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post #21 of 86
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Originally Posted by Boobs
I stopped watching that show when she taught a mom her sleep solution. It was so upsetting to watch I had to turn it off. This baby was screaming and crying in his crib and the mom was supposed to sit in the floor and ignore him. It was heartwrenching.
oh isaw one like this.maybe even this one. it was so sad.
post #22 of 86
You know, I've watched them both, and while I totally hate Supernanny, I sometimes enjoy Nanny 911, depending on which nanny it is. They are admittedly totally into the punishment/reward thing, but what I do like is that on Nanny 911 they spend a lot of time talking about feelings and WHy the kids are acting out. The issues causing the problems are addressed. There is emphasis on relationships and reconnecting. I never see that on Supernanny, and I honestly don't think she's even that good with kids.
post #23 of 86
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Originally Posted by ETW
I am horrified that these children's personal issues and very raw emotions are being televised as entertainment. It is just such a violation of these kids. I understand that the parents consent, but I think it is horribly wrong of them to do so and, though I know my personal boycott won't change anything, I can not tacitly support it by watching the show.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
post #24 of 86
Somewhere around three thirty this morning when I was up with my (reflux) baby, I caught a few minutes of one of the Nanny shows. There was a "naughty" corner. While I'm not against having a little cool down - as in, "this situation is out of control, how about you and I both take a deep breath and then start over" it makes NO SENSE to me that she would advocate getting into a power struggle like this. Unless you are willing to physically hold a kid down, how exactly is this supposed to work? The kid in the show took all of about thirty seconds to figure out that calling it a "naughty corner" didn't mean it had some special powers to make her stay and THEN she started throwing everything she could grab. Using this particular technique seems to set up a power struggle.

I know sometimes you have to put your foot down about some things. Safety, for one. I get that. But (unless you sit on the kid and hold her down) you can't really MAKE a kid stay in a corner or say sorry and any kid knows it. It seems like it would just make an bad situation worse by adding in this whole battle of wills.
post #25 of 86
One thing (among many) that bugs me about this show is that people forget that it's entertainment. They don't realise that the miraculous change in behavior is primarily brought about by the magic of editing.
post #26 of 86
I was about to post a "The Nanny" thread and did a search first and decided to post here. I've watched her a few times. I've also heard Dr. Phil, make some negative comments about "those nanny shows" as he put it. He said something like "putting kids in corners is bad for their self-esteem". My little guy is just 16 months, so I'm bracing for the terrible two's. Actually, he's great right now so I'm hoping I wont' get a surprise! What is the GD way of dealing with kids acting out? I believe that 99.9% of the time, a child is either frustrated, hungry, tired or any given number of things to be acting out. I would much rather see the cause than the behaviour. However, I am still curious to know what ppl do.
post #27 of 86
I'll admit it...I somewhat enjoy Supernanny. I don't agree with all her theories, but she seems to emphasize getting down and playing with your kids, paying positive attention to them, and teaches the parents how to communicate respectfully and effectively without going off into screaming fits.

I don't like the idea of a 'naughty corner', but I modified it for my own uses

When situations are becoming overwhelming for DS 18 months, I say to him, "I think you need a cool down time" and we go to a less distracted area of the house where I hold him and soothe him, and gently remind him of the way he needs to act. I don't think that's a bad thing at all...
post #28 of 86
I don't know, I kind of like Supernanny. And I agree that the Naughty Corner is a different culture's interpretation of time out.

I think time out has its place. I wouldn't use it for my kid, but in some of those situations the kids are actually physically attacking the parents, biting, kicking, hitting, breaking glasses.

What would you do about that, other than something like a time out? Kids need to know they can't walk on their parents.
post #29 of 86
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Originally Posted by melissel
The NAUGHTY CORNER? The kids are totally acting out to get their parents' attention. The parents are supposed to put them in the "naughty corner" as a punishment.
I know someone who has Social Services (CPS) involved in their home. I'm the first to admit that she's not a great mom. She spends a lot of time either on the computer or talking on the phone and totally ignores her kids, then yells at them because they've trashed the house (big surprise) while being ignored. They get very little attention from their mom.

So...a "respite worker" comes into the house to help her schedule her day and find strategies to cope. And, the very first thing she comes up with is...the "naughty step". The 4-year-old (who used to be one of the easiest to discipline children I've EVER seen - all he wanted was to please) who is already feeling like he doesn't matter and his mom doesn't care gets banished to the "naughty step" when he misbehaves. Maybe, just maybe, actually interacting with the boy, and paying some attention to him would be more effective...and kinder???

Anyway...I don't really like time outs, either...but the "naughty" thing just makes me insane. We do cool down time with dd, but she gets to decide if she wants us there or not.
post #30 of 86
I'm always amazed at how horrible these kids can be. How in heavens name did they get that way?

You always see an improvement in the kids by the end of the show...but, it isn't the 'naughty corner" that does it. It's the Nanny, who fixed the stupid parents in the first place, and now the parents are actually paying attention to the kids!

The episode that bugged me most was the three year old who wouldn't eat what the family was eating. His diet was totally innapropriate. BUT, the nanny spent so much time trying to FORCE the child to eat the family's food, that even I wanted to gag. I say, slowly introduce the food, and let him eat when he is ready. At least the food they wanted him to try was reasonable....(vegies, hamburgers) but, they kept forcing him to eat.
post #31 of 86
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Originally Posted by ETW
while I am not a fan of her methods, that is not my primary objection to the show. I am horrified that these children's personal issues and very raw emotions are being televised as entertainment. It is just such a violation of these kids. I understand that the parents consent, but I think it is horribly wrong of them to do so and, though I know my personal boycott won't change anything, I can not tacitly support it by watching the show.
*applause*

exactly, thank you!
post #32 of 86
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I'm always amazed at how horrible these kids can be. How in heavens name did they get that way?
When you begin describing children as horrible, you automatically lose all hope of getting to the bottom of what needs aren't being met because you've set up an arbitrary situation by giving a very small child a very BIG label.

Supernanny doesn't *fix* anyone or anything. She systematically shames both the parents and the children for what she percieves to be *bad* behavior. She puts a definition to most of the behaviors that aren't accurate, age appropriate and that label both the parent and children as "broken." She then punishes them all into submission and the producers edit any possible moment of harmony which they save for the end to skew it as to make supernanny come out smelling like a rose.


I agree with the pp, sickest of all are people exploiting themselves and worse, their own children, without their consent, for entertainment value and a trip to disney world or whatever the supernanny *gifts* them with at the end.

Sick program.
post #33 of 86
I think I'm glad dh & I are almost completely tv-free at this point...
post #34 of 86
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Originally Posted by nextcommercial
I'm always amazed at how horrible these kids can be. How in heavens name did they get that way?
I'm not trying to pick on you, but that's an awful thing to say about a child - any child!
post #35 of 86
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Originally Posted by Plummeting
I'm not trying to pick on you, but that's an awful thing to say about a child - any child!
I think she was commenting on the childs behaviour and not the children themselves *there is a difference*
post #36 of 86
Jo Jo is an ex-marine is she not? That explains alot. She is quite militant at times. Most children that I have witnessed acting out are because their needs are not being met. If when I come home for work, and start supper right away or cleaning the house, DS will immediately go for something he knows he is not supposed to be doing...and it's because he knows he will get my attention. In which case I drop what I am doing and interact with him for awhile. I don't know what kind of mentality it is that drives ppl to want to put their lives on television for all too see, I've stopped watching Dr. Phil ages ago because he was starting to have a platform like that of Jerry Springer. Families bickering on stage! Well, that's another thread altogether!
post #37 of 86
I watched Supernanny once and it made me feel like the best parent in the world. I'm not even close to perfect, but damn those people made me look good!
post #38 of 86
I sometimes will watch Supernanny when flipping channels and I must say I cant stand that word Naughty!!!

I also agree with some of the other posters when they said, how violating these shows can be, supernanny, nanny 911, wife swap, etc. These children are being thrusted into this display for our entertainment against their will. I think that is horrible on so many levels.

Too add my SIL uses the "Naughty corner" and makes my 2 year old nephew put his nose in the corner and he is not allowed to look at them. poor little guy feels suchs shame I am sure. They have a second corner for spankings
post #39 of 86
It had bad bits but as far as I can see the naughty corner is far better than spanking or yelling. The mental shame is still there in all 3 but the physical pain is missing in the naughty corner and the fact that it is so much effort for the parent means that eventually maybe they will start picking their battles. That is if they don't revert to old ways instantly.

My problem with it is that she undermines the parent in front of the kid. How can children respect their parents if they know the parents can't cope?
post #40 of 86
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Originally Posted by ImoKit
It had bad bits but as far as I can see the naughty corner is far better than spanking or yelling. The mental shame is still there in all 3 but the physical pain is missing in the naughty corner and the fact that it is so much effort for the parent means that eventually maybe they will start picking their battles. That is if they don't revert to old ways instantly.
ITA

I'm honestly shocked at how negative everyone perceives this show. I always thought this was way better than the hitting and yelling that so many people have used before. I actually am happy to see someone saying that it's not ok to hit, yell, and fight with your kids. And, we all have to remember that most of these children came from a time of NO discipline. Sometimes to get something through to the children, you have to start out being a little harsher. I'm sure had they just pulled the kid aside and said "Your behavior is not ok," that kid would have hit, kicked, or spit in their face and walked away. Especially if you're starting this with a much older child.

Now, while I don't totally agree with everything she does, I think her solutions are much better than what the parents were doing ahead of time.
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