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post #61 of 152
Carlson's CLO and Nordic Naturals are both available in stores here, but I order from www.vitacost.com You may want to see if they ship to you, otherwise I like Carlson's CLO for our purposes.
post #62 of 152
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post #63 of 152
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
I would take the CLO before the other oils. Spend the money there first in my opinion. then you will get the A,D, and Omega 3s

How much cal and mag are you taking?

Poultry liver is good too. My mom prefers it as well.

Is there a good phytate reduction thread around here? ? Maybe we should start one if there isn't one bump-worthy.
Started taking NN CLO over the weekend, and cut back the other oils. This is under the auspices of my chiro/naturopath. She said we could reevaluate later--but wants the black currant for the good omega 6s.

Pumping so I can't check, but I think it's 500 cal/250 mag. Low, I know.

Anyone know if you can get free range chicken livers at Whole Foods?

By all means start a thread if there isn't one. I'm probably not going to be able to get my hands on a copy of NT anytime soon.
post #64 of 152
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
And it looks like Nordic Naturals is making it less relevant -- a nutritional label I found online in reordering has lower vitamin levels than what is in my fridge.
Yeah the stuff I just bought is pretty pathetic vitaminwise. But I wanted to get started.
Has anyone used the CLO from Radiant Life? I'm thinking about ordering Amla-c from there, so it seemed logical to combine. Also does anyone know what the shipping costs for the Blue Ice are like? I couldn't find it on the site, and cost is a factor for me.
And does anyone else have a problem, not with the taste--the NN is very light tasting--but just with the texture, the fact that you're swallowing a tsp or more of OIL straight? I had to hide in juice after the first time kept making me nauseated.
post #65 of 152
The chicken livers available at my Whole Foods are from Bell & Evans. Not that great b/c they are grain and soy fed, but I think they are antibx/hormone free at least.

http://bellandevans.com/whoweare.cfm
post #66 of 152
You can special order organic chicken livers from WFs.

Mama-a-llama I think that particular brand of Amla C has a small amount of maltodextrin added to it as a drying agent. Not sure about that but you might want to check--maltodextrin being a form of corn sugar.

Cal-mag is most absorbable in a 1:1 ration in the citrate and glycinate form respectively. I believe Thorne makes such a product.

I recently posted on the NT thread about the CLO distillation process. Alot of companies are responding to concern about Vit A toxicity and have completely removed the vitamins during the deodorizing process (which also removes the PCBs) and then adding back the vitamins in synthetic form. Blue Ice takes the more effortful approach of adding back the vitamins in their natural form.
post #67 of 152
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Originally Posted by carnelian
Mama-a-llama I think that particular brand of Amla C has a small amount of maltodextrin added to it as a drying agent. Not sure about that but you might want to check--maltodextrin being a form of corn sugar.
Hmm, I checked the website of the company that makes it (Pure Planet), and it says no fillers or sweeteners. I guess I could actually email and ask to be sure.
post #68 of 152
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Has anyone used the CLO from Radiant Life? I'm thinking about ordering Amla-c from there, so it seemed logical to combine. Also does anyone know what the shipping costs for the Blue Ice are like? I couldn't find it on the site, and cost is a factor for me.
And does anyone else have a problem, not with the taste--the NN is very light tasting--but just with the texture, the fact that you're swallowing a tsp or more of OIL straight? I had to hide in juice after the first time kept making me nauseated.
I have clo from radiant life. It is a good product. But I do have a problem swallowing the oil... I have to have a chaser of something strong-tasting ready. I think if you google that brand of clo, you can find it elsewhere in capsule form, but it is more expensive than the liquid.
post #69 of 152
hopping in to say great thread! I really want to get my crew started on the blue ice CLO, but we're facing budget problems right now. I'm going to start asap, and this has been a very helpful thread..
post #70 of 152
hey skrimpy--i'm from myrtle beach originally! definitely invest in some cod liver oil. i wish i had. i was taking 6 omega 3 fatty acid pills a day during my pregnancy for depression. i think that's one of the only reasons my twins turned out as well as they did based on what i ate while i was pregnant (that "healthy" diet of unsoaked whole grains and low fat foods--sigh).

i haven't had time to respond to this thread earlier (and i wish i could respond to a lot more than i get a chance to; dh is playing with the girls so i can type now)--but i wanted to say how much i appreciate you mamas sharing your stories. i felt like i was starving my babies with my breast milk (the low fat diet continued--i was following lll suggestions for losing weight while breastfeeding--i don't know where to go for accurate nutritional information!!!). ay 6 months, my ped suggested formula because they weren't gaining weight. i knew that was wrong, so i started pumping to supplement them (4 - 6 oz a day was all i coud get, split between them), and i started them on solids way before i thought they were ready, at 6 months. they were starving, and ate a lot. at least i pureed their fruits and veggies and fed them lots of yogurt (all organic). but i also gave them that stupid oatmeal baby flake cereal. i started trying to add good fats to my diet (candied almonds--sigh again). but i still wanted to lose weight--and to fast forward a bit, we all got desperately sick with strep for their first birthday when i was really trying to lose weight fast for their party (i was depressed and felt totally abandoned by family and friends--no one came to help with the girls like they'd promised, and i was alone most of the time with them--soi wanted to show off how well i'd done--i'm embarrassed about it now). we ended up on antibiotics, which somehow led me to the vaccinations forum, which led me here (trying to heal the damage i sense but isn't overt from giving these girls the first year of vaxes).

so, mama-a-llama--i just wanted to reply because i started feeling like "it was my fault" when my girls were six months. i was completely overwhelmed and frantic. i left my first pedi (still a good decision), talked to at least 6 lactation consultants (none of whom inquired into my diet, even tho i said i was dieting), and got early intervention involved, including a nutitionist on the team. they all said the girls were fine, just small. luckily i felt something was wrong, and after 9 months, i'm really making some progress. the girls were sick last week with a virus that devastated my dad and stepmom and fil, but the girls were happy through it all (dh and i didn't even get it). i still have giult, but now i have a better sense of why i feel guilty, and i can talk about it with dh. plus, reading nutrition and physical degeneration gave me serious hope that we can improve our health. i read a while back that it changed JaneS's llife, and honestly that's why i bought the book (my library didn't have it available for loan--i want to donate a copy). it's hard not to beat yourself up, but YOU DIDN"T KNOW. i didn't know. now i do, and i'm trying to tell as many people as i can (tho they think i'm crazy). but the food i make is winning converts. dh is even helping me throw away the crappy "food" we had in our house (and the guy does not like to waste anything, especially food).

sorry for the novel--i never get this long to think, and a lot of this is just gelling for me now. there should be a whole board for this sort of stuff--maybe we should start one.

and to all you mamas!
post #71 of 152
Mehera,

First of all, thank you for the vote of confidence. I think it's necessary to go thru a real crisis in order to change. Both to realize there is a problem and to make the commitment to do something about it. And to turn away from reliance on mainstream opinion and fully trusting your mama intuition. Thank you for being so humble as to tell your story unvarnished, it helps all of us learn too.
post #72 of 152
Another amazing list of how crucial vitamin A is:

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Vitamin A for Fetal Development
By Mary G. Enig, PhD

The major target tissues of vitamin A deficiency include the heart, central nervous system, the circulatory, urogenital and respiratory systems, and the development of the skull, skeleton and limbs. Vitamin A deficiencies during the period when any of these systems begin specialization can result in abnormalities and defects.

According to Zile, even partial vitamin A deficiency affects the sensitive developing central nervous system; it plays a key role in the development of the visual system, the retina, the inner ear, the spinal cord, the craniofacial area including the pharyngeal and branchial arches and the thymus, thyroid and parathyroid glands.

During mid-gestation, vitamin A is required for fetal lung development. In vitamin A-deficient animals, congenital malformations in the urogential system occur. Most interesting is new research on the effect of vitamin A on kidney development. Vitamin A deficiency results in a reduced number of nephrons in the kidney. Lower numbers of nephrons mean the kidneys will not work at optimal levels and may doom the individual to dialysis later in life.2

Another fascinating avenue of research has shown that vitamin A holds the key to what scientists call the “holy grail” puzzle of developmental biology: the existence of a mechanism that ensures that the exterior of our bodies is symmetrical while the inner organs are arranged asymmetrically. Researchers at the Salk Institute have found that vitamin A provides the signal that buffers the influences of asymmetric cues in the early stages of development, and allows these cells to develop symmetrically. In the absence of vitamin A, the exterior of our bodies would develop asymmetrically, with the result being that our right side would be shorter than the left side.3

After the formation of all the organ systems, vitamin A supports their growth. Chronic vitamin A deficiency during pregnancy compromises the liver, heart and kidney and impairs lung growth and development during the last weeks of gestation.4
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...l-develop.html
All I can think about when I read this is those horrible baby shows on Discovery Health Channel I obsessively watched when I was pg... you know the ones with babies developing organs outside their bodies, cleft palates, etc etc.

If only this information about vitamin A was as widely promoted.
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post #74 of 152
thanks for the bump, Jane...this thread was really informative!
post #75 of 152
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Originally Posted by JaneS
We get our local butter from Southern NH
Wow! I live in Southern NH (Nashua) and here I am trying to source all these new foods now that there's suddenly very little in the grocery store that I wish to feed my family. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR LOCAL BUTTER??!! What other sources can you point me towards? I've done some hunting around on eatwild, etc, but I haven't found sources that I thought were "great," and several of them were dead ends.

Also, does anyone combine high vitamin butter oil with their cod liver oil dosing? I'm curious to hear about this...
post #76 of 152
This is how it was traditionally given by WAP for best results, the different fats carrying the vitamins and minerals etc more efficiently. No time to post links right now but if you go to the WAPF site you'll find info on it.
post #77 of 152
It's almost time for me to buy more cod liver oil, and since the carlson's doesn't seem to be high vitamin I'm shopping for something different. My question is: all the high vitamin brands are very high in Vit A and an order of magnitude less for vit D. I thought I needed to consume almost equal quantities of the two naturally occurring vitamins to protect against toxicity. Am I overlooking something, or do most people taking high vitamin cod liver oil also take a (natural) vit D supplement?

Hmm after reading that vit A helps labor/delivery (among other things), I'm wondering how many tbsps of my low vit carlsons I should take (I'm 36 weeks along)?! I've been taking 1 tbsp almost daily, I wonder if I should be taking a little more... and then what about the high vitamin cod liver oil - should I reduce the dose to the traditional 1tsp or so?
post #78 of 152
I'm not a doc-but my docs recommended that I take 2 tbs a day of Carlson's CLO.
post #79 of 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigknitwit
It's almost time for me to buy more cod liver oil, and since the carlson's doesn't seem to be high vitamin I'm shopping for something different. My question is: all the high vitamin brands are very high in Vit A and an order of magnitude less for vit D. I thought I needed to consume almost equal quantities of the two naturally occurring vitamins to protect against toxicity. Am I overlooking something, or do most people taking high vitamin cod liver oil also take a (natural) vit D supplement?

Hmm after reading that vit A helps labor/delivery (among other things), I'm wondering how many tbsps of my low vit carlsons I should take (I'm 36 weeks along)?! I've been taking 1 tbsp almost daily, I wonder if I should be taking a little more... and then what about the high vitamin cod liver oil - should I reduce the dose to the traditional 1tsp or so?
One tablespoon of high vitamin CLO is what WAPF used to recommend for pg/nursing, but I see they have revised their recs to 20,000 IU of A and 2,000IU of D: http://www.westonaprice.org/children...ormothers.html

That ratio is the correct one: 10:1, A : D.

See Chris Masterjohn's excellent article "Vitamin A on Trial" in the current WAPF newsletter Wise Traditions that is reprinted on the www.greenpasture.org website for more than you ever needed to know about A and D research!
post #80 of 152
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Originally Posted by bigknitwit
Wow! I live in Southern NH (Nashua) and here I am trying to source all these new foods now that there's suddenly very little in the grocery store that I wish to feed my family. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR LOCAL BUTTER??!! What other sources can you point me towards? I've done some hunting around on eatwild, etc, but I haven't found sources that I thought were "great," and several of them were dead ends.

Also, does anyone combine high vitamin butter oil with their cod liver oil dosing? I'm curious to hear about this...
I lied, Livewater Farm is in VT. I used to get it thru my old co-op Just Dairy here in MA. http://www.vtliving.com/cheesemakers/sout.shtml

However... if you want to join the bi-monthly co-op that I'm in now out of Tewskbury, MA we are a small group that has banded together to get a ton of raw cow and goat dairy and pastured meats/eggs from an collection of Amish family farms in PA. Might be worth the drive for you down Rte 3? PM me if interested.

Yes, I do the high vitamin butter, 1/2 tsp/day. More info in Dental forum under the thread, "Curing Cavities with Nutrition".

P.S. I thought it was NH b/c one of our raw milk farms is Ardent Arts in NH, he makes cheese I think. Angus Johnson, dairy producer; Ardent Arts Farm, 249 Dooe Road, Dublin, NH 03444
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