Mothering › Forums › Parenting › Parenting the Gifted Child › Addressing the Special Needs of Gifted Children, #8
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Addressing the Special Needs of Gifted Children, #8 - Page 2  

post #21 of 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by alegna
no kidding. Aren't we supposed to get to talk about things above their heads for a couple of years at least? At this rate within a year I won't be able to spell "secret" words without her knowing....
Probably not. Mine went from being able to figure out N-A-P at about 2.5 to F-A-T-I-G-U-E-D a little later and now understanding what I mean when I say, "She's ready to swim in the river Lethe."

Damn D'Aulaire's Greek Mythology.
post #22 of 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Baudelaire
Probably not. Mine went from being able to figure out N-A-P at about 2.5 to F-A-T-I-G-U-E-D a little later and now understanding what I mean when I say, "She's ready to swim in the river Lethe."

Damn D'Aulaire's Greek Mythology.
I did this when I was a kid and my mother thought that it was perfectly normal, so she'd forget to warn people about it. I still remember being at someone else's house when I was 5 years old; the other mom was having my mom over to watch her 7 year old daughter, and mom brought my brother and myself along (my sisters were at a birthday party, iirc). The other mom said, "Now, the kids are not allowed to have any C-O-O-K-I-E-S OR S-N-A-C-K-S before dinner." I frowned and said, in my lovely, piping voice, "Why can't I have a cookie? I want one!" She about fell over. "Um, your daughter can spell?" "Yeah, she can *read*, she's been doing it for nearly three years now..."

I got the cookie, too. It was the first time I thought there might be any use to spelling words out loud, which before had just seemed like a stupid thing that grownups did sometimes...

BooBah understands "N-A-P", as does BeanBean (for a loooong time), but Mike does not spell as quickly as I do and the ILs don't understand the concept at all. I still remember spelling something for them when BeanBean was little and when FIL finally figured it out, he blurted it out very loudly, like he was on a freaking game show. I said, "The whole point of spelling it was not to say that word!!! Anyway, I've long since given up on spelling to them. I still try it with Mike on occasion, but the kids get it if I don't go really, really quickly. My mom gets it, and we drop vowels/consonants all the time and spell very quickly over the kids' heads, and that still works on occasion. Even my sisters, we can start spelling a word and not have to finish it because we know what we're talking about, and that's helpful too when your kid memorizes the sound of the words before they can recognize all of their letters...

So I've been majorly slacking in the home education department lately, because life has been messy and irritating. This hasn't stopped the kids from learning new things, though it has slowed them both down a fair bit. BooBah walks around singing the alphabet to herself, and she still seems desperate to learn to read. BeanBean is making some progress on reading, but without me helping him much I think that BooBah would probably catch up to him by December. Not that it's a bad thing, but it might be a bit strange for him. We haven't done any math at all, but BeanBean has been obsessed with hexagons lately. He draws them and I'm pretty impressed that they actually have six discernable sides most of the time. They're not regular, but they're better than my hexagons were before I started organic chemistry and went home to practice drawing hexagons for my notes (I spent three hours on it, much more time than I needed to spend on equations or any actual freaking chemistry!). It's pretty cool. He absolutely loves his art class, and I think he'll be sad when we go to the last one.

BooBah's been working very hard on the alphabet and counting. I caught her taping her fingers against the wall and counting "One, two, three, four, five" over and over again last week; when she saw me, she insisted that I do the same thing. "Again! Again!" What a doll. I counted "Five, ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five" once and she just fell over laughing, she thought it was the silliest thing she'd ever heard.

My mother is very close to pulling my nieces out of school next year. ChibiChibi's depression is now becoming obvious even to her (and she's totally oblivious to such things) and a family friend who works in the school system has been pressuring her to take them the hell out of there; he says things just get so much worse as you deal with higher levels of the administration. She can see very clearly that BizzyBug has made almost no progress forward this year, and that ChibiChibi doesn't actually learn things in school but when she comes home she can learn the same things on her own quickly and easily. Mom says that she regularly goes to school, then spends an hour and a half in an after school tutoring program with only 5 or 6 other children, and comes home and still doesn't understand her classwork. My sisters both seem to think that this is a failing of Chibi's (they swear that she has ADD; she doesn't.) but it's fairly obvious to me that this is a failing of the teachers, particularly since Chibi is totally capable of learning the material when she's left alone with it for a little while, to say nothing of when she has help that's geared towards *her*. Mom's also ticked off that she doesn't understand how they're trying to teach math. That's a different story, though. She's like, "I know how you learned math, I know how I learned math," and I reminded her quite bluntly that I learned math *at home*, so I have no idea how math was taught in school until I got to calculus (which my mother couldn't teach me) and that was in college, where things are different (better). But yeah, Chibi is very close to being safe from school next year, thank God for small favors.

Now I just need to get my minivan back. Last night at the ILs, we watched some home movies and I could see my van in the background. My eyes started to well up and BeanBean and BooBah were so excited to see it!! I miss my minivan!
post #23 of 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by alegna
Aren't we supposed to get to talk about things above their heads for a couple of years at least? At this rate within a year I won't be able to spell "secret" words without her knowing....
I have to watch if the kiddos are looking at the screen while I am typing, too, b/c they can read it as fast as I can type it (at least my older has been able to for a few years) and I don't want them to know that I am "talking" about them!

A question -- most of you seem dramatically opposed to public school. While I do agree for the most part, I personally can't homeschool forever. We did for a while last year b/c my older daughter had an awful teacher who just did so much harm to my baby that I want to clobber her to this day. I have to admit that I have a hard time with the motivation of homeschooling and my dh is currently unemployed. I work about 8-10 hrs/week and we are both looking for jobs since we can't get along forever with what we have coming in right now.

In any case, we have just been blessed this year with the wonderful teacher that my older daughter has for second grade. Btwn what we have been doing at home and what she has gotten from this teacher, she has just become a different kid (back to who she was before). She's writing the most beautiful poetry and creative short stories and reading interesting books... We adopted a manatee for the class and the teacher changed the whole science curriculum at the beginning of the year to learning about sirenians of the world. My little one has been in pretty good shape with kindergarten although not as great as my older one. The teacher's aide in my little one's kg really likes dd which is really obvious and really nice. Given that dd is up to 16 months younger than a few of the kids in her class, she is being challenged enough at the moment just due to the developmental/age difference. She's in the top 1/4 of the class academically, but it isn't too easy yet.

I am wondering, since we plan to switch to an independently run charter (not affiliated with the local district) next year, whether any of you have any experiences or better opinions of alternative public schools? Like I said, we haven't been unhappy this year, but I am not confident that the local neighborhood school will be able to meet dds' needs long-term. Despite how much my older dd's teacher has done to accommodate her, the school itself just does not have the programming in place to meet her needs.

The charter will subject accelerate her to 5th grade next year for literacy (she'll be in 3rd) and has a very enriching art program (including musical instruments and dance) as well as Spanish instruction every day. Do you all think that it is basically impossible to have a gifted child's needs met in a public school unless it is a G/T school? I don't know if this charter will entirely do it, but it seems like it has a better chance of making it happen than does the neighborhood school. While I do agree that homeschooling is probably one of the best choices and in no way am negating anyone's opinion that this is the best approach, it just isn't going to happen for us as a permanent solution.
post #24 of 306
I taught in public schools (in a g/t program even) and that's what convinced me to homeschool. That said, g/t kids CAN thrive in a public school. They have a much better chance if they are in a g/t program (all day, not pull out) or an alternative school of some sort. A lot of it will depend on what programs are available near you and your child's personality. The g/t kids that as a rule DON'T do well are the ones who have no interest in "good grades" Then it becomes a "discipline problem" when they won't play along and do the busy work (every school has SOME, the key is finding one with as little as possible) It sounds like you have picked a program that could be a good match for your kids. Just be on the lookout for issues and take it one day at a time. The other HUGE problem with g/t kids in the system is when you have LD issues too. The way the system is set up it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get modifications for a g/t LD student.

-Angela
post #25 of 306
ChristaN, we plan on sending Froglet to public school unless we feel we have no alternative. I'm not ready to SAH another 16 years, and I don't believe I actually have it in me to homeschool this kid, unless I move to a magical commune/cohousing community where lots of other groovy, smart adults with the same values as me can help. We are going to be looking hard at all kinds of schools. I have my fingers crossed.

There are a lot of options available to us in our current town--magnet, charters, and a full-day GT program that goes 2nd-6th grade, I think.
post #26 of 306
I am dramatically opposed to public school, mostly because of my own experiences and because of what I see happening today with my nieces. I used to believe that it might be fine for kids who weren't as different as I was; that it was possible for a moderately/highly gifted child to thrive in public school even as it was impossible for a profoundly gifted one, but watching my nieces has changed my mind about that, too. I don't know what Chibi's IQ is, but I doubt that she falls into the profoundly gifted range and she's obviously having a hell of a time dealing with school and it's crap. I've got a baseline estimate on Bizzy's IQ because she was tested by Early Intervention as part of her kindergarten readiness stuff; she tested out around 125+ (125 at 4 years, 9 months; the test didn't technically have scoring younger than 5 years, 0 months). She's got Asperger's, and while her IQ may eventually prove to be higher than that, I still think it's unlikely that she'll test in the profoundly gifted range (I'm guessing she'll settle out somewhere around 140, and Chibi as well).

At any rate: I've heard that it's possible for a gifted child to do well in school. I've even seen it happen, when the parents are involved and the schools are amenable. In my family, there are other issues which come into play (i.e. racism, poverty) which affect not only the kind of services that the kids can/will recieve, but the attitudes of the teachers and the schools toward special accomodations. In other words, my nieces and my own children would very likely be screwed out of a decent education even if they weren't gifted; giftedness is just one more thing for the school district to fail to deal with appropriately. I can see how home education isn't a viable option for everyone, but in my situation it's really the only way to go, and would be regardless of my kids' IQs.

I have no personal experience with charter schools, but I have considered them. ChibiChibi, for example, would probably thrive in a school that was set up simply to have high expectations of children of color. That's all she needs by way of motivation-- someone to expect the best of her. As far as I know, there are no such schools where my mother lives. I know that there are alternative schools, but none of them seem appropriate for my kids or for my nieces. Maybe one of these days, I'll try to start a charter school... I dunno. For now, the easiest way to go is definately home education. I'm unwilling to trust anyone else with my kids' future.
post #27 of 306
I have lurked on this thread from time to time, but now I feel confused. I *think* my daughter is reading, really reading, sounding out the words. She is 30 months old, just turned two and a half. So that really doesn't seem possible. But my husband and my four year old dd think she is reading, too. In fact, my four year old is trying to withhold books from my two year old because she doesn't want her little sister to figure it out before she does.

Am I crazy? Am I delusional? She takes books and makes the sounds the letters make and says them aloud together until she figures out the word. Even books she has not seen before. If she were six, I would be sure she is reading. I'm not talking chapter books, I'm talking little picture books that have visual clues. Maybe she's just figuring out the words with the pictures? Is it possible she is just remembering things?

My husband said that since we are not teaching her, and she's picking it up on her own, we should just stay cool and not make her feel self conscious about it.
post #28 of 306
Quite possible. My dd is 19 months and while not sounding words out yet, can clearly recognize in the neighborhood of 15 words without any prompting.

-Angela
post #29 of 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by inezyv
I have lurked on this thread from time to time, but now I feel scared. I *think* my daughter is reading, really reading, sounding out the words. She is 30 months old, just turned two and a half. So that really doesn't seem possible. But my husband and my four year old dd think she is reading, too. In fact, my four year old is trying to withhold books from my two year old because she doesn't want her little sister to figure it out before she does.

Am I crazy? Am I delusional? She takes books and makes the sounds the letters make and says them aloud together until she figures out the word. Even books she has not seen before. If she were six, I would be sure she is reading. I'm not talking chapter books, I'm talking little picture books that have visual clues. Maybe she's just figuring out the words with the pictures?

My husband said that since we are not teaching her, and she's picking it up on her own, we should just stay cool and not make her feel self conscious about it.
No you're not crazy. That sort of thing happens, and there's nothing wrong with it. I read well and easily by that age, and while my kids didn't (thus far) there are other kids on this thread who have. My only word of advice is to help the 4-year-old with her feelings about the situation, because that could really screw things up for both of them. It's not fair to withhold books from the baby. It sounds like she needs some special mommy time, and something that's just for her to enjoy. Take the pressure off of both of them, you know?
post #30 of 306
I don't see why the baby couldn't be reading. I second the don't withhold books and give the 4 year old some extra attention and speaking to her about it. Mabye it will motivate her to want to learn to read more quickly. I know if my brother had been starting to decode words before me, I would have picked up a book and just started learnign as fast as I could. But I'm competitive like that.

mv
post #31 of 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by eilonwy
ChibiChibi, for example, would probably thrive in a school that was set up simply to have high expectations of children of color. That's all she needs by way of motivation-- someone to expect the best of her. As far as I know, there are no such schools where my mother lives.
I'm sorry. I can't say that I totally understand as I am white, but I feel for you and your kids. We were offered ESL services for dd#1 when we first signed her up (before she had actually started and they had time to see what she could do) b/c my dh is Italian and dds have very Italian sounding names along with dark brown hair, olive toned skin and brown eyes. Somehow that adds up to "hispanic" in the school's eyes as well as some idea that dd couldn't speak english : .

I'd expect that my girls are in the moderately to highly gifted range, too, like your nieces. Although dd#1 tested in the low 130s on the WISC, her processing speed dragged down her score so much that I would expect that she would come out significantly higher if she can bring up her speed w/ OT or VT or whatever! None the less, I don't expect that she is in the profoundly gifted range.

In regard to the little one reading, I, like the others, absolutely believe that she could be. My mother tells me that she bought a bunch of Disney books for my older brother (22 months older) before he started K so that they could read to him and help him get started on reading. He apparently wanted nothing to do with them and I absconded with them all and taught myself to read.
post #32 of 306
I'm on a posting spree -- sorry!

I was wondering if you (as in the plural "you") believe that is is possible and/or likely to have one gifted child and one average child? I know that I have read that giftedness is often a characteristic of a family not an individual and it is likely that, if one of the family member is gifted, others are as well.

The reason I ask is b/c I just have never been certain that my younger dd is gifted. While she developed almost on the exact same timeline as her older sister, she has always seems much more "normal" or like a regular child than has my older one. From the moment she popped out, dd#1 was very, very different from other babies.

With my younger one, she slept like a regular baby, is pretty easy going and content with life, and doesn't seem to have any amazing abilities. She did say her first two words at 5.5 months (mama and bath). When I'd turn on the water in the tub she'd get excited, point at the tub and say "a bat! a bat!" so it was clearly associated with the bath, not just babbling. She spoke in sentences on the early end (about 14-18 months), walked at an avg age (12.5 months), and started reading easy readers at about 4.5 yrs. She is currently 5 yrs. 5 months and is reading, like I said earlier, probably early first grade books. She is very good at math (can add and subtract numbers up to about 50 and multiply), but otherwise seems kind of "normal" to me.

I don't really care either way, but I don't want to put expectations on her by virtue of what her older sister can do. I also don't want to underestimate her and I realize that some of her development was unusually early.
post #33 of 306
Please somebody give me a hug. The Dragon is beyond trying my patience today. He spit in my face. I've yelled at him. I've sent him to his room. This is NOT a good day.

mv
post #34 of 306
MV, . We've all had those days.

Christa-- I'd keep in mind that giftedness in younger siblings typically presents in different ways than it does in older siblings. It's possible (so I'm told) for families to have children who are gifted and children who are not, but I've never really seen it. I'm told that it happens, particularly with profoundly gifted older children, that younger siblings will find other places to fill in the family rather than try to compete with the older sibling.

Hm. I'm not sure how that would play out, exactly... I think I read a book about it once, though... onder:
post #35 of 306
I think a charter school could work. And I think any variation on giftedness is possible. Each child is an individual. Thank Goodness. I don't think I could handle two of The Dragon.
post #36 of 306
I seriously want to collect data to graph. Data on *anything*, like, start a poll over in Toddlers: How old was your baby when they started to walk? and then break the data down month-by-month, 6-18 (which would cover most, I think)...

It's such a freaky compulsion, it feels almost unwholesome. I used to do this when I was a kid all the time, and I have to wonder if it's not a bit of an OCD flare-up.
post #37 of 306
mv That's one fiery dragon you have there. He's feeling wound up probably. Hopefully he settles down for the night.

-Angela
post #38 of 306
mv, how old is your dragon? My older one could probably fill that role of "dragon" at times, too. I so clearly remember when she was two and three her throwing these huge screaming fits for hours every day -- hitting the walls, trying to choke me, yelling "I'm going to pee on the floor!!!" and then doing it. My family insisted that maybe the peeing on the floor was just an accident . I somehow doubted that given that the kiddo was reliably potty trained at 18 months and screamed her intent to do it before commencing!

I do believe that I wanted to give her away sometimes. They do outgrow the totally obnoxious behavior and just stay high needs in other ways. Here's sending you a big hug and hoping that you can keep it together until he finds some less trying way to drive you up a wall!
post #39 of 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by eilonwy
I seriously want to collect data to graph. Data on *anything*, like, start a poll over in Toddlers: How old was your baby when they started to walk? and then break the data down month-by-month, 6-18 (which would cover most, I think)...
I used to color code my stuffed animals and line them up in rainbow order. You are not alone!

Other than offending people, the one problem that I see with such a poll is that people tend to misrecall things to the way they wish it was I have found. The mother of the child I mentioned at the end of the last thread insists that both of her kids were speaking in sentences at 18 months. We were literally around these kids 4-5 days/week (enough that one called me "udder mama") and I am certain that they weren't speaking in sentences until at least 2 1/2. I found the same thing when I attended playgroups with my older one. There was this intense competition going on in regard to whose baby/toddler did what first and moms tended to exaggerate their own children's development.
post #40 of 306
If you define what you mean by 'crawling', 'talking', 'walking' some people for example think a kid that takes a step is 'walking' me I think if you can get up, walk, stop, walk, then safely sit you are walking on your own.

LOL about the recolections I used to think my bestfriends mom smoked crack when she told me he was running in his 8th month, until my ds walked did the same thing.... I just don't tell people when he hit his milestones as they think I am one of those strange braggy moms.....

Quote:
I was wondering if you (as in the plural "you") believe that is is possible and/or likely to have one gifted child and one average child? I know that I have read that giftedness is often a characteristic of a family not an individual and it is likely that, if one of the family member is gifted, others are as well.
Very likely, but its about definitions I think. We all have our strengths don't discount a kid cause they are quiet, etc. There are many talents like artistic, or athletic that don't come out until a child is well over 12. Brains are all different, my ds1 is definetly gifted in every sense of the traditional def. He's outgoing, and shows you what he's up to. Ds2 is very laid back, but he has words at 15 months that show a very different understanding of people, ownership (lol being the 3rd child he had the words pees share down by 12 months) also if you are gifted, and you have a child who is gifted your 'average' child might be very bright compared to average. Its about perception as well.

All that being said, dh is gifted, so was....lol mommy brain so 'am i'...
but then there are things I don't have as I am dyslexic my spelling sux.... My father is extremely bright, with the same thirst for knowledge of anything I have. My mother finished her physics, pure mathematics degrees by the age of 19....My sister is bright but not gifted.

We also have many people in the family that skipped 2-3 grades. (more remarkable when you realise none of them spoke english going into school) That for me was more 'normal'. But I don't think its about family dynamics as I have seen families try to pull out gifted kids out of their brood... that are happy normal kids... people think gifted is 'better' when they haven't experienced it I think gifted is how your brain is wired, I couldn't be 'average' if I tried my brain needs food constantly. Just the way someone how is artistic might be thinking of ways to change their environment, to pretty up an object.

I've also read that gifted has more to do with mom than dad, not sure if it was the x chrom or the parenting... But we all know acomplished men who marry 'trophy wives' and their kids usually don't end up exceeding their dads...and on the other hand many women marry 'beneath' them ...and you don't see the same... their kids tend to do better in my experience
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Parenting the Gifted Child
This thread is locked  
Mothering › Forums › Parenting › Parenting the Gifted Child › Addressing the Special Needs of Gifted Children, #8