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post #21 of 70
Bethy, I wouldn't worry about your luteal phase. Looking at my charts again, I think that what actually happened is that I conceived in December, miscarried at 5.5 weeks early in January, had a 4 day luteal phase the next cycle and then conceived the cycle after: which obviously proves that I'm unfit to take charge of my contraceptive destiny as I was TTA in December, but still...the short luteal phases are another way of minimising chances of conception. I wasn't breastfeeding, btw, but anovulatory due to having mirena removed.
post #22 of 70
Thanks cking. I think when I was sick I was mouth breathing and that led to some wonky temps. AF arrived today (wee fun!)

The doering rule says you're safe the "earliest day of thermal shift minus 7 = last day of phase I if dry" You need at least 6 cycles, preferably 12

the 21 day rule can be used after 6 cycles, it says "shortest cycle minus 21 = last day of phase I, if dry"

the 20 day rule can be used after 12 cycles, it says " shortest cycle (of last 12-24 cycles) minus 20 = last day of phase I, if dry"
post #23 of 70

I'm Joining You Now!

Nearly 23 months PP, finally AF has come to visit! She arrived today. I guess she wanted to be here for Easter. Two weeks ago I noticed sticky CM followed by lots of EWCM, so I figured she was on her way.

We have never charted while TTA but we conceived on our first cycle trying, using FAM, and now are thinking about using charting to TTA - I know, not as easy!! I have a long and not-very-regular cycle so this should be interesting. I'm also curious to see how my PP flow is different from before.
post #24 of 70
texaspeach, thanks for the info on those rules. I have simply assuming I am safe as long as I am dry (no AM 'fun' during phase I). We have been pretty safe during that phase. But I guess I have fairly regular cycles - anywhere from 27-35 days, but usually 29-31.

rosie29, good work on getting pg on your first try! I am sure CTA is a little different after you have children, but I do know that it has worked really well for us!

Oh, and I asked my DH the other day what he thinks of our BC method, and he said "I love it"

Well, the full moon is approaching, and yet again, I am approaching O. I know I'm but I am totally enjoying this. I have been on schedule with it since last summer. Let's just hope I don't attack my DH this time. (there have been times -during fertile phase- when I woke up in the middle of the night and attacked him...he loved it.) Talk about user failure!
post #25 of 70
Hi All,
Are there any free websites that allow you to CTA? I know there's ovusoft, which you have to pay for, and fertility friend, for CTC'ing...any free CTA?
TIA.
post #26 of 70
Rosie, you can use Fertility Friend to CTA too.
post #27 of 70
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I use FF to CTA (shhh). I think the reason they tell you not to is to avoid liability should someone end up pg. Am I right?

BTW, everything's going well here CTA. I'm on my third cycle (a newbie). I have ultra-regular cycles and have always been fertility concious so in a way I feel like I already had a lot of knowledge about my body. Anyone ever seen a 17 day luteal phase? I have very regular 28 day cycles and according to my temp, CM and fertility friend I O'ed on cd 11. Guess that's why we don't trust the 'rhythm' method, eh? Prior to this I felt I usually O'ed right on cd 14.

Glad to see everyone is doing well...and NOT pg.
Alison-I have a co-worker who also is basing her TTC on what month baby would be born in. Even though she admits it doesn't really make a difference! Maybe it's our way of reasoning out why we're not ready...making it logical; when it's really just that we don't FEEL ready. Who knows!
post #28 of 70
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Originally Posted by jakesmama
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I use FF to CTA (shhh). I think the reason they tell you not to is to avoid liability should someone end up pg. Am I right?
Yeah, I think that's it... plus I think they want to keep the focus on ttc, which is fine by me.

A question: I have been having some crazy temps lately... I still haven't ovulated, went off Depo in September and have been charting for 2 very long cycles. Right now I'm on day 27, and I've been having temp rise and falls every few days. It will climb to 97.7, then fall to like 97.2, then climb back up. I have also been having watery cm for a while, but no EW. Any thoughts?

Thanks!!
post #29 of 70
P.S. I always thought when I ttc I'd like to think about when the baby would be born... you know, coinciding with the end of the school year (I'm a teacher) for a longer maternity leave, or not too close to Christmas... I think it's a way of trying to have some control, like jakesmama said, or a perfect world type thing. You certainly can't plan it, but you can pretend :LOL
post #30 of 70
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Originally Posted by devonc
A question: I have been having some crazy temps lately... I still haven't ovulated, went off Depo in September and have been charting for 2 very long cycles. Right now I'm on day 27, and I've been having temp rise and falls every few days. It will climb to 97.7, then fall to like 97.2, then climb back up. I have also been having watery cm for a while, but no EW. Any thoughts?

Thanks!!
Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is making sure your thermometer is working properly!

If your thermometer isnt' malfunctioning, then it sounds like your body is trying to figure itself out after the depo. I would assume that you haven't yet ovulated (and you might have some anovulatory cycles for a while) but don't take chances when you have the watery CM!! If it were me, I'd probably use condoms and/or a spermicide rather than completely abstain during the confusing time.
post #31 of 70
I guess I should introduce myself on this thread- I'm Ruth, I've TTA in the past but I've been celibate for over two years until this past Thursday night and now I'm terrified that I could be pg!
post #32 of 70
I've shortened my charting and now wish I had more info than I do. Does AF change when you have a big change in diet and exercise? Yesterday I started spotting (never do) and it was only day 22 which is early. Today I'm still only spotting so far but crampy. I am in the 3rd week (started during last AF) of a big change in diet and increased exercise. Could that be the culprit? I need to go back to temps and tried several months ago but just couldn't get into the swing. I chart the FM, PMS, and AF so that I have a general sense of things but my body is always doing something unpredictable like this so it's never enough info. Based on FM I usually O a few days after AF.
post #33 of 70
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Originally Posted by hu*singing*mom
Yesterday I started spotting (never do) and it was only day 22 which is early. Based on FM I usually O a few days after AF.
If you are O'ing that early in your cycle, then it is totally possible that you have a short cycle and AF is on its way. Maybe the change in diet & exercise is shortening your luteal phase (not sure if that's possible...?).

Ruthla, I hope things work out for you the way you want them to. :

Devon, I know everyone's temps are different, but for me a pre-O range like that is normal. I go anywhere from 97.0 to 97.8. It is usually pretty clear when I cross the cover line (usually about 98.0 for me). Sometimes that is only slight, like 98.0 or 98.1, after Oing.

Oh, and my 'silly' reasons for waiting until the fall to ttc are similar in nature. I realize they are silly, but I'll list them anyway.
  • I get incredibly dry, itchy skin in the winter. I know that it will be 100x worse when pregnant, so I am trying to avoid that. (at least for the first time).
  • I might be able to avoid having to get a maternity coat.
  • The school year. It bugs me that the cutoff is so early now, like Sept.
I am still keeping a 3-month window in mind, so I'm trying not to be too neurotic about it.
post #34 of 70
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Originally Posted by cking
[*]I might be able to avoid having to get a maternity coat.
Actually, I got more use out of my "maternity coat" after the birth, when I wore the baby in a sling under my coat. I either used a poncho, a coat a few sizes too big, a double-breasted coat with the buttons moved over, or a coat with a special panel to zip in to cover my belly/baby in sling. (remember I've been pg 3X so I've had a few maternity coats over the years.)
post #35 of 70
Ruthla, I hadn't thought of it that way . I am hoping to use slings a lot, so that is something to think about. And I don't realistically think I'll avoid be pregnant in winter altogether (I'd like to have a few children...) I think right now I am also waiting until I really feel ready (and that DH is ready) like a pp said. Making the move to have your first child can be a little frightening!
post #36 of 70
Oh and ITA about FF being concerned with liability in CTA. (especially since it's a free website). I haven't used it (just paper charts for me), but I basically see it as an electronic chart, so of course you could use it the same way you'd use paper.
post #37 of 70
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Originally Posted by cking
If you are O'ing that early in your cycle, then it is totally possible that you have a short cycle and AF is on its way. Maybe the change in diet & exercise is shortening your luteal phase (not sure if that's possible...?).
Yes, this was my thought too but just wondered. My cycle has been as short as 23 days many times but lately more like 26 days. Still spotting which I've never done.
post #38 of 70
Thanks Ruth! I actually think if anything is malfunctioning, it's me LOL... I am usually still mostly asleep when I temp.

Congrats on breaking your *dry spell* -- I hope he's someone special and treats you like a queen!!!

I am going on about 9 months, myself, so it doesn't really matter how my cm is... but it's always good to know
post #39 of 70
So how do I chart this spottiness? Like I said, it started last night, faint pink when I wiped. All day today just pink or reddish when I wipe, none on pad. Is it 1st day? Or do I wait until a regular flow and count that as day 1?
post #40 of 70
hu*singing*mom - Usually, the first day of the cycle is the first day of heavier flow (as well as the temp drop). I actually had two days of light spotting last month at the end of the cycle. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's common.
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