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Anyone familiar with Bio-Pac cleaning products? I stumbled across their website today and read some interesting things. Wondering what other people think. These things in particular stood out for me.
From http://bio-pac.com/biopac/reality.htm

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Borax

Many environmentalists encourage the use of borax. Apparently green consumers are supposed to be thrilled to be using a product that contains levels of arsenic and lead. From the web: ( A story about a patient who developed a disease from working in a borax mine because of the arsenic exposure.)

"This borax mine is located in the western part of Turkey and is owned by the government. There is a high arsenic content in the product of the mine--colemanit. Workers are required to wear gloves, but this patient did not wear gloves and did not use a mask to prevent arsenic exposure because of his inadequate knowledge."

I would rather have lots of phosphates around than lots of borax. Borax is best left out in the desert.
I see borax mentioned frequently, and I use it myself. Now I'm wondering if I should

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Citrus Oil Products

If a product has citrus oil in it, it must use synthetic detergents to emulsify the citrus oil. (If you ever have tried to use pure citrus oil (or d-limonene), it's completely insoluble in water and must be combined with a detergent to make it useful.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with these products, it's just that they are completely mis-labeled. I think people have a right to know that these products are in no way shape or form natural.
on chlorine
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Bio Pac feels that the household use of chlorine does not harm the environment unless it is used excessively. It's the industrial use of chlorine where millions of gallons are used in the pulp industry where chlorine creates havoc. This is because much of the chlorine remains unreacted in the discharge. Unreacted chlorine is very harmful to the environment. However, at home, little, if any chlorine even makes it to the end of your drain system as it becomes completely oxidized if used properly. It has been common in the green cleaning business to take a real problem, i.e. chlorine in the paper and pulp industry, and apply it incorrectly to a different use, i.e. chlorine in the home.
and this
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A recent study found that 95% of the ecological impact of laundry and dish products was not the cleaning product, but the packaging!
Thoughts?
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Hmmm. I am not sure. They want you to buy their products, so to that degree they are trying to make any alternative look like poison. Probably in part because their products are extraordinarily expensive (1 gallon Laundry Liquid for $53.47?).

If you can find another source that seconds some of their claims, I'd look at it more seriously.
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Originally Posted by erika h
Hmmm. I am not sure. They want you to buy their products, so to that degree they are trying to make any alternative look like poison. Probably in part because their products are extraordinarily expensive (1 gallon Laundry Liquid for $53.47?).

If you can find another source that seconds some of their claims, I'd look at it more seriously.
Those are bulk pricing...that's actually a case of 6 - 1 gallon jugs (so 6 gallons @ $53.47...comes to almost $9/gal).

But yeah - I considered that...it's biased info. Some of it makes sense though. That's why I posted here - I'd like to see if anyone else has heard these things or has any additional info. Also hoping to get my biologist DH to read it and see what he thinks and what he can find.
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Citrus Oil Products

If a product has citrus oil in it, it must use synthetic detergents to emulsify the citrus oil. (If you ever have tried to use pure citrus oil (or d-limonene), it's completely insoluble in water and must be combined with a detergent to make it useful.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with these products, it's just that they are completely mis-labeled. I think people have a right to know that these products are in no way shape or form natural.
Um, you don't need to use a detergent in order to dissolve oil in water. Soap works too!

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Procter & Gamble commissioned a study for their cleaning products and found that over 95% of the environmental damage came from the packaging and NOT the products.
Two things come to mind here: First of all, I can't help but wonder if this information is biased, considering the source. Secondly, what is P&G packaging their cleaning products in that's so horrible for the environment?

Reading that web page made me think that I should just clean with vinegar and Dr Bronner's soaps, or perhaps grated bar soap for all my washing (less packaging, right?) It doesn't make me want to buy THEIR products!
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Originally Posted by Ruthla
Reading that web page made me think that I should just clean with vinegar and Dr Bronner's soaps, or perhaps grated bar soap for all my washing (less packaging, right?) It doesn't make me want to buy THEIR products!
Yeah, I thought that, too. I was interested in the parts about the borax and the citrus cleaner. I have some citrus cleaner, that I bought before starting to use vinegar, and I had been wondering if it mattered much which I used. And borax...it's recommended in various home-made cleaners. Speaking briefly with DH he said that mining is really bad in any situation...that it just does horribly destructive things to the environment. And regarding the packaging he says that's the processes involved in making the packaging (don't have any more details - sorry!).
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