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post #1 of 22
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Here's some background:
DD has a slight bit of excema and is blonde and fair and seems to have some slight allergy to milk. I assume this because when we limit dairy, her excema is not so profound. Still, she only has it on the back of her thighs and no where else.

This is the problem:
Yesterday we went out to eat with my father. DD had some of my green salad with vinaigrette dressing and a roll and some northern bean soup. I've never seen her have a reaction to any of these things before. In fact, the only thing I've ever seen her react to is dairy, and only the excema came of it. She has eaten all sorts of foods and never has this happened.

She went home with my dad as she was staying the night with him. He called me a half hour later to tell me that she seems to be getting red splotches on her face and arms. I had no idea what to think of it, but since he lives almost an hour away, I told him to just keep an eye on it and call back if it worsens.

He called at 1 am to tell me that she awoke crying because it itched and spread almost allover her torso. He said she was asleep again, but that he thought they were hives and was a little freaked. He brought her home in the morning, and she still has spots all over, but not as many. Here are some pictures.


My questions are these:

Are these hives? Is this an allergic reaction to something? What could have caused this? If it was allergies, how can I possibly find out what they are? Should I go back to the restaurant and ask for ingredients? Should I consider something other than food, and if so, what?

I sure hope you guys can give me some ideas. I may make an appt for the ped is it isn't cleared up tomorrow. I put her callendula ointment on it, just to see if it does anything. So any ideas would be helpful.

TIA!
post #2 of 22
Thread Starter 
Well we ended up going to ER since I have little experience with allergies and it was bugging her REALLY bad. She got so upset about it that it seemed to be worse simply because she couldn't calm down, which I'm sure makes perfect sense. She got more upset when I mentioned the hospital (must have picked that up from me)

No fever, but COVERED in hives. So I put calamine lotion on her, and by the time we got to the ER she was fine and most of the hives had cleared up. The doctor wanted to put a topical steriod on but I refused, so they gave us a Rx for some Atarax. Does anyone have an opinion about this drug? I understand that it's an anti-histamine? If anyone has any comments they are welcome. Still not sure what caused the reaction. Thanks
post #3 of 22
http://www.healthsquare.com/newrx/ata1035.htm

I wouldn't use it. Can you get a referral to an allergist? I would do thatASAP b/c that is a pretty severe reaction, imo, and the next one could be much worse.
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your reply. I asked the ER doc if she thought I should get an allergy test done, and she said not unless it happens again. Okay, but I asked if maybe next time the reaction would possibly be worse, in which case I would like to know what I'm dealing with! She said, probably not. Hmmmm. I think I need a second opinion. Thanks for the link, I will take a look!
post #5 of 22
Couple of things:

Atarax is a fast-acting antihistamine, used like benadryl. We use it because our son is allergic to several ingredients in benadryl. It can stop a reaction and can be a necessary standard treatment in the presence of an allergic response. It goes with us everywhere, along with the epi-pens, because our son can die if a reaction is not treated as soon as possible. You don't mess around with hives because that could indicate a systemic reaction that could progress very rapidly.

While your daughter's meal may have seemed fine, there may have been a hidden ingredient--sesame seeds or oil, a spice. I would call the restaurant and request the ingredients, see if there's something new...then definitely contact an allergist. There's a good chance that with that sort of reaction, you might need a 'script for epis. It's better to be safe. Not all anaphylactic responses are immediate.

I think you're right to be so concerned; you don't play around with allergies.

Missy
post #6 of 22
I second going to see an allergist. My ds2 had a reaction of hives from playing with Rye Bread for a Sunday School craft! The Family Doc goes to our church and I had him called out of service to look him over and he suggested allergy testing -- not to wait to see if it happened again.

Note: Blood allergy testing and skin allergy testing have false negatives and are far from perfect, so when you know for sure that X causes skin reaction hives -- stay away from it regardless of what the test say.

I also second getting the ingredients from the restaurant. It should help you narrow down the search for what went wrong.

Also, be sure to check if it was a clothing/ detergent reaction -- sometimes the detergent just doesn't get washed out enough and can cause hives all over, but most of the time it will be localized to the contact points.

Eczema on the back of 1 thigh is the only eczema my ds1 has ever had. And I read that dairy was #1 for Eczema, I didn't cut it out of his diet right away, I took a wait and see approach, it went away and never came back. It was in Feb of 2000.
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you all very much. I will be visiting the restaurant today and will ask them for the ingredient list. I was thinking that I would get the Rx filled for the Atarax to have it on hand for an emergency. And I will be calling our ped to see what he thinks about a referral. Thanks again!
post #8 of 22
Quercetin is a supplement that blocks the histamine response and is VERY safe for kiddos. We keep it with us always because of allergies. In fact, thankfully we had it for a brand new reaction in dd recently. I highly recommend it. DEFINITELY call the restaurant. It's always the 'hidden ingredient'-eyeroll. Sorry you have to deal with this!
post #9 of 22
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I picked up the Atarax Rx JUST in case I ever need it. They seem to think she needs two doses a day regardless Not when it's also used for a million other things like anti-anxiety and "may work by acting drectly on certain parts of the brain."
I'll check out Quercetin though, thanks
post #10 of 22
My daughter woke up nearly 2 weeks ago with hives. She has allergies, I figured she got something but since she is in school, I have no way of knowing for sure everything she consumed. It bugged me but I just kept her comfortable. Well, she woke up with them the next morning. I took her to the urgent care center (of course it had to be a weekend and her ped closed). Strep throat. Her ONLY symptom was hives. It was not scarlet fever but hives from the toxins dumped in your system by the strep bacteria. 7 days of hives covering her body. Benedryl and Clarinex kept her from itching. But, nothing made the hives disappear until the Amoxil knocked out the strep.
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 
WOW. I'm sorry to hear that! Strep was actually the first thing the doc looked for. Luckily that wasn't the case with us. However, I still know nothing of what the case really was!
post #12 of 22
That is so aggravating isn't it? This was the third time with hives for us. Now I am wondering if the other times was a reaction to something or strep. I will never know. Was the restaurant able to give you an idea of what was in the soup?
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Sorry, been busy. Got the ingredients:
Chicken and Beef base
Ham
tomatoes
carrots
celery
onion
garlic
salt
pepper
dill weed

I'm not sure, but I think everything but the dill weed she has had before. I couldn't imagine this being a problem, does it sound like something that would cause a reaction? It's the only thing on the ingredients list that sounds like something she's never eaten yet.
post #14 of 22
OK I vote at the very least a RAST test. Here is a link to botanical food family's list for Parsley (and everything else)

Quote:
Parsley: Angelica, Anise, Carrots, Celery, Celeriac, Caraway, Celery Seed, Coriander, Cumin, Dill, Fennel, Parsley, Parsnips, Sweet Cicily, Water Celery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunRayeMomi
Chicken and Beef base
Ham
tomatoes
carrots
celery
onion
garlic
salt
pepper
dill weed
Now, somewhere, sorry :, it states that 10% of dairy allergic kids are allergic to beef

Finally tomatoes make their own histamine so that could cause a reaction to, confused yet?
post #15 of 22
I would want to know what makes up the "chicken and beef Base". There is potential there for who knows what???? In my case, I would be looking for wheat starch, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were some form of casein in there or whey protein.
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you ladies, for all your replies! I am very appreciative for all your knowledge, this is quite new for me! If anything, this will give me a little bit of knowledge for when I talk to the ped, and some things to bring up there.
post #17 of 22
Sara, I concur about getting allergy testing. I was quite allergic to dairy though it never showed up, and beef would make me break out in hives, same as dairy. I agree you have to be quite quite careful with allergies. BUT I would NEVER give Atarax as an everyday deal---geez they use that for sedation for dental visits in some places. Um, no thanks. I would keep it for emergencies, and also get an EPI pen Jr. We have one here too.

There are other kinds of allergy testing too that can test for many different things as opposed to the 1 cc of blood per allergen. I have some information somewhere around here if you're interested. NAYY.

Or you can email me.

mv
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you! Yeah, I don't understand giving her the Atarax daily either. It says it can be used for anti-anxiety too. Uh, nope.
post #19 of 22
Atarax is the mom version of Zyrtec (Zyrtec being the child) does that make sense, basically a stronger Zyrtec. FWIW Zach get it every night and Zyrtec every morning his is allergic to 13+ foods, plus who knows what else. Remember there are many medicines that are used for a variety of things, just wanted to give you another view
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
Wow, I wonder why she Rxed atarax instead of Zyrtec then? Thanks Jessica
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