We all need a treat but I'm not having any luck finding recipes that look any good. The cheese cake wasn't good. And we are sick of applesauce but unsure what else we can move on to at this point. HELP!!!
Yikes, that's harder to choose - homogenized pastured milk vs. non homogenized grain fed milk?

I guess the grass fed is always preferable since the fats are of better quality, but homogenizing them does degrade them.

I've heard that a bit lower, like 117 is the magic number where probiotics start to die.. but also 120. As long as the final product is very very tart, it's probably okay. Can you crack the top a little or something?

The cheesecake is much better, more like the real stuff, made with dripped yogurt than DCCC, but it's takes a while. Isn't there an apple yogurt pie in BTVC? I've never tried it though. What about the pumpkin pie recipe? Use dripped yogurt in that so it's not so tart. Sauteed apples with butter and cinnamon/nutmeg is good.
post #399 of 443
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Originally Posted by firefaery
We use homeopathy for EVERYTHING. It's great in a gut healing program. Homeopathy can create a real shift, plus it's based on the whole idea is that you shouldn't have any sensitivities to begin with. I really believe that you need a skilled homeopath at your disposal though. I've said it before...I've used it for years. I can help almost anyone with acute conditions, which gut damage is not. I know enough to defer to a doc for constitutional stuff. If you try to treat acutely you're just going to end up chasing symptoms and not truly treating homeopathically.
this is such a coincidence b/c I started DS on coffea cruda for his sleep issues today!!! If I can just solve that one, everything else would be so much better.

DH is putting his foot down about seeing the way expensive Homeopath right now! ARGH
post #400 of 443
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Originally Posted by tweetybirds2
I'm just thinking outloud here, trying to put puzzle pieces together.

Okay, so how do I figure out what it is. I was leaning toward low stomach acid. I don't know a whole lot about the role of stomach acid though, I know it helps break down food and digestion, right? Then I was thinking the problem might be gallstones, or bile problem, cause we need good bile to help digest fats and all that. So I don't know for sure what my problem is, I don't go to doctors much.
I just want to figure out all the stuff I can do to help these things, though I'm not sure if my problem is both, or one or the other.
I wish I had a see through body to see all my organs.
Yeah, tell me about it!

The test for low stomach acid is to take several betaine HCI pills with a regular meal. If you don't get reflux/heartburn, you might really need the extra acid.

But I don't know why people have low stomach acid naturally, I mean beyond medications and such.
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