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post #301 of 409
interesting article:

http://chronicle.com/jobs/news/2007/...c/careers.html
post #302 of 409
Yes, interesting article

luckily mine is not 80% but it is alot.

I feel caught in the same web as that guy.
post #303 of 409
I don't find it surprising at all. THat's the way it is in research intensive universities, like where I am.

Although 50 percent of my time is spent on service, mentoring and teaching..it counts for very little with tenure.

My tenure will be 90% my research productivity. This includes publishing, grants, and mentoring PHD students as they contribute to the lab and my research program. We are expected to put out about 3-4 peer reviewed articles a year based on original research.

Par for the course where I am. I knew this going in, and it's kind of what I like because I love research and it's how I define myself as a professor. My teaching is a joy too, and the students love me, but my focus has to be on research.
post #304 of 409
Hi there,
Not to academcially related, but wanted to let everyone know that I've got another little one on the way! I've changed schools since ds was born, but I think this place may also be open to me bringing him to my office when I can.
We may have timed this pretty well, looks like an early summer baby.
post #305 of 409
Congrats athansor .... may you have a healthy 9 months!
post #306 of 409
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We may have timed this pretty well, looks like an early summer baby.
that is great timing, in my experience - congratulations!

so, I had my faculty moms group meeting. it was fantastic! about 17 moms (+5 babies) came, but there were at least 10 more who just couldn't make it. Lobbying for improved childcare options, and many social interactions are planned. we'll see if we can keep the momentum going.

and...I'm headed to southern utah for field work next week. D. and others convinced me to do it. Quite a production though - my mom is coming out, we're staying in a hotel... oh for the days of tossing a sleeping bag and tent in the jeep and disappearing for a week.
post #307 of 409
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another prf-er here. Good luck to all of us! :
CJ -- news on your proposal?

RECOMMENDED for funding!!! OMG, this has been a suprimely crappy week. I'm now higher than a kite!
post #308 of 409
CJ - you can do it, I have supreme confidence in you.

geofizz - congrats on your prf!!!! That is great. I submitted in the same round as you but had to withdraw a couple of months later due to budget issues. I resubmitted in August.
post #309 of 409
Congrats Geofizz!
I just found out my first NSF proposal didn't make it, but I"m in on another, and will be trying for a state grant here in October. I'm not pushing it too hard right now, though, becuase we are going to introduce our new engineering programs next fall!!

Right now we have an industrial technology program, and I was hired to teach petroleum engineering and geology through that program...kind of an odd fit. When I was hired, the rumor was that I was going to help grow an engineering program and the technology program was to get something on paper and offer classes to gauge community interest. We then had some consultant come and help us determine if we should move forward. Their recommendation is to move forward with three engineering degrees and a fourth concentration. So, now I'm working on developing the curriculum to go to the state and the universities curriculum committee! It's pretty cool, becuase I'm actually getting to build the engineering programs! Between that and a few papers that I've got coming out on gender and personell issues in the industry (oh and the teaching....I"ve got 5 classes this semester....3 in my field, one for the math department, and a general seminar for first year students interested in engineering).

Anyway, that's my big news, or at least my other big news!

Now, here's a question. Do you think that getting a nose piercing would be inappropriate for a faculty member in engineering? I've been thinking about getting one, and am also kind of considering getting out in the job search this round or next, and was just curious about things like that and how they would effect if at all, performance reviews and impressions at interviews.
post #310 of 409
Athansor -- Sorry about the NSF grant. If you are mostly going through engineering, their CAREER grants tend to be very early in the tenure stream. You might want to look into that, particularly with all the curriculum development you're doing. My program director (EAR) suggests starting after year 3 or 4, though. You might want to call and ask.

I wrote a blog entry once on "How to sneeze at <My university>" It pertained to the red tape involved in ever so slightly altering the name of a course. I'm now in the process of proposing a new course (grad-level class in geodynamics). Oh, my, the levels of approval for a single stinkin course. :

I know engineering faculty with nose rings. I don't know engineering faculty with nose rings in TX.
post #311 of 409
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CJ -- news on your proposal?
GOT IT!!

Yay US My NSF from last spring was recommended too. Was awake last night thinking 'how on earth am I going to do all this work?'

athansor - hang in there, all these were 2nd and 3rd time submissions. one of them didn't change much either, sometimes you just have to get in line repeatedly, it seems. I'm glad you're excited about the program! I wouldn't be bothered by a piercing, but I know it would at least be commented on here.
post #312 of 409

External review??

Anyone have experience with this?? I have done a couple of external reviews for people over the years and they haven't been too bad. However I agreed to do one for someone I don't know. The person does what I do at a similar institution. They sent me the file and I've been reviewing it. The person's record is IMHO pretty unimpressive. Compared to what's expected here what I see reflected is to my mind pretty thin. I also got no criteria or directions. So perhaps the person has done well by their standards, but I don't know. I did e-mail the Dean there and asked for some direction but I have gotten no response. Their deadline is 10/15 but the cover letter says they'd appreciate getting the letter asap. Do I write something lukewarm? Do I write something very general??? Do I contact the person I'm supposed to be reviewing and ask her? Anyone been in this situation before?
post #313 of 409
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Anyone have experience with this?? I have done a couple of external reviews for people over the years and they haven't been too bad. However I agreed to do one for someone I don't know. The person does what I do at a similar institution. They sent me the file and I've been reviewing it. The person's record is IMHO pretty unimpressive. Compared to what's expected here what I see reflected is to my mind pretty thin. I also got no criteria or directions. So perhaps the person has done well by their standards, but I don't know. I did e-mail the Dean there and asked for some direction but I have gotten no response. Their deadline is 10/15 but the cover letter says they'd appreciate getting the letter asap. Do I write something lukewarm? Do I write something very general??? Do I contact the person I'm supposed to be reviewing and ask her? Anyone been in this situation before?
I haven't been in that position, but I think you need to call the chair and ask about the criteria.
post #314 of 409
Congrats CJ!!!! You are going to have to give me tips on how to get a grant. I'm just not good at it and it is causing me a lot of anxiety

Kalamazoo mom - I think you direction from the department chair also. Tenure is too important to the person whose package you are reviewing to just get a mediocre review when in fact this person may be meeting all the criteria. If you get no answer from the chair then try the dean or assistant dean again.
post #315 of 409
Now I have a question.

I'm up for tenure next October. But, if I take a semester off next spring after the birth of this new little one then it will be delayed another year. I kind of don't want it to be delayed just because I want to get it over with. But here is the catch, I don't have any research grants (a few small internal things and some software but no large ones). That is not a deal breaker at my university but it would look better if I had one. Believe me, it is not for lack of trying. So, I'm stuck. Do I not take time off, teach a really easy class, and go up for tenure next year. Or do I take time off, using that time with the little one but also to submit more grants (and papers) and delay tenure another year.

Uuugh, I hate these kind of decisions...
post #316 of 409
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Congrats CJ!!!! You are going to have to give me tips on how to get a grant. I'm just not good at it and it is causing me a lot of anxiety
Ask to see other proposals in your field that have been successful. I'm happy to send you mine.

I've learned a lot about reading other proposals. They can be presented in such different ways. Also, for NSF, I understand that you can ask to sit on a panel committee. You read 30+ proposals, and you go through them for 3 days with the committee and the program director. I know people who have done it, and they come back *a lot* more successful later. A new faculty person here just got back from a panel, and she said that she had a greater understanding and appreciation for the broader impacts portion of the proposal.
post #317 of 409
D - I'll send you my proposals too if you want. Like I said, most of them are 2nd or 3rd submissions, so I really think it is often just a matter of time and patience. I am happy to read yours too if you want another opinion. The main advice I always get from program directors is that they want to support 'hypothesis driven science.' You almost can’t emphasize that enough.

Do resubmit your PRF - compared to nsf they have much higher acceptance rates (although they've now moved to only supporting brand new 'upstart' research, I think). Speaking of which, does your university have internal seed grant funding? I found that they were easy to get, and made a huge difference towards advancing the research to the point that it would get bigger funding. If not, you can also consider talking to NSF about starter grants - I did this with one of my projects and it was pretty easy.

Review panels are AWESOME experience. A ton of work but so worth it. It's true, I came back from one last year thinking I could sit down and write an excellent proposal to that particular program if I wanted to. There is so much that you don't know about those funding decisions that sometimes has nothing to do with the proposal itself. Also, talking to program directors is really important. In person is better than by phone. They usually go to meetings (but they're pretty busy) so you could try to set up time then, or if not it's a great use of startup to get yourself to DC for one on one time. You probably know all this, I’m just thinking aloud.

as for tenure - is there a senior person in your dept who could give you some advice based on your specific dept? It's in their best interest NOT to have a negative tenure decision. My gut feeling is that delaying might be a good idea - 1 year is nothing in the bigger picture of a whole academic career. That said, I chose NOT to delay because the gap in my record - and there most likely will be one - is not going to show up until 2008 or 2009... my file will close in fall of '08, so the sooner the better.

sorry for the novel
post #318 of 409
Talking about NSF proposals ... I am not sure if I should even bother to write one this year. I applied twice and got mixed reviews, some say fund it, other say ... nope. One of the main reasons they did not get funded it was bc. I don't have many publictions. Things start to change as I expect to have two or three more papers coming out this academic year, so I wonder if it's not maybe worth it to just wait and go in more ``loaded". Then I think maybe this won't look good with my department to see that I have not even applied...

Geofizz, when you say you can sit on these NSF panels, you mean you have to travel, right? I can't imagine they would send you 30 proposals by e-mail ... Traveling is hard for me as I have two little ones at home (I am doing it, but I hate the idea of being away even more...)

Any thoughts about what I should do with this grant proposal? It takes so much time writing it!!!
post #319 of 409
namaste_mom -- I went to a grad student aimed workshop at AGU a few years ago. Workshop was an overstatement -- informal discussion perhaps a better way to say it. It was the program directors from various programs at NSF. They all suggested what had been suggested before:
1. read successful proposals -- they are public documents and some are available online (maybe more now)
2. ask to review proposals -- they are always looking for people to read stuff.
3. you can ask to sit on a review panel -- which is a lot of work (supposedl;y I've never done it) but you get to hear what other folks are saying about proposals.
and not yet mentioned:
4. if your proposal includes someone not yet funded by NSF say that. Also if your program directly links to underrepresented groups, say that as well. If you are a young researcher, say that too. Apparently when they divy up the money these things can all play a role. Again your mileage may vary and I have no experience in this matter.
post #320 of 409
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Geofizz, when you say you can sit on these NSF panels, you mean you have to travel, right? I can't imagine they would send you 30 proposals by e-mail ... Traveling is hard for me as I have two little ones at home (I am doing it, but I hate the idea of being away even more...)
They mail you the proposals. The panel review is 3 days in DC. You're right about travel for these things. My kids are 2 years older than yours, and it's just now getting to the point where I feel like I can go and do something like this. Up until this fall, I've been doing the bare minimum of travel. This year I'm adding in travel for talks, conferences, and data collection.

Off to the GeeWhiz lab next. It's in a week and a half, and I haven't even thought about my talk!
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