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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I was reading the NCLB thread and school vouchers were brought up.

I haven't heard of this before. Can someone please explain this to me.

Thanks for your time.
post #2 of 10
Here is some CO specific info for you:

http://www.nea.org/vouchers/colosupremecourt.html
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the link.

Let me see if I read this correctly.

School vouchers would allow a student to "opt-out" of public schools and attend a private school, but the school board/state would pay for it?

If I got that right, then I guess the controversy would be that the public schools would lose students, therefore lose funding and the public schools would only get worse, not better?

Is that right?
post #4 of 10
yes, that's one argument.

Another is that they can be used at religious schools (i.e. public funding for religious education).

I live in Cleveland and they're a BIG thing here. They're income based here, too.
post #5 of 10
Well, the student would get a voucher for the amount that would be spent on him/her (the per child amount) and he/she could use it anywhere. But any difference in that amount and the "cost" would be left to the parents. So if they got a $2 voucher and the private school charged $3, the parent would have to pay the extra $1 (obviously I'm not using real figures! LOL)

It is one argument that it would cause too many people to leave the public school (especially in poor neighborhoods) and therefore the school would suffer. Another argument is that it would force schools to get there act together, listen to what parents want, teach the children and "compete" for students, thereby making all schools better.

Just depends on which argument you are listening to. There are also different variations ...I mean like you could use the voucher to pick a public school of your choice too...just take your dollars to the public school of your choice...you wouldn't have to use the voucher at a private school.

The competition aspect is still the "positive" arguement to this. The "negative" is that people would generally pick there own neighborhoods, if the schools didn't have huge differences in quality...so for convenience they would stay in their own neighborhood. Thus having prodominantly white and non-white schools again....so the "segregation" argument comes into play.

In places where this has been tried (I heard about one recently, but don't remember where) they found the schools were more segregated, but all the schools improved academically (the ones in poorer neighborhoods too and sometimes by a larger extent because they needed more work), so the argument is, which is more important...segregation, or the education level.

This is a quick synopsis...it is very detailed and I surely haven't hit all the big points.

My personal opinion is that vouchers would help more than hurt, and that improving all schools is more important than keeping them racially balanced BUT that does not mean I want the schools segregated...I like for my kids to be around other races. It's just hard to artificially make people go outside their "group" and it's a tough call for me how to make that better and don't know if it is worth it if all could benefit if that wasn't such a concern. When I was in school we had a pretty balanced racial mix, but the different races still "mostly" hung out with others of their race. I mean, I had black friends but most of my friends were white, and the same was true for the black students (back then there weren't a lot of other races at my school, but my city is much more diversified now)

Anyway, that is my understanding...I lean toward one side over the other (I guess you can tell) but I do see the other side and am not saying that I couldn't be wrong.



Oh and just saw the other post...I forgot about the religious argument...like I said, it gets very complicated! LOL
post #6 of 10
Here's a good link for cons about school vouchers -

http://www.au.org/site/DocServer/Pri....pdf?docID=155

MYTH: Vouchers will make public schools better by promoting competition in education.
FACT: There is simply no evidence to support this assertion. Public and private schools don't compete on an even playing field. Public schools must accept all children regardless of academic ability, physical handicap or family background. Private schools may reject any child with problems and enroll only the academically gifted. Also, competition implies there will be winners and losers; that may be fine for breakfast cereals, but it could be disastrous for schools. Public schools will improve only if our government officials and the public decide to make a serious commitment to educational quality. Diverting money from public schools to private schools will not achieve this goal, but will hurt the nation's public education system.

Another good link that talks about both sides

http://www.econedlink.org/lessons/in...m?lesson=EM185
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the other side, It's Me. I think your points about segregation vs. achievement are very important.

This really is a complicated issue. I guess I'll have to take the middle ground for now because both sides make a lot of sense to me.

Wouldn't it just be great if public schools were just fine and dandy with no complaints?!
post #8 of 10
I'm for them, in spite of the fact that it seems to only be popular with Republicans. I went to a private high school that was much more interesting than any public school in town. The voucher wouldn't cover the whole cost, but as the headmaster explained, he has a certain amount of money that he can use as scholarships. If those potential scholarship kids were coming in with a check for 4,000 (and I'm imagining, the school scholarship to cover the rest), that frees up more money for more kids on scholarship.

Also, I am not religious, but I just don't see the difference. Why is it ok for government money to pay for religious colleges but not elementary schools? I know it is different on paper (your fed loans and scholarships are given to you and you give them to the school) why couldn't the same be true for elementary schools? You can use your federal loan at Catholic colleges, etc. I used mine at a women's college. Why is there federal scholarship money for private college (when public colleges are available) but not private elementary/secondary school?
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flor
Also, I am not religious, but I just don't see the difference. Why is it ok for government money to pay for religious colleges but not elementary schools? I know it is different on paper (your fed loans and scholarships are given to you and you give them to the school) why couldn't the same be true for elementary schools? You can use your federal loan at Catholic colleges, etc. I used mine at a women's college. Why is there federal scholarship money for private college (when public colleges are available) but not private elementary/secondary school?
Good point!
post #10 of 10
I am for vouchers because we can't get charter schools in WA state and because there is no Waldorf public school. We have Montessori public schools and alternative public schools but not Waldorf.
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