|Originally posted by Frankly Speaking
I believe what is right is always reasonable and logical. Please give me one example of something that is right that is also unreasonable and illogical. I can't think of a single example.
Well, one example that springs to mind is the biblical story of Abraham. He and his family had lived in Ur for years, were happy, comfortable, and prosperous, when all of a sudden, God (a God Abram had never heard of before!) spoke to him, essentially telling him to pack up everything and leave. Didn't even give him a map....just said "start walking, I'll show you where to go."
There wasn't a lot of logic or reason in deciding to just pick up and leave what was a good life. Only faith.
Later on, Abraham is commanded to sacrifice his son--his only heir. And he went the distance....again, not logical or reasonable, but listening to God and obeying, even without full understanding? IMO, definitely the right
thing to do.
Even more remarkable was Issac....here he was, a strong, young man, in his early 20's, full of strength and with a bright future ahead of him...and here comes Dad with a knife! Now, obviously Issac could have physically overpowered the old man Abraham, and yet, he willingly submitted to his father. There was no logic or reason....only doing what was right, which was obeying his father and trusting in God.
A more modern example: I had a great job just out of college. I worked with abused children (birth to age 12) in a crisis shelter. The pay was adequate, the job was emotionally very fulfilling, the location was good, I liked my co-workers, and had a good chance for advancement. Most of all, it was a job that felt worthwhile, like I was making a difference in the greater scheme of things. However. The schedule interfered with my ability to go to church and worship regularly. I had to quit. Quitting a job I loved, that met my financial needs while also helping society...most would consider that an illlogical and unreasonable decision. But I had to do what was right, which meant honoring my commitment to my church.
Another (IMO obvious) example: Love. Love rarely follows any rules of logic or reason, and yet, choosing to love someone is nearly always right....I'd even go so far as to say that it is always
My point is that Logic and Reason are fine, but must always be tempered by our values and priorities. In this sense, there can be no such thing as truly imperial logic.
As for the rest of my post, I have to admit that I'm a bit confused. Having reread my posts and your replies, I still am unable to tell what I've said that you disagree with. I find myself agreeing with most of what you've written; I don't see how your thoughts have conflicted with mine.
Quite frankly, I think that you are arguing merely syntax. I think that we are saying the same things, but that you prefer your choice of words to mine. Fine; I can grant you that, as I have obviously been unable to adequately frame my thoughts in a way that you can understand.
To try to get this slightly back on topic, I will reiterate my original post. When I have been questioned about my decision to not circumcise my son(s), and the "locker-room" argument comes up, my response has been "If the shape of his penis is the only way my son is different from his peers, then I am probably doing something very wrong!"
(Actually, the only time I have used that was while talking to my SIL at a Christmas party where we were watching a half-dozen small children fight over who got the most toys.....it did make her think!