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What's gonna happen to WAHM and the cost of pocket diapers?

post #1 of 145
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I don't post here much or follow the diaper "gossip" so this may not even be true but i heard a rumor that the woman who owns the pattent on the pocket diaper is going to start chargeing almost $400 for her licensing fee. Has anyone else heard anything about this. If this is true I worry about how WAHMs will be able to pay that fee at all let alone still produce afordable diapers. Any thoughts?
post #2 of 145
Are you talking about Tereson from Fuzzi Bunz? I didn't know she had a patent on the entire idea of the pocket diaper. I thought the patent was just on her specific design for the diaper(you know, like the measurements and such). Interesting. I'd love to see what other mama's in the know here have to say. If that is the case that the entire pocket diaper is patented, this would be a HUGE problem for other wahm's just starting up who cannot afford to pay that fee.


Meg
post #3 of 145
She holds the patent for pocket diapers that have a leading edge opening (which means either the front or the back) and consist of a "stay-dry" layer and a waterproof outer. The price for the patent is $350 per year.
post #4 of 145
The way I heard it, it's a patent on the whole idea of the pocket diaper, not just specifically the FB design.
post #5 of 145
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Originally Posted by peekyboo
The way I heard it, it's a patent on the whole idea of the pocket diaper, not just specifically the FB design.
That's correct. The idea of the pocket, not specifically Fuzzi Bunz. By paying the license fee you do not get to make Fuzzi Bunz, you would only get to make your pre-existing pattern. I'm not sure how it works for WAHMs who already license a pattern like Very Baby.
post #6 of 145
i am almost certain she does hold a patent for the pocket concept. i remember when i first started coming to MDC Diapering there was some talk about it. i haven't heard what you're talking about though, perhaps somebody else will chime in?
post #7 of 145
There is no doubt. She holds the patent and the new fee is $350 yearly. That's all fact, I can attest.
post #8 of 145
oops! we must have all posted at the same time...i was just much slower with my one-handed typing and chasing after the new dog (poop OUTside doggie, OUTside...sigh).
post #9 of 145
LOL! A new dog, eh? I feel for you. :
post #10 of 145
Here's more info...

http://69.20.14.30/discussions/showthread.php?t=398538
post #11 of 145
You can check out http://pocket-diapers.com for more info...I'm not a wahm, but this is REALLY putting me off of buying pocket diapers. I just don't think it's all that cool of anyone, it feels like patenting an idea, and if that's allowed, then I'm off to patent the idea of diapers altogether! Or pants. Or floors, or something. :

OK so I didn't invent those. But I've just thought of them, and if I'm the first, I'll get it!

I know my emotional arguments aren't legalese, but it really makes me not want to buy anything that will give her money eventually...

and this is petty, but there are typos on her patent page....whoever drew it up should be fined! by me!


oh, and I have no idea who she is, what her history is, etc...i ran across the site while going through my millions of diaper Favorites in IE, doing a clean-up as it were to dump doubles and businesses that are no longer...and I saw a link/logo for pocket diaper licensing, so I clicked and found...I have no vendetta or previous knowledge of her etc etc etc...hey, maybe I *shoulda* been a lawyer!
post #12 of 145
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this is REALLY putting me off of buying pocket diapers
Wait! I hope it won't put you off pockets all together! There are some great pockets out there that aren't Fuzzi Bunz: Green Acres, Apron Strings, Ella's (my fav), Very Baby, and more.

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if that's allowed, then I'm off to patent the idea of diapers altogether! Or pants. Or floors, or something.
LMAO!!! Floors.
post #13 of 145
But that's the thing...it IS putting me off of pockets, which will be a HUGE problem, as it's been our staple. FuzziBunz specifically, but I've been wanting to expand into other pockets. But now for any money I spend on them, a little bit of that goes towards this license, and it just feels wrong in principle. But if I stuff those feelings and continue to buy non-FB pockets, I'm still, in a tiny way, supporting this patent, and I don't want to do that.

I try to live philosophically and with principles, with as few *gotta do it for practicality's sake* decisions as possible, and this is pushing my buttons!
post #14 of 145
Terson invented the idea of a stay dry pocket diaper.. so she was able to get a patent. It has been challenged and the patent office has upheld her... Its not fair to give someone a hard time cause they were the first to do something and then do what they can to protect it. I'm pretty sure the patent has actually saved at least one big WAHM pocket maker from having her design knocked off by a HUGE kids clothing business.. if that would have happened all wahms would be screwed.

That said i think the increase sucks for WAHMs Not really because of the cost but the jump in cost is quite a shock. I think if the fee had always been $350 it wouldnt be such a big deal( only $29 a month) but to go from $25 to $350 is a huge jump and hard for a WAHM to come up with quickly.
post #15 of 145
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Originally Posted by mollyeilis
But that's the thing...it IS putting me off of pockets, which will be a HUGE problem, as it's been our staple. FuzziBunz specifically, but I've been wanting to expand into other pockets. But now for any money I spend on them, a little bit of that goes towards this license, and it just feels wrong in principle. But if I stuff those feelings and continue to buy non-FB pockets, I'm still, in a tiny way, supporting this patent, and I don't want to do that.

I try to live philosophically and with principles, with as few *gotta do it for practicality's sake* decisions as possible, and this is pushing my buttons!
Well... there are some WAHMs whose pockets don't fall withing the patent perimeter. I totally understand your feelings but thought you might like to know that not everyone is paying the licensing fee.

And I agree, Tiffany, it's not the patent, it's the HUGE increase. With a diaper as popular as the pocket she would have been crazy not to patent it in one form or another. I can just imagine Pampers releasing a reusable pocket style diaper. Shudder. And there is no paying in installments, it's an all at once deal.
post #16 of 145
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Originally Posted by Sheena
Well... there are some WAHMs whose pockets don't fall withing the patent perimeter. I totally understand your feelings but thought you might like to know that not everyone is paying the licensing fee.

And I agree, Tiffany, it's not the patent, it's the HUGE increase. And there is no paying in installments, it's an all at once deal.
I think that sucks too... 4 installments would be a lot easier for a WAHM to deal with.
post #17 of 145
I think the jump in cost is rediculous! I understand having a patent on an idea, and the ability to protect it is important, but it seems somewhat greedy to up the cost so sharply. Up until this point, I didn't know that the idea was patented, so it's still a bit of a shock to me.
post #18 of 145
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Originally Posted by Sheena
Well... there are some WAHMs whose pockets don't fall withing the patent perimeter. I totally understand your feelings but thought you might like to know that not everyone is paying the licensing fee.

And I agree, Tiffany, it's not the patent, it's the HUGE increase. And there is no paying in installments, it's an all at once deal.
What would you consider not falling under the patent? It seems to cover all fabrics with "pervious" and "impervious"... would it be the "leading edge" opening?
post #19 of 145
I guess the only way around it is to do a "pillow insert" type thingy with overlapping fabric pieces in the middle (that makes sense in my head but maybe not to you folks ) - not very comfy for baby I reckon... no more FBs for me after this news unless I hear different....
post #20 of 145
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Originally Posted by amysuen
What would you consider not falling under the patent? It seems to cover all fabrics with "pervious" and "impervious"... would it be the "leading edge" opening?
Well based on the link provided above...if the "pocket is not at the front or back (ie leading edge) it does not fall within the parameters of the patent. Also pocket fitteds don't fall within the patent either.

I think it is going to cause a serious drop in the # of WAHMs who sell pockets though...for many $350 may be their whole profit for the year...or even put them in the red so there isn't any point in making pockets at all.

Steph
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