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post #21 of 27
-what boundaries must be "enforced" when it comes to my kids consuming foods that I consider inappropriate? How do I decide how much of what is acceptable and do I make it a clear rule, or is it always open for discussion?

I will add that the way Ms. Satter addresses these issues in her books is to say that it is up to the parent to choose the food and how much of it go give to the child. It is up to the child to decide when to eat and how much. The key is putting something at each meal that you know your child will like and eat. That may vary from day to day so you may have to ask your child, would you like beans or peas, knowing he will most likely pick one. Then, you put out the food and it is up to him to eat what he chooses. You do not prepare different meals from everyone else. But, if you know for sure that your children are not going to eat foods all combined together, then prepare them separately for your child. Example: I just make a huge pot of minestrone soup. My nearly 3 year old will not eat soup. So, I separated some of the beans (which she loves) aside while cooking and put that in the fridge for her. She got a bowl of beans with parmesan cheese for dinner while dh and I had our soup with parmesan cheese. I also set aside some of the carrots for her to eat raw since I know she will not eat them cooked. (There are carrots in the soup) She also had some of the wheat bread we all had with dinner. See? She got a healthy dinner but I did not have to prepare a different meal.

As for deciding what is acceptable and how much of it to eat, well again it is up to you to make that decision. For example, my child loves Goldfish crackers. She would eat a whole box if allowed. So, I only buy them once in a while. I give her a handful or so once or twice a day and I don't worry that she is eating relatively a lot of that because I only buy them once in a while. And, I think of her nutrition over the course of a week, not a day. The philosophy behind the last sentence comes from Satter's books. She says that little ones eat a lot one day and not so much for the next day or two or maybe they eat a lot three days in a row.......They just don't eat as regularly as we adults do so why should we regulate their meals the same way we do ours?

Anyway, read the books. Child of mine came first, I think, but they are both awesome! They are must haves for every GD healthy eating family.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by sanguine_speed
If she asks for it and I say no, then I am controling what she eats. But it would not be reasonable to handle this by not keeping the food in the house, because it's appropriate to serve it sometimes. Just because it's not "served" at dinner does not mean she will not ask for it.

If she asks, and I say "no", then I'm exercising my power over her and disallowing her from choosing what she eats.

I would like to hear from others who have preschoolers on this.
I seriously dont lie. My child knows fully well when we have something and do not have it. And it doesnt stop me from telling him "no more".
I dont have to lie. I just tell him no.
He would eat cheese slices all day long if I let him. But after 2 I tell him that he may not have any more cheese because too much is not good for his body would he like an apple instead.
Yes that is controlling what choices are availible.
I have no problem with this.
I think the key is either to accept that it is well and good to share control and accept i, or to make the decision to let go and truly trust your child to have full control.
I dont think you can control without controlling. Even if you are choosing what you purchase, that STILL is exercising power over her and disallowing her from choosing what she eats. (because she knows you buy food at the store and you could buy some if you wanted to, but she cant because she doesnt drive or have access to money)

Good luck,
Joline
post #23 of 27
I'm not sure how well my approach will be accepted here, but we stumbled onto it by accident.

My dad was moving and offered us his small office fridge. We took it, not knowing what we'd do with it. Fast forward 10 months, and my 18 month old daughter is snacking. Having already discussed how we wanted to handle eating in our house (no "eat a bite of this or you're not done", allowing the child to eat as much/little of what was offered as they wanted, only offering what we were comfortable with them eating, etc), we decided to experiment a bit with the fridge. So we stuck it in the kitchen and put her sippy cups and some snacks in it.

We had an idea that for the first few days, it would be a huge mess as she experimented with her power, and we were right. We only stuck easily cleaned up snacks in there (tortillas, carrots, etc) and didn't get angry as she rearranged the shelves and where items were on the shelves for the 99th time. After a few days, the fridge was normal and she trusts that it is her space.

I only put snacks in there that I am comfortable with her having. No ice cream, no cookies, etc. She always has a water cup and a milk cup in there, but the juice cup is only in there at my discretion. I also decide what is in there. Right now it's chicken, orange slices, carrots, a tortilla and cheese slices. It rotates and I only put in as much as I am comfortable with her eating. (I only have 6 small slices of cheese in right now.) Also, leftovers from the night before sometimes find their way in there.

It's amazing how much your children will regulate themselves if given healthy choices from the beginning. For example, my SIL saw how well this was working for us and tried it with her children. They have a very controlling parenting approach. It was a disaster. Her kids went crazy because they weren't used to the freedom and she didn't ease into it. Food was everywhere. They were gorging. And she put cookies in the fridge. After two days she declared our child a freak of nature and said we were just lucky our parenting style had worked up until now.

About visiting/eating out. Visiting, I always take options and let her pick from what's offered. Like a PP said, I don't think once in awhile will hurt her, but she also has no allergies/sensitivities. If she did, it would be something that I would regulate. If she wanted something that everyone else was having, I'd tell her why that wasn't an option and find another appealing option (although nothing is as appealing as what you can't have). If you're going on a sensitivity-hunting expedition, it would be smart to limit visits that offer your sensitivity-suspects until you have it figured out.

Eating out, we always make sure there's a side that she can enjoy (rice, pasta, etc) and she gets her own small meal. If she doesn't eat it, it comes home and goes in her fridge.

HTH!

Edit: I forgot about meals. Meals are pretty relaxed. We put the food out, put a little of everything on her plate, and let her eat what she wants. She's not hungry? She doesn't have to eat. She wants fifths? Fine. The interesting thing about this is that if she's not hungry at dinner, she's not been snacking all day. And if she's starving at dinner, she's been snacking all day. She really does eat what she needs, when she needs it. She eats like a toddler hitting growth spurts and then staying steady for awhile.

Supplement if you're worried.
post #24 of 27
We don't plan on having "food rules" , as we strive to be consensual in that matter too -- Of course, the exception is if our daughter was seriously allergic to something (like peanuts for instance), we couldn't give that as an option knowing it would send her to the emergency room. Food sensitivities are another matter. I feel that *most* children are very good regulators if they are allowed to be (I said most).

To a certain age we will be making her food choices simply because she cannot verbalize to what what she may want at the grocery store and such. Also, finances are an issue too, so when she does get older, we will have to explain that we have a budget and literally don't have the money to spend $200 a week and so forth --

Barring those things, she is free to eat anything we have in the home except for illegal substances like wine or beer.... we will give her input on what we buy, and I will make her foods she prefers at meals -- provided it is agreeable for the whole family (my husband and I are pretty easy about food)...

Consensual living doesn't mean the child gets everything they want at all times no matter how anyone else feels or thinks. That is where mutually agreeable solutions come in. Solutions that meet the needs and hopefully the wants of all parties involved. We shop mainly at healthfood stores so even the "junk" there is healthier than what most people eat on a daily basis (most of the snack foods don't contain artificial colors or preservatives, or partially hydrogenated oils etc) ... and we would be willing to purchase those foods if our daughter requested -- again, provided we could come to a mutually agreeable solution -- (for example, purchasing $50 worth of snack foods when our food budget for the week is $75 would not be agreeable, feesible, or healthy at all for my husband, myself or our daughter)

I don't see it as an issue. I know people can "what if" all day long and that is inevitably going to happen, but as it stands now, we are really easy about food. No "one more bites" no "you don't get dessert until you eat", no "I already made dinner and if you don't want it you get no food until the next meal", no "you didn't eat your snack so you can't have another one later" ... none of that...
post #25 of 27
Niamh, that is an amazing idea! Thank you!

We've gone really slow with DS and food, because I am doing everything in my power to keep him from the environmental and food-based allergies and sensitivities that I and DH have. So there's stuff in the fridge that he doesn't yet get, and when he has gotten into the fridge, he just wants to throw all the condiment bottles onto the floor, which I do not appreciate.

So the ice tray with foods idea doesn't work for us, since i'm not willing to go through the process of his tearing apart the fridge.

But THIS idea would work, him having his own fridge! Very very cool. Thanks.
post #26 of 27
In my experience with ds (4.5) and not limiting foods, he will not eat an exclusive diet for more than a couple of days. If we haven't had ice cream in a while, he may eat a lot the first day. The second day, he will ask for it a lot, but not actually eat much. He still doesn't like to eat multiple foods at a meal so I just put cut up fruit, or whatever I think would balance out his diet, near him when I think he may be ready for a snack. But if he asks for wheat bread for the third time, I give it to him and know he will likely want something different tomorrow.
post #27 of 27
We are actually very, very noncoercive about food, although some might say we are not in that there are many foods that DD does not currently know to exist. (She is two.) That's not because we buy them and hide them, though. We didn't buy cookies or ice cream or potato chips before she was born, and we don't buy them now either.

Anyway, I do cook special meals for her, I guess, but that's because we often eat very odd, spicy, or challenging food that I could not reasonably expect a 2yo to eat. I offer her options--quesadilla or bean soup? Carrots or broccoli? Apple or banana? Would you like some toast? She also can ask for something and we will give it to her; she usually knows about what we have on hand. We just put it on her tray, and then she then eats as much or as little as she chooses, and ask for more or to get down or whatever. She actually eats remarkably well (she loves legumes, whole grains, and fruits and veggies) and although we have given her sweets on occasion, she is uninterested in them. She didn't want her chocolate birthday cake, actually! Time will tell, of course...

The only problem we have run into so far with this is that on occasion, she hardly eats anything at dinner time, out of distraction, and then wakes up and asks for food in the middle of the night. This is aggravating to us. We have handled it by being slightly more proactive about encouraging her to eat at dinner, but so much less so than most people do that I don't even think most people would perceive it as anything at all, if that makes sense. (Basically we just offer a few more times and offer a few more options. This is out of the norm since we normally completely follow her lead.)

I certainly hope to continue in this vein as she gets older, but I'm a little nervous about this streak of luck so far.
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