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Two month old NEEDS circumcision because foreskin is too tight?

post #1 of 51
Thread Starter 
Is this possibly true? My sil is being told this. The family doc they see forcibly retracted (sil said "stretched" I dont know if she retracted or pulled the foreskin sideways maybe?)him and RIPPED the foreskin and told sil she could do this to him everyday instead or circumcise.

HOW do they know its too tight? They asked if he has trouble peeing, the answer is no. It SHOULDNT be able to be retracted yet, so what is making them say this? Two docs so far have said its too tight, circumcise. NOw the whole family, except me and dh, are saying "told you so" to sil and brother.

I told them to hold off until I could research a little cuz the doc who retracted him sounds like a quack to me!

Suggestions, opinions, experiances?? HELP!
post #2 of 51
Poor baby. Stuff like this really scares me. I feel like I will have to protect my baby's privates from the second he is born. Sorry not much advice to offer but it will be interesting to hear what the expert opinions will be. Is it really that difficult to find a medical professional that's capable of taking care of an intact infant?
post #3 of 51
: wanting to know what experts say too!
post #4 of 51
The other regulars to this board will be able to help you more, but let me just tell you, without a doubt:

THAT CHILD DOES NOT NEED TO BE CIRCUMCISED!!!!!

It is perfectly normal and expected for the foreskin of a 2 month old to be fused to the head (glans) and for the hole (preputial sphincter) to be tight. If the child can urinate freely, THERE IS NO PROBLEM.

That doctor has no idea what he's talking about. He truly doesn't.

Retraction, especially continued retraction, can cause damage and scar tissue, leading to problems down the road. That little boy's foreskin needs to be left alone to retract on its own time. That may be at 5 months or it may be at 18 years old. Any age is normal. If he should become sexually active and it still doesn't retract, circumcision is STILL NOT REQUIRED. There are simple, non-painful stretching exercises that take about two weeks, which would allow him to have normal retraction.
post #5 of 51
Assuming they would consider the American Academy of Pediatrics experts, this page should be helpful:


Summary at the end says:

Care of the uncircumcised boy is quite easy. ``Leave it alone'' is good advice. External washing and rinsing on a daily basis is all that is required. Do not retract the foreskin in an infant, as it is almost always attached to the glans. Forcing the foreskin back may harm the penis, causing pain, bleeding, and possibly adhesions. The natural separation of the foreskin from the glans may take many years. After puberty, the adult male learns to retract the foreskin and cleanse under it on a daily basis.
post #6 of 51

I PEE FREELY-in the famous words of Bart Simpson

the forskin is attatched the head by nature/god depending on ur outlook.


it should NEVER be retracted and any pediatrician or dr who attempts this has no idea how to care for an intact boy.

The boy should be the first and only person to ever retract his forskin until he becomes sexually active.

It's not the parents job, and it's not the dr's job.

Retracting the forskin lets that raw sensitive tissue known as the glans/head be exposed to outside elements and germs. It will cause an infection.

Even if it gets infected that infection can still be treated with anti-biotics.






IF THE KID PEES FREELY, AND DOES NOT CRY WHEN HE PEES, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG, AND IF HE IS CRYING WHEN HE PEES IT USUALLY MEANS HE NEEDS ANTI-BIOTICS, NOT COSMETIC SURGERY.


experts commence.....
post #7 of 51

AAP care of uncircumcised.

I would print off a few of these and give them to your SIL to give to all those who are saying I told you so. That doctor is woefully ignorant and needs educating, they should make a complaint as he is probably damaging many intact little boys by his terrible advice.

http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_d...DD&sub_cat=108

"What Is Foreskin Retraction?

Sometime during the first several years of your son's life, his foreskin, which covers the head of the penis, will separate from the glans. Some foreskins separate soon after birth or even before birth, but this is rare. When it happens is different for every child. It may take a few weeks, months or years.

After the foreskin separates from the glans, it can be pulled back away from the glans toward the abdomen. This is called foreskin retraction.

Most boys will be able to retract their foreskins by the time they are 5 years old, yet others will not be able to until the teenage years. As a boy becomes more aware of his body, he will most likely discover how to retract his own foreskin. But foreskin retraction should never be forced. Until separation occurs, do not try to pull the foreskin back — especially an infant's. Forcing the foreskin to retract before it is ready may severely harm the penis and cause pain, bleeding and tears in the skin. "
post #8 of 51
DANGER DANGER DANGER!

When I read the title of your post, I wondered "How do they 'know' it's too tight, did they retract him?" And then I see that yes, they did.
And they damaged him. She shouldn't be circumcising, she should be SUING for malpractice.

Nobody will know if his foreskin is too tight until he's well into his teen years. And at that point there are things to be done that are less harmful and radical than circumcision.

She needs to run from this doctor and report him to the state medical board. He is dangerous.

What the heck does "too tight" mean? Not retractile? It's not supposed to be retractile yet! That it doesn't move side-to-side? What the heck is this doctor doing?

Please have your sister consult doctorsopposingcircumcision.org as soon as possible for a more informed opinion.

-Lindsay
post #9 of 51
Oh I'm mad.



That pediatrician is WAY out of line. Lula's Mom posted the link to the guidelines set by the AAP for care of the intact penis and this doctor blatantly went against them. With this knowledge I hope she has the courage to blow the whistle.

If the foreskin tore it sounds like this doctor set her son up for some problems down the road............ and the skeptic in me jumps to the conclusion that he is recommending Circimcision to cover their mistake. If he is circumcised they will never know will they?

Can you print out information from NOCIRC and give it to your sister. Here is the link http://www.nocirc.org/publish/
#4 #6 and #7 seem particularly appropriate. Pamphlet #6 is about premature forced retraction. Mostly is says that if you leave it alone then it will probably heal just fine. But in small print somewhere there is a contact number given because nocirc knows that forced premature retraction is wrong and wants to know about any incidences. Quirky also has the name of a lawyer who has offered to be of assistance to those who have been wronged...... if I am not mistaken this is a generous offer of his skills to help others.

I would worry very much that any expert she sees might also recommend circumcision mostly because most "Experts" are also surgeons.......... and experts in knowledge of the foreskin seem to be fewer than hens teeth in this country..........(as well as experts in female genitalia I might add - but that's another story).

I so hope and pray that your sis is not scared into immediate action and can find her peace of mind to become more informed. Eventually I hope that doctor hears an earful.
post #10 of 51
All the other posters gave far more detail, because all I have to say is she needs to RUN away from that quack. (and then file complaints everywhere she can think of) Her poor baby!
post #11 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devaskyla
All the other posters gave far more detail, because all I have to say is she needs to RUN away from that quack. (and then file complaints everywhere she can think of) Her poor baby!
:

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS BABY!!!!! The foreskin is supposed to be adhered to the glans in an infant. It helps to protect the glans from the urine and feces in a diaper.

On the other hand, there is plenty wrong with that doctor. He knows NOTHING about caring for an intact baby. She should report him before he does any more damage.
post #12 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by KBinSATX
Poor baby. Stuff like this really scares me. I feel like I will have to protect my baby's privates from the second he is born. Sorry not much advice to offer but it will be interesting to hear what the expert opinions will be. Is it really that difficult to find a medical professional that's capable of taking care of an intact infant?

Emphasis mine. BELIEVE IT. You will most likely have to do just that. Read Frank's warning. I very nearly got into a fight with a clueless ped over my son's foreskin!


lizzie
post #13 of 51
Thread Starter 
Well, they really dont WANT to circ, but they are now scared that they HAVE to. It was a male pediatrican that initially said it was too tight, so to get a second opinion sil went to her family doc who is female and it was the woman, not even a pediatrican either, who forcibly retracted him. She agreed not to do anything until we can research it further and is coming over sunday to do so. I have tons to show her, I have bookmarked several sites today all backing up my original reacation that the docs are both wrong. Itsjust that with TWO saying it, it makes it seem official or something. AFter talking with her though, she now is going to schedule an apt with another pediatrican. She said after the appointment with the doc who retracted him, she threw up. I imagine so. I cant belive that DOCTORS are doing this. ANd her whole family is telling her told you so because they all thought it should havve been done in the first place. My stepsister also just had a baby and she told our sil that any parent who DOESNT circ is a bad parent. I gave her tons of info about it and she refused to even read it. Butr thats another issue.

Thanks for all the responses, and keep them coming. I will update you after the next doc apt. Im going to go to apconnect and try to find a decent pedi she can take him to!!!
post #14 of 51
AAAAAHHH!!!!



Do the "doctors" know that 2 month old babies are not "supposed" to be retractible!?!?!?

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT HE SHOULD BE RETRACTING THAT CHILD!

The foreskin is supposed to be fused to the head of the penis for quite some time.

What are his reasons for claiming that circumcision needing to be done? There is no way that they can tell whether or not a foreskin is too tight on an infant this age. Forskin and head of penis are almost as one at such an early age. As long as their is a hole in the tip of the forskin for urine to escape, and baby is peeing freely, there is nothing wrong.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT DOCTOR IS PURPOSELY INJURING THAT CHILD'S PENIS BECAUSE HE KNOWS DOING SO WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS THAT HE DEEMS CIRCUMCISION AS "NECESSARY" FOR!!!!! CIRCUMCISION = CHING CHING. $$$$$$$

UGH!!! IT TEES ME OFF!!!

TELL YOU SISTER TO RUN SCREAMING AWAY FROM THAT LOUSY DOCTOR!!
post #15 of 51
Another vote here for WRONG! how disgusting that the people who are supposed to care for us are causing us such harm! Here is some more great info for you:
http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/
http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...uncircson.html

And finally, try to get ahold of these guys to try to find a doc in her area who KNOWS how to care for an intact babe:

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
http://nurses.cirp.org/
http://www.nocirc.org

Good luck!

Tara
post #16 of 51



Stories like this just make me want to do something awful and wipe the slate clean of all incompetent medical "professionals".

So write me down for one more WHOLEHEARTED vote for THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIM, and RUN RUN RUN away from that doctor!!!!!

I also second the advice to contact Doctors Opposing Circumcision. I know they will be a HUGE help, especially if the poor baby's parents feel like the voices of two idiot doctors mean that they are right and you are wrong.

All my prayers and good vibes going out for this poor little baby - I hope he will be saved, and all the other poor little babies who see these docs!!
post #17 of 51
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Frank
post #18 of 51
Send your SIL here to us!!!!!!!!!!
post #19 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anglyn
My stepsister also just had a baby and she told our sil that any parent who DOESNT circ is a bad parent.
Then I am proudly a bad parent.


Your SIL needs to ignore those doctors. Have her print off copies of NOCIRC pamphlets. I made my pediatrician put it in my son's file and gave her a personal copy after she forcibly retracted his foreskin at 2 mos. I'll have you know she's never even touched his penis again. (Nor should she be.)
post #20 of 51
check out this thread for support

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=353865

"The attorney for Doctors Opposing Circumcision, John Geisheker, will send a letter to the doctor/nurse/hospital pro bono (free) on your behalf telling them what they did was wrong and the consequences. It isn't a letter stating you'll sue but it is fully referenced and ought to get their attention."
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