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my son to not be bored at or dislike school? He went to Montessori preschool, but we can't afford elementary. He's going to a WONDERFUL alternative charter school. But his teacher had to take over as director halfway through the year (temporarily until they hire a new director, but that won't be till the summer and he'll have a new teacher next year) and his new teacher is, well, new. As in her first year teaching and he is in a class with 7 boys and 3 girls. At least half of the boys were in regular public school last year and their parents switched them to our school b/c of behavior problems and possibly to keep them from being medicated or put in sp ed. Which I can't blame them for at all, I'd do the same, but now ds is no longer getting the individual attention he got last year and during the first half of this year (b/c his original teacher was very experienced and GOOD. Seriously the best teacher I've ever seen in action. She made every day as fun as possible.) He actually had 3 more boys in his class, but 1 they moved to 2nd grade, 1 back to Kindergarten, and the third went back to Montessori. Those 3 boys were his closest friends which really doesn't help at all. He hasn't learned anything new in weeks. He was learning multiplication before his teachers switched and when I ask him about math, he says it's boring and he's doing the same thing everyone else is doing (he was the only first grader doing multiplication, so I seriously doubt ALL of them are doing it now.) His new teacher also still has him reading the same level he was in before break and I think he's probably 10 levels past that by now based on the books he reads at home. No wonder he's bored.

He doesn't hate school, but he doesn't particularly like it anymore either. He says he only likes 3 things at school now--art, recess, and enrichment classes (every Fri afternoon, parents teach enrichment classes for 2 hours. Usually 5-6 kids per class on any subject the parent wants to do. I taught a "Fun w/ Dough" class once just for fun. THe kids helped make playdoh, made sculptures out of it, made pretzels, etc. I've also taught a basic chemistry of soap class. Right now I think ds is taking astronomy. They're usually 2 hours every Friday for 6 weeks and then new ones.) He tells me he wants to stay home with me and my brothers every day. And sometimes he also says he wants to go back to Montessori and he hasn't gone there since he was 4. Maybe b/c his best friend is going there now, but he used to say that sometimes before his friend left his school.

How do you make the call to say enough's enough? Is boredom enough or does a kid have to truly hate school before you consider trying something else? My dh thinks I'm overreacting. I HATED school! Seriously hated it. Dh didn't like school either, but he thinks it's a necessary evil and you have to force the kids to go. I'm considering homeschooling, but I'm not sure if I have the energy or the organizational skills. Dh is a grad student and rarely home and I'm drained by the 2 little ones w/out having to find time for lessons, etc. This whole situation is really stressing me out. Any thoughts?
post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by wendy1221

How do you make the call to say enough's enough? Is boredom enough or does a kid have to truly hate school before you consider trying something else? My dh thinks I'm overreacting. I HATED school! Seriously hated it. Dh didn't like school either, but he thinks it's a necessary evil and you have to force the kids to go. I'm considering homeschooling, but I'm not sure if I have the energy or the organizational skills. Dh is a grad student and rarely home and I'm drained by the 2 little ones w/out having to find time for lessons, etc. This whole situation is really stressing me out.
Wendy, I couldn't read without responding...I am in a similar place, DS *hates* school, at least the work part of it and I'm also considering HSing him. BTW, I got your link through the HS thread you opened. My DS is 11 and there are complications for us such as...I'm a single mom (I understand how it is getting a partner to be on your/ your DCs side...he has special needs (though i think they could maybe be adressed through HSing) and he has a little sis who loves school who would also probably like to stay home with mom.

I'm not trying to hijack, just offer my support as i can tell you I could sure use some support while trying to make these important decisions.

Also, remember...you can always re-enroll in school if it doesn't work out.

Good luck in your decision.
post #3 of 13
Have you had a conference with the teacher and/or principal? Seems like with only 10 kids in the class, the teacher should be able to work out something that works for all of the kids. If she's overwhelmed, maybe she needs your support to get the school leadership to listen. My daughter's kindergarten class has 26 kids, one teacher and one aide - and it's a Spanish/English bilingual class to boot, and they manage. Perhaps they could get an aide, or pull kids out separately or in small groups to do special assignments by ability level? Maybe have some time where the kids teach each other? (Could your child maybe be a reading helper to younger kids, or something like that?)

When my mom was stuck with us as kids going to a crappy public school in Indiana with no other choice, she focused on enrichment outside of school hours. We went to the library all the time, did all sorts of workbooks, experiments, etc. You could do that if you were really stuck, although it doesn't make the school day better.

Hope that helps a little. I know how it is to be bored with school, too!
post #4 of 13
I thought of something else - our teacher has parents in there all the time volunteering. Maybe that is something that you could encourage in your son's class? The parent enrichment classes sound great. Sometimes my daughter's class has a special event that they prepare for and then the parents attend in the evening. We have had two literacy nights and they're having an evening soon to showcase their marine animals unit. Just another idea!
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If you can,I would pull him and allow him to be free at home. Not liking school is a bad feeling,especially for a child. We only have our children as children for a short while. If you can see the way,bring him home. He'll thrive just being with you and his siblings.
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Wendy,
I just noticed that you are located in Indiana! Hope you weren't offended by my remark! I grew up in NW Indiana - that's where my crappy elementary school was located.
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Originally Posted by oldermamato5
If you can,I would pull him and allow him to be free at home. Not liking school is a bad feeling,especially for a child. We only have our children as children for a short while. If you can see the way,bring him home. He'll thrive just being with you and his siblings.
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Originally Posted by Ragana
Wendy,
I just noticed that you are located in Indiana! Hope you weren't offended by my remark! I grew up in NW Indiana - that's where my crappy elementary school was located.
Oh, no. no offense to you, but I'm from PA and the schools system really sucks here. Even worse than there!

Ds goes to a charter school. They barely have enough money to pay the teachers, so an aid is out. She really does need help, her class is out of control most days. 2 of the girls are total drama queens (I feel bad labelling them, but this is how the class is) who cry every time a particular boys looks at them or says anything to them. And by cry, I mean wail and throw themselves on theh floor, cover their ears and shriek. That boy is mean on purpose (I get the feeling his parents are like that w/ him, poor kid.) One of the boys is classic AD/HD REALLY hyper, can't sit still, keep his hands to himself, be quiet. The kids are allowed to get up and move around as needed, but they're not supposed to touch/disturb each other or make noise. They're all very loud. The ADD boy (ftr, I think that's a crap diagnosis, I'm just trying to describe the class) also always has snacks full of red dye #40 and hf corn syrup, so that can't help his attention problems. The other boys in the class are mostly also even more energetic than average, although not quite to the extent of that boy. THis is his class dynamic right now. It is almost complete chaos. They are all really great kids and I can't say there is a single one I dislike, it's just together, they're really really wild.

I go in to help for 2 hours every Tuesday morning while ds2 is in the toddler class at the Montessori (he loves it! Goes twice a week. The other day I'm taking a pottery class.) Parent involvement like that is strongly encouraged, unfortunately, the parents of the kids in his class this year are not the most involved and I think I'm the only one doing that. THere is one other mom who would, but like me she has a toddler who would be too disruptive.

I have a conference set up with his teacher. It's either today or tomorrow, can't remember. I am going to talk with her and after I talk w/ her I'm planning on talking to the director to discuss taking a leave of absence (so we don't lose his spot for next year in case he wants to go back if I do decide to homeschool the rest of the year.)

My biggest issue w/ the idea of homeschooling is that I am not very organized, don't like schedules, am REALLY busy w/ an extremely high needs baby (w/ multiple food allergies that make that even worse if something happens that he gets exposed) and a 2 year old. Ds1 says he wants to be homeschooled, but I think he thinks if he's home all day he'll be able to talk me into letting him watch tv or play computer games all day b/c that's what he tries to do on Saturdays. ANd honestly, if I get frazzled enough by the other 2, I may let him do that way too often!

This is a really hard decision for me, and I guess I need help talking it through. Thanks so much for your replies. You are helping me think.
post #9 of 13
Wow is that a tough situation. It's OK - I can understand your viewpoint about homeschooling. It sounds like a dream to me, but it wouldn't work in our circumstances (not to mention my DH is studying to be a schoolteacher - LOL!) Honestly, though, if the alternative is being in a class that is preventing him from thriving, maybe a short leave of absence would be better. Maybe the people on the homeschooling forum could help you with the legalities. I know IL is one of the most liberal states for homeschooling, but I don't know about IN. By the way, I applaud you taking a pottery class - that must be a great way to relax a bit in the middle of it all and get some time to retank your energy.

Anyway, one more thing I thought of was that maybe when you have the conference, you could ask the teacher about the school district providing some sort of help for the other kids in the class. It sounds like there might be more going on than just kids acting out now and then. If they have actual diagnoses, aren't they entitled to special assistance from the school district? Not sure how that works with charter schools - we don't have too many charter schools in IL. I'm assuming the charter school is part of the public school district. Our preschool here applied for and got a "block grant" for this type of assistance to special needs kids from the state. Of course, even if your school was able to do that it could take another year.

I hope the conference goes well - best of luck and let us know if things improve!
post #10 of 13
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Thanks for your thoughts, Ragana. I have talked to the director about diagnosing before. Here in IN, you need to have a learning disability on top of ADD before the state will authorize more help. We are pretty sure my ds has SID, although he's getting much better, but they recommended I not have him diagnosed until he's a little older b/c the state won't give him in-school therapy unless he has a LD as well (and we needed more time at that time to see if he had any LD.) Which probably won't happen since he's so advanced academically, and doesn't show any sign of LD. So these boys who are just really active won't get help, the state will just say they need medicated for a medical condition. In their eyes, that's what it is, a medical condition treated w/ drugs, not a learning disability treated w/ some extra therapy. . I disagree w/ that, obviously. I tend to think that it's more of a problem w/ trying to teach boys w/ a teaching style that is really geared towards the way girls learn. But hat's another topic, I guess. ANd this school is much better about that than regular public school.

I worked in the classroom today and these kids who are usually out of control, just having me in there to remind them to focus while the teacher was working w/ another group helped a lot. I mentioned to the director that I wanted to talk to her, and said a little about what D has been saying. She said she'll work w/ his teacher to try and get some more challenging activities for him. I'm going to make an appt to discuss a leave of absence, though.

They finally reassessed his reading level today. They had him reading at level 17 and he is at level 25 according to the assessment. I think they need to reassess him more often. He's learning to read so fast!

While I was there, I overheard the teachers discussing this group. THey were talking about splitting them into 2 groups and combining them w/ next year's 3rd grade class next year so that there will be 2 2nd/3rd grade multi-age classrooms. I think that is an excellent idea and perhaps next year will be ok.
post #11 of 13
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OK, I finally had a talk w/ ds. I asked him if he would rather stay home with me and his brothers and I could homeschool him, or if he'd rather I asked his teacher to give him harder work. With no hesitation, he said he wanted to go to school and have harder work. I even asked if he'd like to do half-days at school and do a little schoolwork at home the rest of the day, again, he said he'd rather stay in school all day. Not sure how I feel about it, but we'll see how this goes. I've already talked to his teacher and the director and hopefully they'll be able to give him what he wants/needs.
post #12 of 13
Hi Wendy,
That's great that you overheard the teachers discussing the class - it means they're aware there's a problem and are working about it.
About your son choosing school - I think my daughter would make the same choice, even if I wanted to homeschool her.
Best of luck to you, and I'm glad things are potentially getting better!
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I'm a little late here but just wanted to say I'm glad it seems to be getting better. I think talking to your son and his teacher was a good idea. Something has to change for him to enjoy school and more importantly learning. I'm betting that the transition from Montessori to Public school had a big impact on him. He's used to being able to choose what he wants to learn and work at his own pace. Once he mastered something he could go on to something more challenging. If that need is not being met in the new school then I can see how he would get frustrated.

Oh and just a comment about homeschooling, you don't have to be really organized and have things structured... in fact that seems to be one of the beauties of homeschooling. Self-pace and child led learning will come naturally and without much effort.

Hope it gets better for him! Just stay involved and make sure the school and teacher meet his needs
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