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post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by SarahJayn
Well, if that were true, every child in the nation with allergies would have a 504 or I.E.P. and they don't. Those documents, like I said before and to the best of my knowledge, are only created for specific children to adress specific school-related issues. For example, we have a selective mute at our school. I happen to know she's allergic to peanuts. On her 504, it says she's a selective mute. That's because children are sometimes assessed orally. Since she can't speak due to her being a selective mute, the assessment needs to be modified. It doesn't say she's allergic to peanuts because eatting peanuts isn't part of the curriculum or assessment plan. That's on her emergency card. It is national law that all allergies be documented, but I don't think its necessarily written that its on a 504 or IEP. I know - for a fact - that its not done that way in our county.
Also, I know she didn't say that, but the reality is that's how most parents celebrate birthdays in school. To say that the whole class can't do that because of one child - - I don't think that's "common courtesy." I think, like I said before that if you feel strongly, join your P.T.A., get involved, and find out if other people feel that way. If not, then tell your kid they can't have it. It's your decision to dictate what your child eats, not how the class holds celebrations.
I might add that when someone brings in cupcakes to my class, they usually bring one for me, the teacher. I'm vegan. I don't eat cupcakes. I don't have one. When I was little, my teacher had a pizza party - - all the pizza was pepporoni. I was a vegatarian then. You know what I did? I didn't eat it and my classmates did. I know what its like to be the "odd kid out," but I think I'm better off there than the "kid whose mom made it impossible to have cupcakes in class."

If the child comes with an epi-pen then they must have a 504 at the very least to protect them. 504's are often used as student health plans and just because your district doesn't does things like there supposed to doesn't make it right. Perhaps your district is one of the ones I hear POFAKs complaining about. As for expecting a child to chose not to eat something that's ridiculous, my dd is 5, if I'm there she will ask if its ok, if I'm not more then once she has eaten an item because of peer pressure or because the teacher gave it to her she assumed it was safe because why would her teacher want to hurt her? There's a huge difference between choosing not to eat pizza because your a veggie and eating the cupcake and DYING because the mom who made it didn't know it contained milk so didn't tell the teacher because most people actually have no clue what's in the food they cook if there using box mixes and such. I can tell you every ingredient of every meal we eat and where it came from, I rarely meet someone else that aware. Schools feed kids enough crap in the cafeteria, they don't need it in the class room as well. I know I volunteered to pay for a shopping spree though OTC for my dd's kindy class but the teacher still preferred to buy the crap junk food and exclude my kiddo or just give it to her and let me deal with a sick kid as a result. Thankfully her preschool teacher was wonderful and had several kids with allergies in the class so had a rule that if EVERYONE couldn't have it no one could and the kids didn't care they missed cupcakes and they still had wonderful fun b-day parties that included EVERYONE and no one was left feeling bad because they were excluded.
post #42 of 53
No offense, but I don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect the entire class to never eat a food because one child has an allergy. While this may be easier in preschool, it will become impossible as the kids grow. My oldest dds first grade teacher wanted her class to do this because a child had a peanut allergy. The parents had a fit because peanut butter is pretty much a staple of lunches. For very picky kids like my dd, who don't eat meat, peanut butter is an important choice. She finally settled for having parents send a note if the lunch contained peanuts or peanut butter. Basically, I sent her a note requesting my daughter be assigned to another lunch table permanently, since the kids had assigned tables for lunch. In our school, parents send snacks for their own child in the lunch box. The exception being a birthday. They don't really do holiday parties.

Allergies are a fact of life. The child needs to be taught WHY they cannot eat a certain food. My dd does this with artificial colors. She knows she can't have it and if red juice is offered, she will refuse and drink her water that I send. I mean, we can't remove milk from the lunch room because some kids are allergic to milk. I had a little girl in Pre K once with a milk allergy. She knew not to drink it and would tell anyone around her that she couldn't drink milk. She was only 4. If they don't know how to manage their own dietary needs, a class treat is the least of a parent's worries. They could share food in the lunchroom and still get sick. Teachers aren't there to watch every bite that goes into their mouths at lunch.
post #43 of 53
A 504 BY LAW encompasses any accommodations that a child needs within a public school setting. I'm sorry you and your colleagues and the university staffers have such a poor understanding of it. I don't quite get why it's so difficult for you to comprehend why it would be covered. Satori brought up an epi pen; that's another accommodation and it's one that requires a plan of action, including appropriate training. That's part of what would be covered by the 504. I'm familiar with your "local university"...maybe I should give them a call myself.
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by ojibwamama
I domy best to provide my kids with nutritious food to bring to school. We don't do hot dog days, and I have told the teacher that we eat a whole foods diet.
The teacher gives out candy as prizes in class, and when I offered to bring in different treats for my 7 yo daughter, she said no, that it would not be fair to the other children:
Yesterday, my daughter came home and was literally bouncing off of the walls. i asked her what the teacher had given her, and she said 100 fruit loops. (it was 100 day) All that sugar and food colouring!!!
My question is, what should I do? Should I talk to the teacher again? She wasn't very receptive last time and frankly, I think she thinks I am a nut. Should I go to the principal?
Well, here's the op and no mention of allergy. Clearly a preference, rather than life threatening allergy. A 504 is only used in the case of a LIFE THREATENING allergy in which the respiratory system would be affected and the child could actually die. Not for a child that will "bounce off the walls". This would NEVER GET A 504 in any district anywhere, ever. My own dd has an allergy to the colorings and will get a tummy ache and will have behavioral issues. This is not a 504 issue, although it does affect her health. 504 plans are for disabilities that fall outside the thirteen IDEA categories, which require an IEP.
post #45 of 53
http://www.chtu.org/504.html

http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/504faq.html

From that site:
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STUDENTS PROTECTED UNDER SECTION 504

Section 504 covers qualified students with disabilities who attend schools receiving Federal financial assistance. To be protected under Section 504, a student must be determined to: 1) have a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities; 2) have a record of such an impairment, or 3) be regarded as having such an impairment. Section 504 requires that school districts provide a free and appropriate public education (FAPE) to qualified students in their jurisdictions who have a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities.

Major life activities include breathing.

A 504 is covered under the ADA; An IEP is covered under IDEA.
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by SarahJayn
The University of South Florida
Graduate Department
College of Education
(813)-974-3400
Ask away! The more education the better!
Go ahead. Call. Ask. Say, "What is the legal definition of a 504 and would it be appropriate to use to express my desire for my child to eat a whole foods diet on?"
See what response you get.
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Also, for anyone who cares:
http://concordspedpac.org/WhatIEP.htm
and
http://www.theparentaladvocate.com/w...a-504-plan.htm
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There's some things about diabetic being able to eat in the classroom, but nothing about making up a 504 to state your kid can't have sugar.
What get me is that when we overuse and misoppropriate forms like this, they tend to loose their meaning.
Now your just being ridiculous, 504's are for life threatening food allergies not personal prefs. Yes I prefer my child eats a whole foods diet but I'll be dammed if I'm going to let the teacher kill my kid because she can't be bothered to check with me if something is ok. Its teachers like you who make us choose to home school and go to home school groups were people are more compassionate about kids with disabilities and fwiw, I helped get a teacher FIRED for having your attitude so I highly recommend you start rethinking some things before you get a student with a parent like me who WILL take your district to court over the issue.
post #47 of 53
The allergy discussion grew out of the original topic when it was, incorrectly, asserted that severe life-threatening allergies are not covered by a 504 plan. Personally, I never said that a 504 plan would cover sugar or dyes, unless there was a true allergy or a documented medical reaction involved. I did speak to the original topic as well; however, when people assert such incredible inaccuracies, with little understanding of the facts, I will speak up.
post #48 of 53
You know what folks, SarahJayn is a new poster and honestly I think she's here just to troll, as they say, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!
post #49 of 53
www.orientaltrading.com
has bulk "prizes" you can use instead of candy...

oh dear I just read the whole thread AFTER I posted- sorry did not mean to change the subject
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by SarahJayn
Thank you, that was all I was trying to say. Reading back, I'm sorry I got so worked up over it. However, as a teacher some of these comments felt a little "attacky" to me (I realize that's a made up word). I know my business and I care about my kids.
I totally agree that teachers should (if they are made aware by a responsible parent who informed them) respect a parent's wishes to not feed their child whatever, but its not a 504 issue.
I understand. I was a teacher and I thought the comments about teachers not giving a rat's ass were very rude. Also, dd's teacher is very accomodating with not giving artificial colors to my dd, so all teachers aren't like that. I think it's a bit much to expect teachers to read labels to comply with a preference. Rather, it's the PARENT's responsibility to send alternatives for their child.

Wow, Santori, another extremely rude comment.
post #51 of 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahJayn
The University of South Florida
Graduate Department
College of Education
(813)-974-3400
Ask away! The more education the better!
Go ahead. Call. Ask. Say, "What is the legal definition of a 504 and would it be appropriate to use to express my desire for my child to eat a whole foods diet on?"

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There's some things about diabetic being able to eat in the classroom, but nothing about making up a 504 to state your kid can't have sugar.
What get me is that when we overuse and misoppropriate forms like this, they tend to loose their meaning.
THAT'S what you asked??? No wonder they laughed. That was not what you said here:
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Also, my district meets the national law. A 504 (and I've asked teachers in other districts as well as my own) is for "educational accomidations" - - NOT ALLERGIES.
It's this kind of attitude and this kind of misinterpretation of basic educational rights that makes me regret ever being a part of the system.
post #52 of 53
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Originally Posted by SarahJayn
Actually, I signed up because I care about kids, but I'm leaving. Apparently, the only point of view that counts is yours. Don't threaten me with getting fired, either. I spoke up because the (what I consider) nobel profession of teaching what being crapped on with rude comments and generalizations. Then, I saw a gross inaccuracy of understanding of the law. So, I did some research to try and make sure I was correct, and then I went to the forum.
If it's teacher like me - teachers that spend over half their paycheque on buying books their school can't afford, teachers who get grants for field trips their kids can't afford, teachers who work 12+ hour days to make sure that each child in her classroom has the BEST educational experience possible in her classroom that make you keep your kid at home, that's fine.
I have never ignored a 504, an I.E.P., or an allergy instruction (on an EMERGENCY CARD or in a HEALTH FOLDER where it belongs because it is not a regular classroom activity to eat peanut butter or drink milk last time I checked). I find there to be some very nice, open-minded people out there, but I don't need negativity in my life, so good-bye. Have fun agreeing with each other and talking in circles.
Adios!
I'm sorry Sarah! Some of the comments made to you were very rude and clearly in violation of the UA. Obviously, you are a good teacher and care for the students you teach. Unfortunately, teachers become scapegoats for parents sometimes.
post #53 of 53
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Well...since the posts are being systematically deleted and all evidence of misspelling, etc...is being deleted with them (geez, I hate when people do that...), I guess I'll delete the above.

However, in response to Writermama's previous post, I will say that what I just deleted was the only personal comment I've made. All of my other posts were directed at the inaccuracies in her statements. And, as I've said before, I will not hesitate to speak up at any time about allergies and related general misperceptions because, too often, those misperceptions directly threaten a life. There was clearly a strong misunderstanding about the purpose of a 504 plan and what it can cover; that misunderstanding, asserted by a member of a public school system, could ultimately impact a child's life.
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