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post #41 of 443
I would start one thing at a time, then after 2 or 3 days add a new thing.

I rush things and push the limits of progress as much as possible. Some people wait a week to try new things....not me...I am in a hurry!

I haven't read the homeopathy book. But I want to...

I wish we had a local homeopath I could trust. I am such a beginner with homeopathy. I have about 30 remedies that I use regularly, but I don't think I have enough knowlegde of homeopathy to "cure autism" or "heal the gut" with what I know now.

A lot of my remedies are one size fits all, like rescue remedy, teething tablets, euphrasia, etc. If I have to know specifics that won't work because my son doesn't communicate to me about his health. It would be the equivalent of doing homeopathy for pets...because ds won't tell me too much how he is feeling day to day.
post #42 of 443
You don't really need to know specifics, observation works really well for kiddos. I just got a new constitutional remedy for dd today. THe way it works is that it looks at her whole picture (screaming and demanding things-then throwing them away, scolding others, independance, better when cool, hating blankets etc.) Then if there's two or three remedies that fit her constitutionally, one of them will generally deal with gut issues. You don't pick a remedy based on gut issues-make sense? Ultimately the one theat most fit her also deals with gut issues, vomitting, and skin erupations-all of which she has. So we know it's a good remedy. It is, unfortunately important to have a good homeopath when you're starting out.
post #43 of 443

Sweet potatoes or ketchup (especially the high fructose corn syrup variety) would be a nightmare for DS! Even when he was doing better those sorts of things would produce an immediate reaction.

Definately do the acidophilus, see how you react after several days to a week, then start very slowly on the Peptizyde, that stuff is strong.

I have a rec for a very good homeopath, I just want to read Amy Lansky's book first so I know a little more about what we are about to undertake. I find the classical approach very interesting.
post #44 of 443
We suspected I had celiac disease for awhile, in fact when my LC met me it was one of the first things she said. I of course ignored her, continued having digestive problems so severe I was often homebound and if I did leave (this sounds strange-but not if you know the whole story!) I couldn't ride in a car with anyone else. I had intestinal pain, cramping and diarrhea every day. I gained a ton of weight for no apparent reason. Those were the main things. But then I had dd and she clearly had allergies form go. She was failure to thrive until she was 15 or 16 months when a family doc who also happens to be an herbalist contacted me (I was seeing another doc in her practice, but she wasn't taking new patients) and took me on as a patient. The moment she saw dd she told me she had celiac disease, and by that point probably plenty of other allergies. So we tested. At first it was negative, nobody told me you have to be consuming gluten for it to be positive. We had cut it out months before. We did a different test and the results required further prodding, so we did a genetic test. At that point she had yeast overgrowth, some significant deficiencies, and a badly damaged gut. I wasn't in great shape either! SCD really helped us.
post #45 of 443
Originally Posted by Bestbirths
I haven't read the homeopathy book. But I want to...
What book is this? I would like to ceck it out too. (Like I really need *another* book sitting in my pile of "when I have time to read . . . "

Originally Posted by JaneS
Sweet potatoes or ketchup (especially the high fructose corn syrup variety) would be a nightmare for DS! Even when he was doing better those sorts of things would produce an immediate reaction.
See, now this just makes me feel so ! Jane you ought to write "The Idiot's Guide to Food Intolerances!" I'd be your first buyer!
post #46 of 443
Please bear with this uninformed question. I haven't got the SCD book, I'm still trying to figure out if I might get it or not. But for 2 days I've 'tried out' SCD eating (not the intro diet, just based on the legal/illegal list) and I feel totally nauseated and have a horrible headache. My feeling is that this is because the protein/carb ratio is not right - I get exactly the same symptoms if I try to do a high-protein diet or even The Zone or something, which is only moderately high-protein.

The question is, how do you get enough carbs into the SCD? Even eating bananas, plenty of veggies and fruit juice, I feel bad. Is SCD a (fairly) high-protein diet?

I know there are sometimes introductory symptoms like 'die-off' but I'm really sure this is to do with protein/carb ratio.

Sorry, I'm sure I should just read the book but.....
post #47 of 443
I'll just jump in here with my .02. SCD can be high protein, but it can also be low protein. You are setting your own pace. I did is as a low-ish protein diet because I'm not all that fond of animal products (I was vegan before starting) You can do it as a vegan, but I couldn't for allergy reasons. You get plenty of carbs from fruits, veggies, nuts and beans. It is not a low carb diet, just a specific carb diet. As with any diet it can be done less than healthfully...you need to be reasonable and make sure you are getting alot of fruits and veggies along with the meats. My reaction to what you're saying (and saying that you had it before doing other diets) is that you are probably experiencing die-off or withdrawal. They both can manifest as hunger, headaches, dizziness and/or nausea. It shouldn't (in my experience) last more than two weeks...why don't you post what you are actually consuming in a day. That way we can give some informal feedback on your intake. Good Luck!
post #48 of 443
I should also say that I was MISERABLE for the first week of the diet. I felt that I wasn't getting enough food (which is absurd-nothing is limited and you eat to your fill, and I was!) I just couldn't kick the headache, nausea and hunger. I know now that for me it wasn't so much die-off, it was withdrawal. When you are even moderately allergic to a food it produces a histamine response (much like drugs or ciggarettes) It actually messes with the opiate receptors in the brain. You may crave the food, you may not register it that way. For me, I didn't necessarily NEED wheat, I just felt as though I was starving and a bowl of pasta would have helped immensely. The one thing that is for sure is that you will feel horrid until your body gets past it. And FWIW I really didn't know back then that I really had a gluten issue. The diet is what confirmed it in my case. I also know now that I can't do dairy in any form-raw, fermented, nothing. This diet really helps you attune to your bodies needs. It takes a bit to get past it, but it's totally worth it.
post #49 of 443
Thanks for the replies. It could be a withdrawal thing. I'm partly just checking it out because I'm bfing, so I want to make sure I wouldn't be in ketosis on the diet etc. I'm vegetarian so I guess that would tend to lower my protein intake, but - how do you afford enough fruit and veggies to get enough calories???? Lots of lentils I guess! (My appetite is huge bc of nursing.)

Anyway, I just discovered my local library has Breaking the vicious cycle so I'll go and get it this afternoon, give it a few days' study and thought and then maybe try it for real and report back with questions etc.
post #50 of 443
Winter squashes are great sources of carbs.... baked and topped with cinnamon and honey, roasted with olive oil and rosemary, or in a soup with curry

Fruit smoothies with frozen fruit is an easy way to get in some carbs.

There are online sites (fitday?) where you can input your food and it will tell you carb counts. I think Faery is right when she describes the die off symptoms though.

Make sure you are getting enough fats too, I had this problem when I was on a standard Elimination Diet.

Just for the record, Elaine said you can be vegetarian while SCD but not vegan:
post #51 of 443
Originally Posted by JaneS
Just for the record, Elaine said you can be vegetarian while SCD but not vegan:
I followed the link, her reasoning seems to be that you won't get enough protein otherwise. Do you think, though, that she might be out of date on this one? AFAIK, scientists used to believe that protein needs were way higher than they are, and from what I've read, we all hopelessly overconsume protein in the USA.

Anyway, I do eat eggs but not cheese, but with yoghurt and some pulses too it seems to me it would be hard not to get enough protein on SCD. Or does she argue elsewhere that you need extra protein in cases where the gut is compromised? Perhaps the book will reveal all..... On my way to the lib.
post #52 of 443
It was pretty out of date. I did the math and could have easily done it as a vegan between beans and nuts, also veggies like broccoli have a good amount of protein in them. Unfortunately starting out I had to eliminate beans and most nuts...so I couldn't have done it.
post #53 of 443
I'm NOT the one to ask on the safety and healthfulness of a vegan diet since I believe it was one of the central issues that led me down this horrible path.

Cholesterol is essential to the immune system, as well as heavy metal detox which a number of us seem to have a problem with.

As are vitamins A & D found only in animal products.

I think Faery's post hits on the head though... a damaged gut cannot handle breaking down these advanced foods, and indeed does not even absorb what it should.
post #54 of 443
That's exactly it, Jane. I feel so much better without animal foods, but with a damaged gut I definitely wasn't getting what I needed. I like Jordan Rubin's take on veganism...that it is great three or for months every year as a sort of cleanse. I think that once I'm back to health I will employ that. I would never give up CLO though, especially while nursing or pregnant. I'm not sure about the A and D thing yet...I do believe that unless you have a healthy gut you absolutely need the more available forms in animal products, and I do think kids need animal products as well. Still learning...still reading...
post #55 of 443
The Long Hollow Tube: A Primer on the Digestive System
By Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig, PhD

This is a huge and very interesting article, I'm only quoting some of my favorite points. At bottom of it, a description of all the stuff that can go wrong and an interesting discussion of possible causes of constipation (mineral deficiency).

There are actually more nerve cells in the overall digestive system than in the peripheral nervous system. Furthermore, major neurotransmitters found in the brain—including serotonin, dopamine, glutamate, norepinephrine and nitric oxide—occur plentifully in the gut as well. Enkephalins—described as the body’s natural opiates—also occur in the intestinal tract, as do benzodiazepines, psychoactive chemicals similar to mood-controlling drugs like Valium and Xanax...


Many modern foods, such as processed milk products, breads and soy foods, are extremely difficult to digest; but traditional preparation methods made food easy to digest and facilitated assimilation of nutrients. They include:

Preparation of grains by soaking and sour leavening to neutralize difficult-to-digest components and nutrient blockers.

Long soaking and cooking, or even fermentation, of legumes.

Fermentation of many types of tubers, such as casava.

Lacto-fermention of condiments and beverages to provide beneficial bacteria for the digestive tract.

Consumption of protein foods (meat, eggs, fish and milk products) with plenty of fat.

Use of gelatin-rich bone broths. Gelatin acts not only to bring food into contact with digestive juices, it also soothes the intestinal wall.

Cooking of most vegetables (and even some fruits) to neutralize toxins and break down cell walls.

Proper aging of meat to initiate the breakdown of protein. With proper aging and/or fermentation, meat is quite digestible either raw or carefully cooked at low temperature.

Soaking and/or roasting of nuts to remove irritants and toxins.


Nutrients for the Digestive Tract

Vitamin A, our favorite vitamin, is absolutely critical to the health of the intestinal mucosa. Without sufficient vitamin A, the mucous membranes become hardened and, paradoxically, more easily penetrated, leading to “leaky gut, ” ulceration and irritable bowel syndrome. Vitamin A is also necessary for the assimilation of minerals and protein and plays an important role in the repair process. It has been used successfully to treat gastritis. Best sources are cod liver oil followed by liver and other organ meats, and butterfat and egg yolks from grassfed animals.

Vitamin B Complex is important for fat metabolism and liver health; B vitamins play a role in the production of bile. They are necessary to maintain muscle tone, stimulate digestive secretions, support the nervous system and ensure normal carbohydrate metabolism. We recommend Frontier brand nutritional yeast as a supplement along with a diet of whole foods to ensure adequate B vitamins.

Vitamin C complex contributes to the health of all the epithelial cells as well as the integrity of the blood vessels that nourish the intestinal tract. Vitamin C is necessary for biochemical repair. Lacto-fermented fruits and vegetables are especially good sources.

Vitamin D plays a role in fighting inflammation and strengthening the immune system, as well as in the assimilation of calcium and other important minerals. Crohn’s disease is associated with vitamin D deficiency. Best sources are cod liver oil, lard from pastured pigs, oily fish, fish eggs, shellfish, and butterfat and egg yolks from grassfed animals.

Vitamin E is needed for muscle tone and a healthy nervous system. Deficiency has been linked to digestive problems such as peptic ulcers, colitis, constipation and cancer of the colon. Best sources are small amounts cold-pressed oils (too much polyunsaturated oil can deplete vitamin E), whole grains, butter and other animal fats and a supplement of wheat germ oil.

Protein is necessary for the maintenance of the mucous membrane in the stomach, particularly the amino acids cystine, lysine and arginine. Deficiency leads to muscular weakness and many other problems. Bone broths are an excellent source of arginine, and cystine and lysine occur in meat, milk and eggs.

Phosphatidylcholine (PC) has been studied by German researchers who found that PC is highly beneficial to the mucosal lining of the digestive tract, preventing or healing lesions and reducing the incidence of stomach ache. They found that PC was more effective than nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID) in reducing gastric mucosal lesions. The researchers used PC derived from soy, but the best dietary sources are egg yolks and butter.

CoEnzyme Q10 is critical for healthy muscles. The importance of good muscle tone is often overlooked in discussions about digestion. The best source is meat, especially heart.

plays a role in intestinal health. The cells lining the digestive tract are particularly rich in cholesterol. Cholesterol is also the precursor to bile. It is provided only by animal foods.

Salt is key to digestion. Salt provides chloride for hydrochloride, necessary for the digestion of protein; and salt activates an enzyme needed for the digestion of carbohydrates. [Jane note: get good sea salt, there is NO issue with high blood pressure as it contains all natural minerals and mixes properly with the blood, unlike processed salt which does cause edema. My current favorite is Redmond.]

Calcium prevents cramps and spasms, protects against inflammation and supports both the muscles and the nervous system. Best sources are raw dairy products and bone broths.

Potassium supports the nervous system and connective tissue, as well as the production of hydrochloric acid. Best sources are meats, whole grains and vegetables.

Zinc deficiencies have been associated with problems of fat metabolism, inflammatory bowel disease and Crohn’s disease. Best sources are red meat and oysters.

Beneficial Bacteria
help maintain a healthy ecosystem in the gut. Best dietary sources are natural yoghurt and lacto-fermented condiments and beverages. Supplements such as Primal Defense from Garden of Life can help repopulate the digestive tract very quickly in cases of digestive disorders.


Coconut Oil for Digestion

Coconut oil is rich in medium-chain fatty acids that provide unique benefits for the digestive process. They have anti-microbial properties; that is, they fight against pathogenic viruses, yeasts, bacteria and parasites in the gut. These special fats are also the preferred food for beneficial bacteria in the colon.

For those who have gall bladder problems and difficulty in digesting fats, coconut oil can be very useful because the medium-chain fatty acids do not need to be acted on by the bile salts. And for those who have trouble digesting milk and cream, coconut milk and coconut cream can serve as substitutes.

Best of all, the body uses the medium-chain fatty acids for energy and rarely stores them as fat. Coconut oil aids digestion and boosts metabolism—wonderful benefits that come in a delicious package.
post #56 of 443
Man you're quick! Thanks!
post #57 of 443
Thread Starter 
Amy, a couple more questions about your cocnut milk yogurt.
Do you add honey to the milk? Someone on the thread, (sorry, I don't remmeber who), suggested that honey may be needed so the bacteria would grow.
Also, how runny does it turn out? I think mine was along the lines of buttermilk.
post #58 of 443
Wow! So much information here.

I want to ask you wise mamas what you think of this:I started a new thread of ?s about enzyme deficiencies

Hope some of you can speak to this.

post #59 of 443
Been posting this link in other threads but may as well post it here too:

Natural Vitamin A is NOT toxic. The studies showing toxicity were done on retinol, the chemical version of Vitamin A.

A key player in this fascinating story is Weston A. Price, who discovered that the diets of healthy traditional peoples contained at least ten times as much vitamin A as the American diet of his day. His work revealed that vitamin A is one of several fat-soluble activators present only in animal fats and necessary for the assimilation of minerals in the diet. He noted that the foods held sacred by the peoples he studied, such as spring butter, fish eggs and shark liver, were exceptionally rich in vitamin A...

While the ongoing process of research into vitamin A and its effects is a boon to children and adults throughout the world, modern agriculture and food processing conglomerates gain nothing from this knowledge. Confinement farming practices effectively prevent vitamin A from incorporation into animal foods and the processing industry would rather use vegetable oils than animal fats. Some vegetable oils contain carotenes but they do not contain true vitamin A. Only animal fats contain vitamin A and vitamin A is present in large amounts only when the animals have a source of carotenes or vitamin A in the diet, such as green pasture, insects and fish meal.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of popular books on nutrition insist that humans can obtain vitamin A from fruits and vegetables. Even worse, FDA regulations allow food processors to label carotenes as vitamin A. The label for a can of tomatoes says that tomatoes contain vitamin A, even though the only source of true vitamin A in the tomatoes is the microscopic insect parts. The food industry, and the lowfat school of nutrition that the industry has spawned, benefit greatly from the fact that the public has only vague notions about vitamin A. In fact, most of the foods that provide large amounts of vitamin A—butter, egg yolks, liver, organ meats and shellfish—have been subject to intense demonization.

Under optimal conditions, humans can indeed convert carotenes to vitamin A. This occurs in the upper intestinal tract by the action of bile salts and fat-splitting enzymes. Of the entire family of carotenes, beta-carotene is most easily converted to vitamin A. Early studies indicated an equivalency of 4:1 of beta-carotene to retinol. In other words, four units of beta-carotene were needed to produce one unit of vitamin A. This ratio was later revised to 6:1 and recent research suggests an even higher ratio.5 This means that you have to eat an awful lot of vegetables and fruits to obtain even the daily minimal requirements of vitamin A, assuming optimal conversion...

Carotenes are converted by the action of bile salts, and very little bile reaches the intestine when a meal is low in fat. The epicure who puts butter on his vegetables and adds cream to his vegetable soup is wiser than he knows. Butterfat stimulates the secretion of bile needed to convert carotenes from vegetables into vitamin A, and at the same time supplies very easily absorbed true vitamin A. Polyunsaturated oils also stimulate the secretion of bile salts but can cause rapid destruction of carotene unless antioxidants are present.

It is very unwise, therefore, to depend on plant sources for vitamin A. This vital nutrient is needed for the growth and repair of body tissues; it helps protect mucous membranes of the mouth, nose, throat and lungs; it prompts the secretion of gastric juices necessary for proper digestion of protein; it helps to build strong bones and teeth and rich blood; it is essential for good eyesight; it aids in the production of RNA; and contributes to the health of the immune system. Vitamin-A deficiency in pregnant mothers results in offspring with eye defects, displaced kidneys, harelip, cleft palate and abnormalities of the heart and larger blood vessels. Vitamin A stores are rapidly depleted during exercise, fever and periods of stress. Even people who can efficiently convert carotenes to vitamin A cannot quickly and adequately replenish vitamin A stores from plant foods.
post #60 of 443
Originally Posted by mlleoiseau
Amy, a couple more questions about your cocnut milk yogurt.
Do you add honey to the milk? Someone on the thread, (sorry, I don't remmeber who), suggested that honey may be needed so the bacteria would grow.
Also, how runny does it turn out? I think mine was along the lines of buttermilk.
That was me... just like adding honey is needed for making nut milk yogurt.

Very runny is normal... yogurt only gels when the protein matrixes are formed by the action of the lactic acid bacteria. Coconut milk contains little protein, so won't gel like dairy.
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