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post #81 of 152
More on CLO dosing for everyone in family:
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

And this is why fish liver oil and flax seed oil is not recommended:

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This extra vitamin A helps to protect the polyunsaturated fatty acids from becoming oxidized after they are incorporated into the cell membrane.(6)
The other sources of omega 3's are subject to oxidization (free radical formation, very damaging to body).
post #82 of 152
post #83 of 152
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Here's an article re. vitamin A:

Simple Facts about Vitamin A

Randall Neustaedter OMD

Retinol, or vitamin A was first identified in 1907 by comparing rats fed protein and lard or olive oil for fat with rats fed a diet that added egg yolk or butterfat. The rats who ate the foods with a vitamin A deficient diet failed to grow, but recovered with the supplemental foods. Only animal fats contain vitamin A. Good sources are cod liver oil, egg yolks, butter, raw whole milk, and liver. Animals must have carotene or vitamin A sources in their diets in order to produce vitamin A and pass it on to humans. There are no plant sources of vitamin A. Betacarotene found in vegetables and fruits can be converted to vitamin A by the body in a ratio of 12:1. That is it takes 12 units of beta-carotene to produce one unit of vitamin A. Infants and people with diabetes or poor thyroid function cannot make the conversion at all. Children convert betacarotene to vitamin A very poorly. Therefore animal fat sources of vitamin A are essential for most of the population.



Vitamin A is needed for proper mucous membrane function. It is essential for the growth and repair of body tissues, and for efficient digestion of protein. Vitamin A promotes good eyesight, strong bones and teeth, and a vital immune system. White blood cells, T-lymphocytes, and every cell in the important mucosal barriers of the respiratory, digestive, and urinary tracts require vitamin A.



A high fat diet will help ensure adequate vitamin A intake. Whole milk products, butter, and free range eggs will help maintain necessary levels of this important nutrient. For those who may not be getting enough vitamin A, a supplement is essential.



The recommended daily amount (RDA) of vitamin A is 3,000 IU per day for adults (reduced from 5,000 IU) and 1,000-2,000 IU for children, depending on their age (1,000 at one year of age, 2,000 by age nine). Primitive diets probably maintained 10 times that amount. One egg contains 300 IU, one cup of whole milk or whole milk yogurt contains about 225-250 IU of vitamin A. One tablespoon of butter contains 350 IU of A. The amount of vitamin A may vary by the season and the feed of the animals.



People eating a vegan diet are at a significant risk of vitamin A deficiency. It would take six cups of raw carrots or 20 cups of broccoli to obtain the recommended daily requirement of vitamin A per day.



Most everyone would benefit from a vitamin A supplement derived from fish oil. One tablespoon of cod liver oil contains at least 3,000 IU of A. Proper dosage is one teaspoon per 50 pounds of body weight. For adults with hypothyroidism or immune system problems (allergies, recurrent infections, autoimmune disease) a capsule supplement of 20,000 IU of vitamin A from fish oil may be appropriate. During an acute illness an adult could take twice that amount.



The toxicity of vitamin A during pregnancy or at any other time applies primarily to synthetic rather than natural forms of vitamin A (fish oil). Vitamin D in fish oil protects the body from toxicity. A study of people taking 300,000 IU of vitamin A per day for over a year revealed no adverse effects. However, the toxicity of vitamin D is very real, and anyone who takes a supplement containing vitamin D should have vitamin D levels checked with a blood test for 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Note that the normal values are 45-55 ng/ml (115-140 nmol/l). Laboratory reference ranges are often too low.



There has been an association between vitamin A intake of 5,000 IU per day and an increased risk of osteoporosis, It is assumed that this increased risk is due to interference with the ability of vitamin D to maintain calcium balance. Taking vitamin D and other cofactors should mitigate this effect. Monitoring by a knowledgeable health care provider is important because of the complex interactions of nutrients including A, C, D, calcium, magnesium, and other minerals on bone health.



For a more thorough look at vitamin A see:

http://www.naturalsolutionsradio.com...62&filter=topi


Is anyone concerned about vit D overdose with CLO? That is why I have stopped now that it's summertime and very sunny here. Does anyone test their vit D levels & where do you go for that testing? I miss CLO, definitely notice a difference without it.
post #84 of 152
post #85 of 152
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post #86 of 152
thanks for the bump.

i am vegetarian, but my husband and I are hoping to TTC in 2008. i am thinking a great deal on the idea of taking cod liver oil and perhaps bone broths while preparing to concieve and during pregnancy and lactation.

it is a difficult decisions because not all of the factors weigh 'logically.' i will ask my wise-woman friends to help me.
post #87 of 152
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Originally Posted by JaneS
Another amazing list of how crucial vitamin A is:



All I can think about when I read this is those horrible baby shows on Discovery Health Channel I obsessively watched when I was pg... you know the ones with babies developing organs outside their bodies, cleft palates, etc etc.

If only this information about vitamin A was as widely promoted.

This is disturbing to me. My 3 baby was born with a folded ear and her eyes are not level. I was on a veg. diet, very healthy I thought. The problems I experienced during and after her pregnancy are what led me to NT in the first place. To think that a deficiency in my diet is what caused her to be born with asymmetrical features is, well, very sad. I know it's impossible to really *know* what caused it, but, just the idea that it was my "healthy" diet, something I *could* have changed. Disturbing to me.
post #88 of 152


I feel similarly about my DS and his gut issues. I know *exactly* how this feels and it's by far the hardest thing I've ever had to face in my life.

But now I think this realization is such a tremendous gift. I never would have known just how crucial the right nutrition was nor had the tools to cure myself of several debilitating illnesses.

And what I always tell myself is that who knows what this knowledge now actually will prevent in the future? In my entire family! Thus I must use those feelings to spur myself on and be even more determined.

I can tell you what I think I know that it prevented in my DS. ( did that sentance even make sense??) Maybe someday you will come to that realization with your child(ren), that there is a reason in it.
post #89 of 152
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Originally Posted by zoebird
i am vegetarian, but my husband and I are hoping to TTC in 2008. i am thinking a great deal on the idea of taking cod liver oil and perhaps bone broths while preparing to concieve and during pregnancy and lactation.
I think your intuition has already told you.
post #90 of 152
what an awesome thread! i took NN omega 3's throughout my pg, and discovered NT and CLO about 3 months ago, and switched over to CLO.

just a quick note about CLO's: my dd and I actually prefer the orange flavor blue ice to NN clo! the orange flavor tastes like nothing to me-- maybe like rosemary more than anything, but the nn strawberry clo tastes so fishy! it's odd to me that our reactions to the clo are so different. i was really worried about the blue ice clo being too fishy, but find it easy to take everyday (with a juice chaser-- my dd just take sit right off the spoon with nothing-- she asks for mroe in fact!). the butter oil i find MUCH harder to take. in fact, i've only had it twice. it's just sitting in my fridge!!! i need to figure out a way to take it. i just don't like the taste and am grossed out that it is solidified...
post #91 of 152
actually, my intellect told me.

my intuition on this is to stay vegetarian for the now.

but my wise women helped me understand what the emotional blocks about this were. first, there seems to be a fear about being demonstrative. that is, as soon as i start taking CLO, i'm saying "ok, i'm going to have a baby"--i'm starting on this process of taking on a HUGE, LIFE-LONG committment that you can't walk away from, you can't back out of (without damaging the poor child deeply). second, i greatly fear my parents and inlaws "harassing" me about what i want to do--how i want to conduct my pregnancy, my birth, and my parenting life. My in laws take everything that we do that's 'out of the ordinary' (which for them, is everything that we do) and take it as a personal criticism of them, and then criticise and judge the hell out of us to the point of insanity. i don't want this while pregnant and birthing and early parenting! I want to be 'left alone' to do what i want to do--or rather, i really want to be supported. And to me, supported means no criticism, no judgement, and just 'freaking trust me already!'

so, these are the areas that need work, and once they're cleared up, i'm sure that intuition and intellect will 'click' and the emotional will be balanced out--and then we'll figure out what is appropriate.
post #92 of 152
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Originally Posted by JaneS


I feel similarly about my DS and his gut issues. I know *exactly* how this feels and it's by far the hardest thing I've ever had to face in my life.

But now I think this realization is such a tremendous gift. I never would have known just how crucial the right nutrition was nor had the tools to cure myself of several debilitating illnesses.

And what I always tell myself is that who knows what this knowledge now actually will prevent in the future? In my entire family! Thus I must use those feelings to spur myself on and be even more determined.

I can tell you what I think I know that it prevented in my DS. ( did that sentance even make sense??) Maybe someday you will come to that realization with your child(ren), that there is a reason in it.


Jane, I know that my diet has changed for the better. I don't know if I will ever be pregnant again, but if I am, then I will be much healthier. If I'm not, then I still have the knowlege to nourish my children, who will, in turn, be in a better place to grow their families. Life is a journey, and it often takes us where we never thought we'd go. I am regretful of what I didn't know during my pregnancy with my DD, but not beating myself up. I did what I thought was best; I know better now, and I will do better. My children are all healthy, and have had a much better start than so many other children.

I believe that God has allowed me to become aware of this knowlege for a reason. Because of that, I will not beat myself up, but will continue to work at improving my health, and that of my children.
post #93 of 152
Great thread, but as usual I am still confused and conflicted about the prenatal vitamin issue. I printed off the WAP guidelines for pregnant and nursing mothers which includes CLO, raw milk, butter, eggs, liver, seafood, beef or lamb, oily fish or lard, coconut oil, lacto-fermented stuff, bone broths and soaked whole grains. That is quite a list. I feel like I would be doing pretty well if I managed to eat all that every week. So here's the question....
does WAP not recommend any additional prenatal vitamin? Is it possible to eat this healthy and take CLO and butter oil and not need to take a prenatal?

I am so confused about the prenatal vitamin issue. I had a terrible time taking prenatals in my first two pregnancies, and mostly didn't take them.
I should probably add that I tend to have a problem with iron deficiency, and take floradix herbal iron daily (which includes iron and b vitamins)
post #94 of 152
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Originally Posted by jessicaSAR
So here's the question....
does WAP not recommend any additional prenatal vitamin? Is it possible to eat this healthy and take CLO and butter oil and not need to take a prenatal?

I am so confused about the prenatal vitamin issue. I had a terrible time taking prenatals in my first two pregnancies, and mostly didn't take them.
I should probably add that I tend to have a problem with iron deficiency, and take floradix herbal iron daily (which includes iron and b vitamins)
I don't know if WAP recommends a prenatal, but if it's not on the list, I'd suppose not. As with you, I did not take prenatals during my first two pregnancies and have very healthy kids. I did have to supplement with iron, but this was before I discovered WAP and will be eating more red meat this go around. For me, my goal is to take my CLO and BO and eat well and not take a prenatal.

My midwife has said that prenatals aren't always necessary. One thing they do is give moms a way to feel like they are doing SOMETHING good nutrition-wise. Many of us need to feel like we're doing something, y'know? And really, if you're eating crap and taking a prenatal, is that better? No. So I wouldn't worry too much about not taking one.
post #95 of 152
i'm not taking a prenatal.

i do not do well with vitamins. my intuition about vitamins has always been to avoid them and seek out food sources instead. I've done this since i was a baby and used to spit out or avoid whatever vitamins my parents gave me. LOL
post #96 of 152
wow...

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post #97 of 152
In general most people agree that synthetic vitamins aren't usable by the body anyway. In fact, there is research to suggest that synthetic vitamins can actually disrupt the body's ability to identify and use the real things. I did not use prenatals for any pregnancy.
post #98 of 152
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Originally Posted by jessicaSAR
Great thread, but as usual I am still confused and conflicted about the prenatal vitamin issue. I printed off the WAP guidelines for pregnant and nursing mothers which includes CLO, raw milk, butter, eggs, liver, seafood, beef or lamb, oily fish or lard, coconut oil, lacto-fermented stuff, bone broths and soaked whole grains. That is quite a list. I feel like I would be doing pretty well if I managed to eat all that every week. So here's the question....
does WAP not recommend any additional prenatal vitamin? Is it possible to eat this healthy and take CLO and butter oil and not need to take a prenatal?

I am so confused about the prenatal vitamin issue. I had a terrible time taking prenatals in my first two pregnancies, and mostly didn't take them.
I should probably add that I tend to have a problem with iron deficiency, and take floradix herbal iron daily (which includes iron and b vitamins)
WAP does not recommend prenatals at all. Just superfoods such as CLO. Amla or acerola powder for natural vit. C.

If you cannot do milk, they recommend dolomite powder for calcium. Can't do liver: there's dessicated liver tablets. Again, vitamin/minerals in the form that most easily absorbed.

I would take selenium b/c that is hard to get with our stripped soils these days. Every other nutrient is covered in that list and much higher than any prenatal.

For iron, eat grass fed meat and lots of pastured egg yolks. One of my friends IRL is a WAPF chapter leader... she was iron deficient in her 1st pregnancy and her iron rocks with this one since she's changed to a traditional diet.
post #99 of 152
Oh and greens for folic acid, right Firefaery? There must be another source...
post #100 of 152
Yeah, enriched grain products : Greens are the way to go! I agree with the selenium entirely. I get organic brazil nuts and add them to my smoothie, but there is a live smoothie base that is made with the brazil nuts too. I question that because 2 brazil nuts give you your RDA of selenium-you don't want to go overboard.
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