Originally Posted by mamaverdi
So those of you who will not take Jewish or Muslim clients then, you will also not take clients who do other things for religious reasons like refuse a blood transfusion or life-saving-necessary medications or Rhogam or vaccines or oxygen? You will inform them of the ridiculousness of their position? Provide them with videos and handouts about how medications and blood products can save lives and without them their lives or their child's life very well could be lost?
I can't understand why any midwife would think it was any of her business to convince or refuse someone for something they do for religious reasons unless she didn't feel she could actually handle a situation in which those things were necessary. Unless she thought it was somehow her decision instead of the mother-family's decision.
This is what I meant about the child's soul and the child's body are the responsibility of the parents, not the midwife. The mother's soul and body are the responsibility of the mother, not the midwife. The midwife is an assistant, an attendant, not a parent to the mother OR to the baby.
Christian women used to use Jewish midwives because in case of a situation where only the mother or the baby would be saved, Jewish midwives would save the mother. The Catholic church I believe directed Christian midwives to save the baby.
I'm shocked to hear that so many midwives or midwives to be still consider practicing basically the same way, as if the baby were more important than the mother.
I don't think it has anything to do with trying to mother the woman. If I do choose to have a policy that I won't take clients who plan to circ, I am not FORCING her to change her mind. I would never berate her, I would ask if she wanted information about circumcision (and if it is a religious reason, include anti-circ info for that religion) and if she says no, I will just tell her that we have a policy that we do not accept clients who plan to circ. It's not like I'd be holding the baby hostage until she changes her mind.
And FWIW, I'm not a midwife yet and am not totally sure if I'll be instituting that policy, but I definitely think it is about protecting my own right to choose clients I feel comfortable with, not about trying to control the woman. Until MGM is made illegal in this country, she'll be able to find someone to perform the circ if she wants, and she'll be able to find another care provider for her birth.
As far as the other medical issues, that's where circ is different. It is not medically indicated, it is an elective surgery -- even when it's done for a religious reason. If a patient was declining a life-saving medical procedure, yes, I would give them information about it, though I wouldn't call them "ridiculous." If they choose to decline the procedure, then that depends on the situation on how to proceed from there.