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post #141 of 1903
You roll your eyes when anyone has something besides sugar coated BS to say about a weird family none of us even know and you're calling me pessimistic?
post #142 of 1903
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I think it would be worthwhile for you to elaborate.
I worked for Mr. Gothard at the IBLP headquarters in Hinsdale, IL. I worked on the BASIC CARE bulletins, which contain "biblically based" medical advice written by none other than 16 year old kids (like myself at the time.) My personal experiences with Mr. Gothard (an apparantly innocuous old man, but in reality a tyrant), including his preoccupation with soft makeup, long gently curled hair, and the clothing choices of young women aside, the group is widely considered by apolgetics experts to be a "borderline cult." The personal will (including clothing choices, music, dating, associations, etc) is to be completely subjected to "the will of God" interpreted by Mr. Gothard. There are countless horror stories regarding the rights of women (women stripped of their responsibilites within the organization for divorcing pedophiles who molested their children.) I can hardly paint the whole picture of how women are treated and portrayed. There is a survivors group if anyone would like to read further.
post #143 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
Hey, you try growing up in a family like that, and you wouldn't be rollin' yer eyeballs at it.

post #144 of 1903
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Originally Posted by my~hearts~light
You roll your eyes when anyone has something besides sugar coated BS to say about a weird family none of us even know and you're calling me pessimistic?
And judgemental.

I roll my eyes at people who are opinionated to see past their own judgemental views.

None of you even know this family.

You base your entire point of view on an hour of highly editted TV show.

Why not email them or call them with questions instead of assuming.

I pray that you will be able to see both sides of the coin.
post #145 of 1903
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Originally Posted by eightyferrettoes
Hey, you try growing up in a family like that, and you wouldn't be rollin' yer eyeballs at it.

Did you?
post #146 of 1903
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Originally Posted by sophiesue2
I worked for Mr. Gothard at the IBLP headquarters in Hinsdale, IL. I worked on the BASIC CARE bulletins, which contain "biblically based" medical advice written by none other than 16 year old kids (like myself at the time.) My personal experiences with Mr. Gothard (an apparantly innocuous old man, but in reality a tyrant), including his preoccupation with soft makeup, long gently curled hair, and the clothing choices of young women aside, the group is widely considered by apolgetics experts to be a "borderline cult." The personal will (including clothing choices, music, dating, associations, etc) is to be completely subjected to "the will of God" interpreted by Mr. Gothard. There are countless horror stories regarding the rights of women (women stripped of their responsibilites within the organization for divorcing pedophiles who molested their children.) I can hardly paint the whole picture of how women are treated and portrayed. There is a survivors group if anyone would like to read further.
Very sad

This DOES NOT describe all quiverful or extremely conservative families.
post #147 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
Did you?
Haven't we had this discussion before? My family wasn't QF (though goddess knows we traveled in a lot of the same conservative circles as the local QF families-- back before QF was a fashionable thing in Protestant groups) but my parents DID practice a very hierarchical, patriarchal "Biblically based" version of marriage and family life.

Then he divorced her.... apparently he consulted God and the family's needs before he did that, too. Them's the breaks, I suppose. All I'm saying is that when Daddy's vote overrides everyone else's, it ain't pretty.
post #148 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
And judgemental.

I roll my eyes at people who are opinionated to see past their own judgemental views.

None of you even know this family.

You base your entire point of view on an hour of highly editted TV show.
AB, this is their 4th show, dear. Plus we've read their websites, seen interviews on Anderson Cooper, the View etc, and read multiple articles that came out when the last 2 shows were on TV, when ofJomBob Excuse me, gave birth to Johannah

post #149 of 1903
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Originally Posted by eightyferrettoes
Haven't we had this discussion before? My family wasn't QF (though goddess knows we traveled in a lot of the same conservative circles as the local QF families-- back before QF was a fashionable thing in Protestant groups) but my parents DID practice a very hierarchical, patriarchal "Biblically based" version of marriage and family life.

Then he divorced her.... apparently he consulted God and the family's needs before he did that, too. Them's the breaks, I suppose. All I'm saying is that when Daddy's vote overrides everyone else's, it ain't pretty.


That does not demonstrate how headship it to be. I am sorry that you father make wrong choices.
post #150 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
And judgemental.

I roll my eyes at people who are opinionated to see past their own judgemental views.

None of you even know this family.

You base your entire point of view on an hour of highly editted TV show.

Why not email them or call them with questions instead of assuming.

I pray that you will be able to see both sides of the coin.

And their own words on their own website.
post #151 of 1903
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Originally Posted by DaryLLL
AB, this is their 4th show, dear. Plus we've read their websites, seen interviews on Anderson Cooper, the View etc, and read multiple articles that came out when the last 2 shows were on TV, when ofJomBob Excuse me, gave birth to Johannah

Not entirely my point.

You still see a splash of this families life. That is it ......even with 4 shows, interviews, the View, etc. It is just a taste.

Not enough to presume knowing all that happens within there home.
post #152 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
None of you even know this family.

You base your entire point of view on an hour of highly editted TV show.

Why not email them or call them with questions instead of assuming.

I pray that you will be able to see both sides of the coin.
ITA .....I think we're all judging them for better or for worse without even knowing them. Yes, I know they have been on tv and in articles but so have the Osbournes and I doubt any of us really know them that well. There are parenting aspects that I disagree with but I wouldnt assume they are bad parents or selfish or have bizarre political motives. I dont know.....it just doesnt seem right to judge a family none of us really know....jmo
post #153 of 1903
And, to make myself utterly clear, it's not the QF mindset per se that I oppose. It's the patriarchal BS that tends to come with the package.

Like I said, people who have fifteen kids may strike me as peculiar or short on ideas for cheaper hobbies in life-- -- BUT I've never seen a QF family that didn't have a pretty twisted view of women into the bargain. And unluckily, they get to foist it onto a whoooole lot of kids with no other options.
post #154 of 1903
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Originally Posted by annettemarie
And their own words on their own website. Honestly, AngelBee, I don't see why you feel the need to defend them. They're smacking their kids around in Jesus' name. I would think that would be enough to discredit them right there.
I will through judgement at them when I am a perfect parent myself.

That will never happen.

We should reach out in love if we believe they are mislead, not attack them or slander them.

How does that contribute to a greater good?
post #155 of 1903
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Originally Posted by mykdsmomy
ITA .....I think we're all judging them for better or for worse without even knowing them. Yes, I know they have been on tv and in articles but so have the Osbournes and I doubt any of us really know them that well. There are parenting aspects that I disagree with but I wouldnt assume they are bad parents or selfish or have bizarre political motives. I dont know.....it just doesnt seem right to judge a family none of us really know....jmo
I totally agree.
post #156 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee


That does not demonstrate how headship it to be.
Nope, but it does demonstrate that it's no cure-all for what ails ya, either. The pretty pictures don't really match up with what happens when the rubber meets the road, so to speak.

Why is it so difficult for people to just admit this and fix it within the religious communities?
post #157 of 1903
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Originally Posted by eightyferrettoes
BUT I've never seen a QF family that didn't have a pretty twisted view of women into the bargain.
You should come to my house.

Dh treats me like a queen.

I also am a small business owner (a dance academy)

Many people misrepresent what headship in the household is. It can be a very beautiful thing.
post #158 of 1903
I understand this show has played down the unberreligiouness quite a bit as compared to the first couple shows. No more plaid jumpers???? Blouses and skirts are allowed now.
post #159 of 1903
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Originally Posted by Angelbee
I will through judgement at them when I am a perfect parent myself.

That will never happen.

We should reach out in love if we believe they are mislead, not attack them or slander them.

How does that contribute to a greater good?

So, you're ok with the Pearls too?
post #160 of 1903
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
Not enough to presume knowing all that happens within there home.

But if any of it, even a smidgen, involves smacking their children around, why on earth would you want to emulate them? There are plenty of godly women raising godly children who don't promote the Ezzo's and Gothard (our own DB for one!).
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