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post #21 of 117
2/11/06 at 11:26pm
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It is being bought by 20 something parents of toddlers...mostly the younger 20 somethings...
Would be intresting to know, those of us who don't like the skanky toddler clothes are we mainly older mums? I'm 39.

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post #22 of 117
2/12/06 at 2:26am

I Agree!

I can't stand the clothes (I'm 36). The skimpy girls stuff - I just feel it is totally innapropriate. And it does NOT look comfortable. Kids should be climbing trees and playing in the sand and chasing butterflies in the backyard. How do you do that in a miniskirt and wedge heel boots?? My SIL dresses her 2 year old DD in mini skirts and wedge boots that go up above her knee. She looks like a 2 year old hooker. It is awful. She is not feeling the breeze or sun on her skin. She is tripping over her shoes and may as well be naked for the amount of time her skirt is up at her waist. She cannot play comfortably!!

And why do I have to drive to 29 different stores to find things for my 2 year old son that do NOT contain skateboards or spiderman. He is too young to skateboard and does not have a clue who spiderman is. Why is everything for toddler boys spiderman!!!!! It drives me nuts. I just want plain clothing, (like Lands End stuff) that is reasonably priced, with maybe a DOG or TRAIN on it!!!!! Baby stuff is cute, then BAM! Size 2T and up and you're in to complete commercialism.

*steps down off soap box*.

Kathy.
post #23 of 117
2/12/06 at 2:49am
I'm 26 and i think it's totally sad so it isnt' just an age thing
post #24 of 117
2/12/06 at 3:10am
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why do I have to drive to 29 different stores to find things for my 2 year old son that do NOT contain skateboards or spiderman. He is too young to skateboard and does not have a clue who spiderman is. Why is everything for toddler boys spiderman!!!!! It drives me nuts. I just want plain clothing, (like Lands End stuff) that is reasonably priced, with maybe a DOG or TRAIN on it!!!!! Baby stuff is cute, then BAM! Size 2T and up and you're in to complete commercialism.
lol thats what I said in my first post! Boys clothing isn't scanky but it sure isn't good either. I hate the sullen skateborders and muddy colours it's like everything has had a dollup of grey mixed into it. Over here in Oz that stuff starts at size 1 (we don't have T sizes) in fact I think you will even find some in an 0. Spiderman is pretty popular too
Lucky I like Thomas and Bob, and we have a shop called Pumpkin Patch over here (Do you have that?) and in the boys 1-4 section I can usualy find something nice. I bought a t-shirt with a zebra and a lion on the front from there the other day. There is also a brand called Bright Bots http://www.jumpingjackflash.com.au/category.php?id=16 that carry reasonable stuff too.
post #25 of 117
2/12/06 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by poxybat
im really concerned that alot of people are calling dolls and people in skimpy clothes derogatory names. what is that teaching your daughters?
Amen!
post #26 of 117
2/12/06 at 5:49am
well im a 21 year old mother of a 18month old and my dd does not wear miniskirts or halter tops(unless it covers her entire stomach and ties right at the neck)...She has one shorter skirt my mother bought her and when she does wear it its with thick german stockings and a longsleeved top. I will never buy my dd a triangle top swimsuit. DH(hes 20) and I both just shudder at what they have for kids..SO no NOT all young moms dress there kids that way. If we have a son he will wear preppy fitted clothes.
post #27 of 117
2/12/06 at 6:04am
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Originally Posted by joandsarah77
Would be intresting to know, those of us who don't like the skanky toddler clothes are we mainly older mums? I'm 39.
i doubt it. when i was in school id get looks and totally innapropriate comments from my classmates...and that was just for wearing skirts because appearantly only slutty girls wear skirts, respectable girls wear pants. ech
im hearing similar things from some of my younger cousins...
i dont think its likely to stop as children do pick up on the biases of thier parents. i personally dont care what anyone chooses to think but i do wish the namecalling would stop. we should be embracing our bodies not trying to make others feel bad for being comfortable in thier own/raising thier children to be comfortable in thiers.
post #28 of 117
2/12/06 at 10:18am
Im 32,

But again I also said I was not refereing to anyone here as I would expect that the majority of you are put off by the clothing that is availible to us in the stores.


and as far as calling anyone who wears these clothing derogatory names...I did no such thing.
And I could care less what a doll is wearing ...Im talking about real children who are wearing these clothes and we live in a different time and little girls should NOT be wearing these things.
In a town in my state a commuter train worker was fired of statements he continuously made to a woman and her 7 yr old child....the child was NOT wearing anything out of the ordinary and this man continued to tell her mother what a nice Arse her DD had and how he would love to "tap" that.
So I only hope that the women who DO find these clothing cute and hilarious to adorn their children with think twice. I do not eve nwant to tink of what may have happened if that man had not been fired.

thats all...sorry like I said I do not mean to offend anyone ...this is MY opinion.
post #29 of 117
2/12/06 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by frowningfrog
In a town in my state a commuter train worker was fired of statements he continuously made to a woman and her 7 yr old child....the child was NOT wearing anything out of the ordinary and this man continued to tell her mother what a nice Arse her DD had and how he would love to "tap" that. So I only hope that the women who DO find these clothing cute and hilarious to adorn their children with think twice. I do not eve nwant to tink of what may have happened if that man had not been fired.
So in sum, you are saying that a child was sexually harassed while wearing non-revealing clothes, and that by the way, you feel that wearing revealing clothes might invite pedophiles (i.e. that the victim's parents might be to blame for making her a target by allowing her to wear revealing clothes)? Of course, that's just "YOUR" opinion and not intended to be offensive.

Nice.
post #30 of 117
2/12/06 at 1:27pm
Would like to add, what stores do you all shop at?! Everywhere I go, there seem to be racks and racks of loose, knee-length dresses, and plain colored jeans/pants, overalls, and T-shirts for both sexes. Guess New York has missed out on the Sexy/Commercial Toddler Clothes Revolution.
post #31 of 117
2/12/06 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by CountryMom2e
The boys clothing is not much better - basketball shirts, droopy pants, grungy, urban hood-like clothes for a 2 yr old! I struggle to find just regular old clothing - thankfully the best clothes in quality are often the best in style, and are the only ones good enough to make it to consignment

what's wrong with "urban" clothing?

"hood-like clothes" vs. "regular old clothing"???

I'm trying to read your post in the best light possible, but I'm really cringing. Different subcultures in our country have different ways of dressing. That doesn't make one "better." There is nothing inherently wrong with a basketball shirt.
post #32 of 117
2/12/06 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by eminer
. . . you feel that wearing revealing clothes might invite pedophiles . . . .
Oh, I'm SO gonna get slammed for this, but . . . yes, that's how it seems to me. Clothes designed to make one look sexy, adult or child, are inevitably going to make certain people take notice. If your beautiful child may end up in the path of a pedophile in the course of his/her day, wouldn't you rather not do anything to make him/her even more desirable? Let's face it, sexy clothes are designed to stimulate sexy thoughts. I wouldn't want to help anyone have thoughts like that about my kid.

Unless . . . does anyone really know anything about how the typical pedophile operates? My entire base of knowledge on the topic comes from Law and Order: SVU. Maybe pedophiles are so into little kids they get off more on little kids looking really little kiddish. If so, maybe dressing our kids like little grown ups is their best protection????

Oh, I'm just locking my kid in his playroom until he's 40.
post #33 of 117
2/12/06 at 2:22pm
I just wanted to clarify my personal position -

I have NO problem with a woman owning her own sexuality and dressing however she wants. I LOVE miniskirts and have gotten much teasing (ggod natured) about showing some cleavage. To me, the fashion choices of an adult are very different from the CORPORATIONS who market "sexy" clothes to little girls. I have a big problem with many of the pop icons who set the standard for these fashions (ie Paris Hilton, etc.). I understand that a lot of little girls see images of these pop figures, they go the store and see Bratz dolls,etc. and these types of clothes and, of course, they want them. But what is the core value or basis for this current ideal? It values appearance and sexuality above talent, personality, intelligence, individuality, etc. When little girls have these role models as their ideal - and want the clothes to go with them - what are they learning to judge themselves by? "Shopping" has become a hobby - which is a whole other matter altogether.

I guess my major concern is that children should be allowed to be children - to learn acceptance (fashion encourages judgement - I don't want to look like "that" - and this emphasis on fashion at younger ages moves that judgement to younger ages); little girls need self-esteems that are built NOT on appearance or their bodies, but on something real and substantial that they have control over (sports, talents, hobbies, etc.).

Of course, children need to wear clothing that is appropriate for the weather an activity. But as parents, it s our responsibilty to protect our children from a jaded consumer-oriented society where sex sells - and protecting them when they are young gives them a solid foundation so that when they do grow up they can claim their own sexuality and identity without being beset by insecurities that come from basing your self-esteem on the opinions of others or unattainable standards.

What harm comes from allowing children to be young and innocent and to direct their focus away from early sexualization and conumerism? Now, what harm mght come from failing to protect especially our little girls, who we all know have a life of being judged by their appearance ahead of them?

I am less concerned with the skateboard shirts, as DH was a skater, but I agree that boys should not be encouraged to be "tough" any earlier than society will put those pressures on them.

As for loose/baggy clothes - I agree that is a fashion choice and subject to taste. "thuggish" implies a judgement that sets off warning bells for me.

I'm not getting involved in a snipe war - and I hope we can put aside name-calling and sarcasm on both sides to consider the real "meat" of this topic.
post #34 of 117
2/12/06 at 2:30pm
PS - on the topic of pedophiles: NO ONE is responsible for the actions of a sexual predator except the sexual predator. I would never tell a woman she "asked" to be raped and I would never blame a child's attire for the actions of a pedophile - let's let the criminals be responsible for their crimes.

But what is happening is that the age at which a girl is considered sexy in an appropriate way is getting younger and younger. I am only 28, but when I was 14, 15, 16 we NEVER saw images of teenagers being overtly sexy - remember Tiffany who was super cool in her jeans and oversized sweaters? Now we think nothing of Brittany Spears wearing a bra and hot pants on a magazine cover at what, 17? It's now normal and socially okay for grown ups to hold teenagers as sexual objects. This is just the reality of our culture - but again, it's a reality I'm going to protect my child from until she's old enough and secure enough to hold her own.
post #35 of 117
2/12/06 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by joandsarah77
Would be intresting to know, those of us who don't like the skanky toddler clothes are we mainly older mums? I'm 39.
Not all older moms. I am newly 22 with a 19 month old and think the clothes out today are totally unacceptable, not only for toddlers but for teens and adults as well.

Do I own a string bikini - sure do, but just because I do doesn't mean it's acceptable for my toddler to be in one. We don't do bikinis or string tank tops, halters for our dd- she doesn't wear skirts or dresses either (which is less of a skanky clothes issue and more of a being a kid/playing issue). Kids should be kids and I feel like moms that dress their children like little adults are denying them of that. Makes me sad.
post #36 of 117
2/13/06 at 3:24am
can some one post some pictures because im seriously not seeing what the problem is with haltertops and miniskirts...
post #37 of 117
2/13/06 at 7:57am
This is something my dd will never wear
http://www.oldnavy.com/browse/produc...291&pid=360478
http://www.oldnavy.com/browse/produc...291&pid=360463

There are kids clothes that are just plain hoochie...skirts that barely cover there diaper/butt, tops that are low cut etc
post #38 of 117
2/13/06 at 8:43am
Just looking through that Old navy shop of yours, at least that does sell mainly regular clothes and the boys are much nicer colours.
post #39 of 117
2/13/06 at 9:39am
Gee, and I have such fond memories of Shirley Temple! Didn't she wear those cute little short skirts when she dance and sang in her movies? I guess I am just not getting it. I had to scroll back up and look to make sure I was still on the Toddler Forum. I happen to think those two examples of the Old Navy bathing suits are cute, and I would purchase the flowery one for my DD's if I didn't already have UV suits for them. I am 41 yrs old and can remember my very conservative mother (was not allowed to wear jeans to school; I had dress pants, skirts and dresses) purchasing me little shorts and halter tops. I also had my share of short skirts as a toddler that just did cover my diaper and a string bikini. But then again, I was a toddler so who cared? No, I don't think it is a good idea to have these racy messages on clothing for kids, especially for kids that can't even read or begin to understand the innuendo, but as far as a mini skirt, well unless it is black leather or lace, I just don't see the problem. Last I heard, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Rape and pedophilia are illnesses and crimes of violence. If little old ladies are getting raped, then I guess no one is safe no matter what they are wearing.

Everybody has their opinion. And that was mine! Have a great day!
: Adieu!
post #40 of 117
2/13/06 at 7:50pm
Last year I got all into the notion that bikini's "sexualize" young girls and I didn't buy any. Than I did numerous diaper changes and potty runs with a wet bathing suit on a toddler.

This year it will be 2-piece swim suits if she's amenable. I've "matured" in my outlook and I decided I'm not going to let anyone's opinion sway me. I'm dressing her for my convenience!

I thought the halter top on a little friend of DD's was totally cute. I could never find one reasonably priced so I modified a pattern and was going to make one myself. It never happened last year though.

I think the biggest influence on my DD will be myself and some of our fabulous full-figured, gorgeous friends with strong egos and self-esteem. We have some really great friends with very healthy attitudes and I just know they'll be the biggest influence on DD. Not the media. I've told them that too.
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