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I just don't get this

post #1 of 48
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I visit some other boards. All ap/natural boards. It amazes me how many post I have read where the mom talks about refusing all shots, eye drops and such at birth and has this detailed drawn out birth plan and then says they are still undecided about circumcising
post #2 of 48
Common sense is very uncommon.


Frank
post #3 of 48
Even better is there's a person on LJ who posted a birthplan in a natural birth community, said she wanted to circ, wants to refuse the vit k shot and go for oral (yeah right, they'll really go for that) and in her interests?

Child advocacy.
post #4 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fi.
Even better is there's a person on LJ who posted a birthplan in a natural birth community, said she wanted to circ, wants to refuse the vit k shot and go for oral (yeah right, they'll really go for that) and in her interests?

Child advocacy.
Either she has a twin or she has posted here too on the birthing forums about how refusing the PKU test is the way to go because the heel stick is SO traumatic. Yeah, and cutting off half your son's penis ISN'T?

To the OP: there's a quotation from Margaret Mead to the effect of "If a fish were an anthropologist, the last thing it would discover would be water." Circ is like that - it is so deeply ingrained in our culture and has so many myths surrounding it that it just doesn't even occur to people planning a gentle birth that circ is the antithesis of a gentle birth and IMO negates it entirely.

I mean, geez Louise, if you're going to circ, better to have an epidural and then maybe that poor baby will at least get the benefit of some residual drugs in his system to numb the pain of genital torture.
post #5 of 48
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Originally Posted by Quirky
Either she has a twin or she has posted here too on the birthing forums about how refusing the PKU test is the way to go because the heel stick is SO traumatic. Yeah, and cutting off half your son's penis ISN'T?
Here on MDC? Aren't they still cracking down on that?
post #6 of 48
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Originally Posted by paquerette
Here on MDC? Aren't they still cracking down on that?
If she's religious, they won't
post #7 of 48
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Originally Posted by paquerette
Here on MDC? Aren't they still cracking down on that?
Although you're not allowed to post in support of circ in this particular forum, I don't know of any rule that says you can't state your support of circ or fact that you're going to circ at MDC.

In fact, I wouldn't want to crack down on that kind of thinking because we want to be able to inform mamas who come here because they're attracted to various issues under the gentle birth/parenting umbrella but don't necessarily know much about circ yet, KWIM?
post #8 of 48
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If she's religious, they won't
She's having a hospital circ so I would be willing to bet she's not.
post #9 of 48
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Originally Posted by Fi.
She's having a hospital circ so I would be willing to bet she's not.
Yes, but "Christians" that don't know or don't care any different usually do that.
post #10 of 48
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That was me a while back...

Of course, I associated with a lot of birth activist types, I was aware of vax issues, cord cutting etc...

I admit, it's not me anymore- my sons will be intact.

but 2 weeks before Grace was born, I was introduced to the idea that circ might be something that had to be decided on... ?huh? I thought it was just a done thing? I also didn't know anything about it.

So for her birth, having not had a lot of time to read and make any decision on it, I was decided on the birth issues and vax issues-- but undecided on circ, and crossing my fingers that she would be a girl so I could decide without being under the gun.
she was.
post #11 of 48
Check out any of the "How Crunchy Are You?" threads.....You will see multiple posts of "We circed and would do it again!" Even MDCers are not immune to cultural bias.....although witht he tone of this community, you would think they would be


Tara
post #12 of 48
Huh, I thought it was a rule for the whole board (not advocating non-religious circ). I could just go read the UA, of course, but I'm too lazy for that.

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In fact, I wouldn't want to crack down on that kind of thinking because we want to be able to inform mamas who come here because they're attracted to various issues under the gentle birth/parenting umbrella but don't necessarily know much about circ yet, KWIM?
I kinda get that, but then that leaves our hands tied about advocating to these folks, doesn't it? If someone can gently say "we don't allow pro-circ talk here, please do some research" and offer links then maybe that helps show the wrongness of it, having the force of law (of the board, anyway) behind it. But we can't really go around saying 'hey, I think you should look into this more, why do you want to circ your kid', then we're harassing them and get stern PMs.
post #13 of 48
Shouldn't Anti-RIC information be in the sticky at the top of every forum? Some mamas don't venture out of their "due date clubs" etc... and might not know about this forum until its too late We need to get intactivist on "our own" too I guess.
post #14 of 48
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Originally Posted by sadkitty
Shouldn't Anti-RIC information be in the sticky at the top of every forum? Some mamas don't venture out of their "due date clubs" etc... and might not know about this forum until its too late We need to get intactivist on "our own" too I guess.
Now *there's* a fabulous idea!

Jen
post #15 of 48
Do you think some mothers circ because they're uncomfortable with the topic of penises and don't really want to think about it? I've always been surprised at the number of intelligent women who can barely bring themselves to say the word, and I imagine they'd be horribly embarassed to read about circ. Then since they aren't educated, they just make their son "match" their dh. For these women, maybe a slogan like "don't circ-- no cosmetic surgery on newborns" would work better?

Just a thought.

ZM
post #16 of 48
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Originally Posted by paquerette
If someone can gently say "we don't allow pro-circ talk here, please do some research" and offer links then maybe that helps show the wrongness of it, having the force of law (of the board, anyway) behind it.
I totally agree, and I really like the idea of having anti-circ stickies in each forum. I wish the whole board, rather than just this forum, didn't allow advocacy of circumcision. But the minute the anti-cutting rules are spread to the whole board a lot of the Jewish and Muslim mamas will be furious. I'm actually really saddened by the prolific number of pro-circ comments I see at this board.
post #17 of 48
I wonder if we could all chip in together and buy a banner ad so that more people would see it. Just a thought.
post #18 of 48
This thread is eye-opening to me. I thought that we weren't allowed to endorse circumcision anywhere on MDC, not just this forum.

To the OP: I, too, have always been baffled by people who practice natural birth, extended bf, cloth diaper, etc., but then turn around and circ. their sons! Don't they realize that they have just violated their sons' bodies in the most private and personal way possible?!? And WITHOUT anesthetic! :

If anyone decides to get circ'ed, it should be the owner of the penis. I have no trouble with grown men who decide to have it done. If you circ. that male as a baby, however, you are robbing him of the choice. His penis, his decision.
post #19 of 48
Re chipping in and paying for a banner - I'd be part of that! But, on the other hand, it's a bit sad that we have to pay to get our message out on a forum which claims to be against circumcision.

I guess my hope is that any advocacy of circumcision will be unacceptable on the board. As it stands, lots of people state that they'll circ, they ask for advice about where to find a good mohel etc. So even though the board is officially against circumcision my hope is that it will become intactivist. I know people IRL who are against circumcision but they're not intactivists - they don't fight against it, educating and dispelling myths. I find apathy frustrating, so I've been venting about it to DH a bit. There's such a huge difference between being anti-circ and being an intactivist, and I hope MDC as a whole is able to make the jump.
post #20 of 48
the sticky at the top of the ddcs is a great idea!

stop routine infant circumcision and then inside a link to this forum and a link to the regret thread...

and some of the other great links but not too much info or links in the sticky, don't want to overwhelm (i get overwhelmed in the vax forum )

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