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post #21 of 104
my intact son had one freakish UTI at 19 days old. neither I nor the docs (including a pediatric urologist) thought it was related to his foreskin, and they never recommended circ'ing him. we don't do any special washing at all. He did show me just recently that he can retract it, though.

neither of my girls have had one either, nor have I. My younger sister, however, has them constantly.
post #22 of 104
My 4 1/2 yr. old son hasn't had one.
post #23 of 104
Neither my 8 year old or my 5 year old (both intact boys) have had one.

Lots of friends have commented that their little girls have had them, though.

Welcome Please stick around - there's lots to learn on this forum.
post #24 of 104
Thread Starter 
thanks for all the quick replies. that's pretty much what I thought. I have actually had a few UTI's and the first thing I thought when she said that was, "cranberry juice? antibiotics? anesthetic pills?" and I couldn't figure out how a foreskin had anything to do with a kidney infection unless maybe it (the bacteria) climbed up the urethra. It just sort of got my dander up because there has been all sorts of controversy with my inlaws re: DS 17 mo intact status. so anytime I hear anything about someone "having" to circumcise their son after choosing not to initially, I always have to check it out right away! Thanks again!
post #25 of 104
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Originally Posted by shalymar
I was just talking to a friend of mine who said that her friend had to have her 7 and 8 yo sons circ'd because they kept getting UTI's and kidney infections. Is this common? She said it because of poor hygiene. She also said her mom is a family practitioner, and that circumcision is a good idea in this country because so many parents practice such poor hygiene that she sees 2 and 3 yo boys with their foreskins swollen shut. Huh? I'd be especially interested to hear from mamas who might have some ideas about how this progresses through adolescence and adulthood.
UTIs are not common in males at all. The most likely thing that will cause UTIs and a foreskin swollen shut is to pull the foreskin back and scrub under it with soap. There is a commonly held belief in America that the penis is naturally dirty and it must be forcefully opened and scrubbed with soap to prevent infections. This is the wrong thing to do. The foreskin is adhered to the glans in childhood the same way kittens and puppies are born with their eyes sealed shut. They all will come loose and open up when they are ready. Forcing the foreskin to pull back before it's ready will cause skin damage and great pain. The damaged skin is susceptible to infection. Using soap changes the pH balance of the genital membranes, and will also contribute to infections. So if parents believe the hogwash about having to retract the foreskin and scrub everything with soap, and they follow those directions, it will certainly cause their child an infection. Then, instead of blaming the infection on the forced retraction and soap, they think it was because they didn't clean it often enough or thoroughly enough. So they treat the infection with antibiotics and retract and scrub the penis more frequently and thoroughly. Then their child keeps getting infections. And then what do they do? They say, "It is impossible to keep little Junior's penis clean with that darn foreskin. Let's just cut it off." So then Junior is circumcised, and the parents stop washing his penis with soap, and miraculously the 'circumcision' cured all of Junior's UTIs. So they tell everyone who will listen that all boys must be circumcised and it is just impossible to keep the intact penis clean.

Now the truth of the matter is that if you never, never, never, never, ever retract your child's foreskin or go anywhere near his diaper area with soap, the child's risk of UTI is practically nill. My intact son is almost 2 and has never had a UTI. This is how I bathe him: I put him in the tub, let him splash around for a while, wash his face and hair, let him splash, then take him out. That's it! It's so easy to keep him clean and healthy!
post #26 of 104
My 7 year old intact son has never had a UTI. And he is not yet retractable and no one has ever forced it.
post #27 of 104
Nope.. no problems or infections of any kind, ever. He'll be 4 in July, and takes a bath maybe once a week? once every 14 days? It's too dry around here to bathe every day, and they just don't get that dirty in the winter! We up that in the summer months based on where they've been and how much sunblock and/or bugspray they've been exposed to each day, but still no problems. He's not retractile yet. But he's pretty damn happy!


lizzie
post #28 of 104
My boys are almost 4 and almost 2, intact, no UTI's to date.

MY DD IS almost 6, has had 2 or 3 UTI's to date (all before potty training)and no one ever once suggested she be circumcised to prevent future UTI's. Strange, huh? (a bit of sarcasm, I hope came through)
post #29 of 104
38 y.o. intact dh has never had one, and neither has 15 mo old ds.
post #30 of 104
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Originally Posted by QueenOfThePride
UTIs are not common in males at all. The most likely thing that will cause UTIs and a foreskin swollen shut is to pull the foreskin back and scrub under it with soap. There is a commonly held belief in America that the penis is naturally dirty and it must be forcefully opened and scrubbed with soap to prevent infections. This is the wrong thing to do. The foreskin is adhered to the glans in childhood the same way kittens and puppies are born with their eyes sealed shut. They all will come loose and open up when they are ready. Forcing the foreskin to pull back before it's ready will cause skin damage and great pain. The damaged skin is susceptible to infection. Using soap changes the pH balance of the genital membranes, and will also contribute to infections. So if parents believe the hogwash about having to retract the foreskin and scrub everything with soap, and they follow those directions, it will certainly cause their child an infection. Then, instead of blaming the infection on the forced retraction and soap, they think it was because they didn't clean it often enough or thoroughly enough. So they treat the infection with antibiotics and retract and scrub the penis more frequently and thoroughly. Then their child keeps getting infections. And then what do they do? They say, "It is impossible to keep little Junior's penis clean with that darn foreskin. Let's just cut it off." So then Junior is circumcised, and the parents stop washing his penis with soap, and miraculously the 'circumcision' cured all of Junior's UTIs. So they tell everyone who will listen that all boys must be circumcised and it is just impossible to keep the intact penis clean.

Now the truth of the matter is that if you never, never, never, never, ever retract your child's foreskin or go anywhere near his diaper area with soap, the child's risk of UTI is practically nill. My intact son is almost 2 and has never had a UTI. This is how I bathe him: I put him in the tub, let him splash around for a while, wash his face and hair, let him splash, then take him out. That's it! It's so easy to keep him clean and healthy!

This makes perfect sense to me--as a mom of a girl, i've been told plenty of times not to scrub her (and my, for that matter) genitals with soap because it can contribute to yeast infections and UTI's. Makes perfect sense that intact boys would have the same needs.
post #31 of 104
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Originally Posted by USAmma
and his foreskin was a bit tight and he had to stretch it out to be more comfortable. He did that within a couple of weeks. I have heard that doctors often recommend circ for that condition but he was able to do it at home with some links provided by FranklySpeaking.
I remember when you wrote me and I was wondering how it turned out. I'm glad to hear it turned out just as I had expected!

Shalymar: The incidence of UTIs are less than 1% regardless of the circumcision status. If their is a difference, it's just a fraction of 1% or insignificant.

That woman FP is dangerously ignorant or just likes circumcised penises and wants every man to have one. We've had thousands of mothers of intact boys through here in the last few years. We've had a few infections, both bacterial and fungal that were quickly cleared up with a proper diagnosis and appropriate treatment but vast majority of the "infections" were not infections at all but simply the process of the foreskin separating from the glans normally. Just like teething can have symptoms, the separation of the foreskin can also have symptoms that clear up on their own with no medical intervention at all.

It is well established that the penis requires no exceptional care other than washing like any other body part. I can imagine that this woman is advising parents to retract and wash the preputial space and this can indeed cause infections. Just imagine if you washed a daughter's vagina out with soap and water several times a week. You could expect numerous and recurrent infections but even with that, would this doctor recommend that the girl's vagina be removed? Would she be lamenting the poor hygiene these parents are providing their daughter? Would she be recommending that girls have their sexual parts amputated? Someone needs to tell her that the infections boys get are the same ones that girls get and they respond equally to the same medications. Of course, I doubt she would listen. She doesn't listen to her medical associations, why would she listen to anyone else?

This woman is a clear and present danger to her patients, even the female ones! If she is this predujuiced and ignorant about this issue, she is bound to be ignorant and predujuiced about much of the medicine she practices.




Frank
post #32 of 104
my 14y/o has never had one
post #33 of 104
never, either one. i have, though. my dd, too. hmmn.
post #34 of 104
I do not have a son, but my 31 yr old foreskin attached Dh has never had an UTI in his life.:
post #35 of 104
My son is 19 mos none UTI's

My state involves cut happy misguided information even my family support network knows of boys that got circ for infections stating poor hygiene -proably due to phony phimosis .

here is the info from both clinic

Deaconess Billings Clinic

Occasionally, a health professional may recommend circumcision after the newborn stage, such as if a baby has frequent urinary tract infections during his first year. Circumcision may be recommended for older boys and men to help treat conditions that cause severe swelling or inflammation. The procedure also may be recommended as treatment for sexually active men who have recurrent sexually transmitted diseases. Circumcision in older boys and men is more likely to be considered if treatment hasn't helped to correct a severe health condition.

Phimosis is a tightening of the foreskin that normally folds over the penis. This tightening may squeeze the penis, which may swell until it cuts off blood flow, damaging the tissue.

Phimosis usually is caused by infection and scarring, but it may be present at birth (congenital). Once the foreskin tightens, returning it to its normal position over the head of the penis may become difficult or impossible.

Correcting phimosis often requires surgery to remove the foreskin (circumcision).

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Paraphimosis is a condition in which the skin that normally folds over the penis—the foreskin—tightens and retracts, and cannot return to its normal position over the head of the penis. If not corrected, the penis will swell, and the blood flow to the head of the penis may be cut off, damaging the tissue.

Paraphimosis is caused by inflammation or infection of the foreskin, and may be associated with poor personal hygiene. Paraphimosis can only occur in uncircumcised men. Treatment may include circumcision and antibiotics.
post #36 of 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by shalymar
I was just talking to a friend of mine who said that her friend had to have her 7 and 8 yo sons circ'd because they kept getting UTI's and kidney infections. Is this common? She said it because of poor hygiene. She also said her mom is a family practitioner, and that circumcision is a good idea in this country because so many parents practice such poor hygiene that she sees 2 and 3 yo boys with their foreskins swollen shut. Huh? I'd be especially interested to hear from mamas who might have some ideas about how this progresses through adolescence and adulthood.

Never once have we had that issue, nor do I even know of any of my friends that have had that issue and I know of atleast 5 parents who I have convinced in the past 15 years to leave their child intact.
post #37 of 104
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Originally Posted by shalymar
I was just talking to a friend of mine who said that her friend had to have her 7 and 8 yo sons circ'd because they kept getting UTI's and kidney infections.
When reading debate boards and posts from pro-circers, yes - foreskin causes everything possible from epilepsy to UTI on boys and it is just a small miracle if intact boy in USA survives to adulthood without A)getting circumcised B)getting all the sickneses of the world C) dieing from mysterious foreskin related infections.

I'm pissed and tired. 7 years I have been on circumcision debate and this bullsh*t just continues. This and that boy just had to be circumcised because of X reason. Can someone please tell me why oh why this only happens in USA? In country where there still are so very few intact men - why aren't men in intact countries rolling on the streets in agony?

If you went to a doctor here saying that I want to get my son circumcised because you are afraid of kidney infections doctor would laugh you out from the door. Does clitoris or female prepuce cause UTIs in girls? After all UTIs are mostly girls' problems.

Sorry I just had to vent. I do understand that I am looking this from totaly different POV since I am from intact culture - sometimes I just get so tired to all these ridiculous stories. And often I wonder what is the point of these message boards - no matter how many parents get educated - there is army of ignorant doctors out there.

And to OP question - no my son or any boys at his daycare have never had UTIs. UTIs are very rare in boys and easyly treated - kidney infections are unheard of.

Thank you for letting me vent.
post #38 of 104
In other words, in a twisted and weird way she's right--poor hygiene leads to problems in intact boys.

Except that "poor hygiene" in this (and most cases) means way, way, way too much hygiene. One PP commented that her family is "less hygenic" than most bc they onyl bathe twice a week.

That is, um, normal. Americans are freakish with their once or twice daily soap and water shower shampoo obsession.

I always knew this but the point really hit home one summer in Israel when I just could not stay healthy. Constantly sick, couldn't stay hydrated, felt run down. I figured it was the heat. Nope, it was the showering twice a day trying to get through the heat wave. Once I stopped using soap (and once a week used olive oil based soap) and cut it down to once every two or three days i felt a lot better.

Sorry to go off topic, but it really ticks me off when people insist that there's something wrong with not scrubbing at least once a day. Oh, and all those intact Europeans/Asians/Africans? Vast majority of them are not bathing daily--certainly not scrubbing down with soap. Absolutely not scrubbing down internal, protected genitalia with soap on a daily basis.
post #39 of 104
Mr. Man has never had a single UTI in his life. He's 4 1/2.

Miss A has had one or two.

Girls are actually more likely to get UTIs than intact boys are but we don't "alter" their parts to prevent them.
post #40 of 104
My intact sons are 20 years old, 19 years old, 15 years old and 4 years old - none of them have ever had a UTI. My three daughters have ALL had UTI's - one so severe that she had to have kidney ultrasounds when she was 3 years old. No one suggested circumcising her though.

I asked my brothers and my dad, they are 70, 47 and 41. None of them have ever had UTI's or any other kind of infection "down there" either. BTW, my dad was in the military, including service in Korea, and no one ever tried to get him to be circumcised.
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