I got "let go" by my pediatrician *sigh* - Page 3

[crazy_eights]

I have read info (and I forget where, but it was a site that did NOT promote vax) that said there is evidence to suggest that vaccination has caused the wild-type of measles to be more virrulent? When everyone got it, the wild type was more benign, but now we don't get the benign type, but a more virrulent form that has evolved. At least that is how I remember it. MT, maybe you have more info on this?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

No, that's not correct. What has happened is that before the vaccine, children rarely got measles before 18 months because maternal antibodies were very high as a result of good solid natural immunity. Now, maternal antibodies are so low from a vaccine that simply doesn't prime the immune system like natural infection does, that babies are at risk of getting getting measles at a younger and younger age, because maternal antibodies no longer last 15 - 18 months.

The problem with that is that the peripheral blood leukocytes of babies have an enhanced susceptibility to measles virus http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum at an age when naturally, they shouldn't be coming in contact with measles at all.

So if there is even the slightest nutritional or immunological problem these babies are at increased danger from the ordinary same old measles virus, because of the difference between the immune system of a baby and a toddler.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

The other problem is that measles in adolescents or adults is far more dangerous that the typical age pre vaccine which was between the ages of 3 years and 9 years of age. The answer of the medical profession is cradle to coffin boosters.

Money for Jam.

[crazy_eights]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

The other problem is that measles in adolescents or adults is far more dangerous that the typical age pre vaccine which was between the ages of 3 years and 9 years of age. The answer of the medical profession is cradle to coffin boosters.

Kinda' what I thought. And what they are now doing with chicken pox.

[CalebsMama05]

Originally Posted by LongIsland

Here's another misleading statement by the CDC on their website regarding pertussis deaths. We had a troll recently quote the CDC statement (below) and claim that the DTP vax saved 9,000 lives a year:

Before pertussis immunizations were available, nearly all children developed whooping cough. In the U.S., prior to pertussis immunization, between 150,000 and 260,000 cases of pertussis were reported each year, with up to 9,000 pertussis-related deaths.


Instead of stating that there was actually under 1,000 deaths just before the vaccine was licensed, instead the CDC uses the 9,000 death figure . . . the death rate from the early 1920's.

About thirty years prior to the licensure of the vaccine.

They also use the highest number of reported cases (260,000), which was in the 1930's (1935), yet they conveniently leave out the actual number of cases just prior to the licensure of the DTP, which was about 70,000 cases.

The decline in incidence and death was well underway prior to the license and introduction of the vaccine.

wait a second...whooping cough? babies still get that today! babies that are vaxed! that makes up my mind about THAT one...I think i'm just going to get rid of all my sons vaxes. its not like he *needs* them unless he wants to go to college and i'm pretty sure that by then he can make up his OWN mind what he wants to put into his body. I shudder some of the vaccines i got as a kid and didn't have a choice about.

[wednesday]

Originally Posted by CalebsMama05

its not like he *needs* them unless he wants to go to college

Maybe not even then...in my state at least, the exemptions that are allowed for daycare or public school apply to colleges as well.

[rabrog]

Why are parents so hung up on having a pediatrician? No offense intended, I just don't get it.

There's only one in our town that is for delayed vax and he has a waiting list.

We use a family practice doctor. He's my and DH's doctor, handled my pregnancy with DD and is cool with our not vaxing.

I suggest looking at a family practice group.

Jenn