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post #21 of 65
Thank you both Mel and Renee. You both took the words right out of my mouth. I nodded through both of your entire posts.

Do I think the testing should be done? Yes.

Do I think consent should be asked? Honestly it would be nice but their priority is saving your life and the live of your child not whether or not you are honest about your "drug use" (not saying you ARE using). They need to know what (if anything) is in your system to be able to correctly diagnose and treat you.
post #22 of 65
I would not be upset. It think that it is in the best interest to the doctors to have a better idea of what they have to deal with.

If you are concerned about the tests that are run. Then I think that when you arrive you need to tell them to inform you of any and all test that they would like to run no matter how standard it may be and that no test shall be run without your consent.
post #23 of 65
I for one, am grateful that hospitals run the tox screen with or without consent. If they didn't my crack whore SIL would still have custody of the 6 kids she's delivered with crack in their systems. People like her are the reason the testing is done.
post #24 of 65
I would have been furious. But i don't really see how you had any other choice, satori, but to go into the er to have your blood work done..... which sucks, because i think the whole situation shows how little control women really have over their own bodies, especially during pregnancy. Tbh, the whole thread makes me feel like my full value as a human rests with being a fetus incubator.

And am in total agreement with this.
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Originally Posted by thismama
When you get done being "absolutely horrified," you might want to reflect on how it is exactly attitudes like this that prevent women who use substances (and women who don't but who don't like to have their privacy violated) from accessing prenatal and postnatal care. Which magnifies the risk of harm to fetuses and newborns.
Also, limace, your agency might not go after the dope smokers, but many other agencies have in the past & still do. And bitter, hard lessons from the past are not easily forgotten, or forgiven...... ime there is a wide range of 'illegal drug' users, from the aforementioned 'crackwhore' to the occasional pot smoker. Mass testing at hospitals puts all of these women at risk of losing their children to the state, & in the vast majority of the cases I can't see how that is helpful at all.
post #25 of 65
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Originally Posted by aussiemum
Tbh, the whole thread makes me feel like my full value as a human rests with being a fetus incubator.
Ug, this is why I'm having a hard time being 'pro-life.' Now I'm a pro-lifer who does not vote, as the pro-life legislation seems to be biased toward the government having absolute control over pregnant women. I beleive life begins at conception, and termination of that is wrong, but I do not believe that the government should have the rights to tell me what to do because of the above-mentioned fetus incubator deal. Stuck between a rock and a hard place... Stupid government, I'm leaning more anarchist all the time.

Cara
post #26 of 65
Satori, I would have been furious, too. :

I think it's pretty scary that people think it's okay to have your privacy violated if the reason is "good enough". Doesn't anyone see how subjective that can be? IMO, no reason is good enough. Privacy is privacy and it's non-negotiable.
post #27 of 65
Mass testing at hospitals puts all of these women at risk of losing their children to the state, & in the vast majority of the cases I can't see how that is helpful at all.

Well, if you aren't doing drugs while you're pregnant you won't have anything to worry about. I have no sympathy for people who put their babies lives in danger by smoking pot or doing harder drugs. What do you think that's doing to your unborn child? Don't even give me that crap about it not hurting anything--if you're inhaling smoke it's cutting off oxygen to the placenta.
post #28 of 65
I review labwork at my job, so I see women's prenatal records as they get filed. I'm often transcribing the data onto our forms. It's always interesting what different areas of the country do for prenatal testing - it really varies. About 10% of the records come in with "substances of abuse" testing. The women did not consent for that any more than they really consented to the cystic fibrosis screen or the sphyllis screen. It's just drawn and done.
I share your anger. It would be a lot more respectful to answer your direct question. Even if the answer is, "I will not do the blood work without this other test, per our hospital policy". There is value in honesty, IMO, even if it leads to a confrontation.
post #29 of 65
2sweeties - Smoking marijuana does not put fetuses' lives in danger. As for smoke cutting off oxygen to the fetus, have you ever found yourself behind the exhaust pipe of a car or truck while pg? I would worry a lot more about that than occasional marijuana smoke.

I'm glad I don't live in the States. What a lot of hysteria.
post #30 of 65
2sweeties - Smoking marijuana does not put fetuses' lives in danger.

Sure, keep on telling yourself that. I used to think like you--now I have a 5 year old with severe asthma and ADHD.
post #31 of 65
Thismama, I respectfully disagree. Smoking marijuana can affect a baby in utero.

It crosses the placenta, increases carbon monoxide and dioxide in the blood decreasing O2 to the developing fetus, and can affect placental function and fetal endocrine system. I read on one website where even once a month use can put an unborn child at risk for attention disorders & learning problems.
post #32 of 65
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 2Sweeties1Angel
Mass testing at hospitals puts all of these women at risk of losing their children to the state, & in the vast majority of the cases I can't see how that is helpful at all.

Well, if you aren't doing drugs while you're pregnant you won't have anything to worry about. I have no sympathy for people who put their babies lives in danger by smoking pot or doing harder drugs. What do you think that's doing to your unborn child? Don't even give me that crap about it not hurting anything--if you're inhaling smoke it's cutting off oxygen to the placenta.

and what about the women who test positive even though they don't do drugs? I know several women who've had to deal with CPS issues because the hospital didn't bother to ask the mom why they tested positive, they just called CPS and let the mom deal with the fall out. There are certain meds and even foods that can make you test positive and I sure as heck have NEVER been asked if I've taken any of them before a drug screen (for employment). I know an MDC mama who tested + on her drug screen, why? She was taking Tylenol 3 for migraines but the hospital still treated her like crap because of a positive screen. Another mom I know nearly lost her child at birth because of a positive screen and the kid was born hooked on something, she was lucky she was able to pull her prescription out of her purse and prove she was not a druggie and the hospital canceled the call to CPS AFTER it had been made. I have a right to my privacy, if they had been up front about the screen that's one thing but to hide the fact they did it and invaded my privacy, that's what's got me angry.
post #33 of 65
How 'bout some stats then? Or some proof your child's conditions were caused by smoking weed? Many mamas who don't smoke have children with those health conditions. And many mamas who do smoke, don't.
post #34 of 65
Wow, this thread has really seemed to get off track, IMO.

My 2 cents...

Satori, I too am appalled. I do not think any unauthorized testing should be done, ever. When I was pregnant my OB kept trying to bully me in to taking a Hep C test because I was a former iv drug user. I even signed the waiver saying I did not want one...well, she did one anyway! I found out when I asked for a copy of my file and was livid! I had very good reasons for not wanting the test to be done and if it had come out positive I would have taken legal action but, thank god it didn't. Oh yeah, same thing happened with the HIV test, as well. I think it is all tied in with them taking God 101 in medical school
post #35 of 65
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sweetbaby3
Thismama, I respectfully disagree. Smoking marijuana can affect a baby in utero.

It crosses the placenta, increases carbon monoxide and dioxide in the blood decreasing O2 to the developing fetus, and can affect placental function and fetal endocrine system. I read on one website where even once a month use can put an unborn child at risk for attention disorders & learning problems.
Mothering did an entire issue on this and it seems to contradict what your saying. If it did everyone in Jamaica would have severe ADHD, your seen as a bad mother if you don't smoke it while pregnant so generations have been born to MJ smoking mama's and they all seem fine.
post #36 of 65
We were just talking in one of my classes about the crossover effects of thc/mj smoke in fetuses. My professor said there has been NO definitive studies that have linked problems with children after being exposed to mj in utero or after birth; including breast feeding. It is totally different than cigarette smoke!!! (which has been linked to ADHA and asthma)
post #37 of 65
Lots of mamas here on MDC smoke during pregnancy and breastfeeding. Let's not insult a whole group of ppl with misinformation and hysteria.
post #38 of 65
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Originally Posted by Satori
Mothering did an entire issue on this and it seems to contradict what your saying. If it did everyone in Jamaica would have severe ADHD, your seen as a bad mother if you don't smoke it while pregnant so generations have been born to MJ smoking mama's and they all seem fine.
Thats fine that Mothering did an entire issue on it. I was just stating what I knew from research that contradicts Mothering. And Mothering is one magazine. I am sure there is plenty of research on both that would back both of us up.

I think its irresponsible to get high while pregnant, then again, I live in the United States, not Jamaica.
post #39 of 65
Well I live in Canada, and I think it's just fine.
post #40 of 65
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Originally Posted by thismama
Lots of mamas here on MDC smoke during pregnancy and breastfeeding. Let's not insult a whole group of ppl with misinformation and hysteria.

Um, thismama...I can't tell whether this is for me or not?! I was referring to cigarette smoke being harmful not, mj smoke...But, I'm not one to judge cigarette smokers either...
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