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post #21 of 145
"would it be the "leading edge" opening?"

Yeah, she even gives the example of what you could do that's beyond the scope of the patent. It gives the idea of a cross between a Rumpster and a pocket...my husband is actually trying to figure out how to do it, even though I've never expressed a burning desire to make my own...

The patent thing...to me it would be like if Levi Strauss had patented any trouser made of denim with pockets on the side-fronts and two pockets in the back with stitching on them, etc etc etc...as far as I know he didn't, since there are a TON of jeans manufacturers, and yeah they all look slightly different but the basics are the same!

Heck, one of the disposable company has a floating liner thing that looks an AWFUL LOT like Bumkins AIOs...who came up with that first? Who is going to get the patent on that one?
post #22 of 145
Can you tell me what your dh comes up with, lol.

I can give an example of the FCB and LC pockets. They have an opening that is not on a leading edge.
post #23 of 145
Ooh Sheena, it took some googling to figure out who/what you were talking about, but fun!

So far hubby's idea is pretty sewing-heavy...if he pares it down I'll letcha know.
post #24 of 145
So I guess the makers of BumGenius get to pay here, too? I was just wondering about that yesterday.
From what I understand she no longer ownes Mother of Eden, though, so the patent is probably her only source of income (maybe)?!
post #25 of 145
Laura, I was thinking the same thing. From what I heard her dh wasn't exactly a gentleman when it came to the split so this increase is possible her way of providing for her family. I don't know all the details but I agree also that the huge jump will cause problems for the wahm's who only sell a few diapers a month.
Hilary
post #26 of 145
Thread Starter 
I think it is good that she has a patent she needs to protect her intelectual property and i feel badly for her if she needs the income but so do a lot of the mom's making her diaper why not let them pay in instalments which i think was suggested.
post #27 of 145
This just gives me even more of a reason to go to all GreenAcreDesigns pockets, as they are my favorite anyway. Think of the fit of a swaddlebees but no leaks or wicking. LOVE them! I think I'll be selling my fuzzi bunz to go to GAD.
Oh and by the way, GAD have the pocket opening about an inch down from the back leading edge.



Meg
post #28 of 145
We buy things every day that have patents on them. Tylenol, Vaseline, Coca Cola. Just because WAHMs aren't making Tylenol in their kitchens (I HOPE!) doesn't make the patent of FB any different than the patent on anything else. She made 'em first (or at least she was the first to the patent office) and she has every right to not sell the license at ALL. Which would mean no more legal WAHM pockets period.
Patents are there to protect someone's work from people copying it. And patents run out eventually. I don't have a problem with FB or her charging for the license.
post #29 of 145
Thread Starter 
Splash- I don't think anyone is sugesting she shouldn't have a patent or charge a fee. We are just debateing why that fee has increased from $25 a year to $350 a year. That price is going to be a burden on many of the mom's who make their living making pocket diapers and for those of who cloth diaper there is a good chance those diapers are going to become more expensive.
post #30 of 145
One thing, I don't know if anyone mentioned, is that if you already had an existing contract with Tereson she honored the orignal price... which she didn't have to do but did.
post #31 of 145
Thread Starter 
Well that's great. That makes me feel a lot better about the whole situation and less worried about the price of dipes...hmmm...maybe I should go buy some right now.
post #32 of 145
Yes, I agree, I think it is her right to charge a fee. Truthfully, that fee isn't that outrageous, although it would take a small WAHM a long time to make up that money (hence why I don't make pockets!!). I know cuddlebuns and such charge their WAHM's a fee to use their name/pattern/marketing/etc (a yearly cottage licensing fee). Of course this is just for the right of making a "pocket-diaper" and doesn't include the pattern or anything, but still, she does hold the patent. Now if it were $1000, then that would be a little nasty.

I'm more puzzled by her whole break from MOE and such. That can't be a good situation for her but I don't know the details. I think perhaps if we understood what went on we might, instead, rally around Thereson and her pocket-diaper patent and question MOE more.
post #33 of 145
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Originally Posted by Sheena
One thing, I don't know if anyone mentioned, is that if you already had an existing contract with Tereson she honored the orignal price... which she didn't have to do but did.


I think Thereson has every right to protect her intellectual property. If any of us created something original I would feel the same way. She didn't patent the diaper, or microfleece lining. She patented the specific design that she created. You don't see knitting and sewing wahms posting their patterns for free, how is this different?
post #34 of 145
This is really interesting to me. I have to say that the $350 fee doesn't sound all that crazy to me, either, but it probably will take some smaller WAHMs and those whose businesses don't make many pockets out of the pocket market. I do sympathize with those whose business are going to be impacted. It would have been nice if she'd raised the price more gradually, but I don't know anything about her motivations for doing this. She may have a very good reason. I'm very curious about the reason for her split from MOE. Sounds like it was recent, and I'd really like to know what happenned. I have a sneaking suspicion that it would make me very uninterested in doing business with MOE anymore.
post #35 of 145
I applaud Tereson and thinks she deserves it all. She created something that so many of us use and love. It ain't for free. Nothing is.
post #36 of 145
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Originally Posted by saratchka
This is really interesting to me. I have to say that the $350 fee doesn't sound all that crazy to me, either, but it probably will take some smaller WAHMs and those whose businesses don't make many pockets out of the pocket market. I do sympathize with those whose business are going to be impacted. It would have been nice if she'd raised the price more gradually, but I don't know anything about her motivations for doing this. She may have a very good reason. I'm very curious about the reason for her split from MOE. Sounds like it was recent, and I'd really like to know what happenned. I have a sneaking suspicion that it would make me very uninterested in doing business with MOE anymore.
Sarah I believe her split from MOE has to do with her divorce - not really anything to do with the business itself. It seems like her husband got the business for some reason (maybe his name was on a great deal of it )
post #37 of 145
Right, I don't think anyone is faulting her for protecting her idea. I think the shock value comes from the drastic increase from $25 a year to $350. That may not sound like a lot but what you may not realize is that most WAHMs make about $3.50 an hour.
post #38 of 145
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Originally Posted by stacey0402
You don't see knitting and sewing wahms posting their patterns for free, how is this different?
Actually, yes I do. Not everyone, but some of them...not for you to then sell, but there are free patterns out there.
post #39 of 145
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Originally Posted by mollyeilis
Actually, yes I do. Not everyone, but some of them...not for you to then sell, but there are free patterns out there.
of course, but nobody is stopping you (or anybody) from making pocket diapers for personal use either.
post #40 of 145
While it is a large jump I don't consider this to be an outrageous charge. She must have realized how much she was underselling her licenses by. Here are a few pages where you can purchase licenses to sew or knit and sell the finished product:

http://www.verybaby.com/faq.htm
http://www.babybyyou.com/order.shtml#cbs
http://www.darlingdiapers.com/order.html
http://www.littleturtleknits.com/pag...ensepolicy.php

These liceneses are for patterns that are already tested so there is not that expense for the WAHM. Additionally $350 is less than it costs to buy 3 dozen Fuzzi Bunz or Happy Hineys at wholesale to stock a store. It is an expensive venture to become a WAHM. It is really nice that Tereson was able to get a patent and protect this concept that she came up with. Yes, diapers were around before Fuzzi Bunz but she has apparently proven that hers was the first pocket since her patent was upheld.
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