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post #221 of 522
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Well she said something about going through the range of symptoms while working out of a problem. Like dd has to go through everything that got her to where she was to get back out of it. Does that make any sense to anyone here?
Yes, I have heard that and had to go through that alittle bit with me. I had chronic bladder infections (as an adult) since meeting my husband and did homeopathy. After the chronic bladder infections were cleared I got a couple of ear infections (since I had ear infections as a child). When I was little we did NO ANTIBIOTICs for ear infections. Just baby aspirin and cotton in the ears and sent to bed. Next morning I was ALWAYS fine.

But, I think it also depends how long the disease is in the body. If its your child, it might be different since it hasn't been in the body for many, many years.
post #222 of 522
A couple of questions:

I'm tired of using Dannon as starter. What starter is best? Didn't Jane say something about Progurt not being a good choice anymore?

I still can't do raw *anything* and I'm a little bummed about it. Made chicken avocado salad again (YUM!) but had issues - - I'm thinking from the tomatoes. I even tried raw pears and nope, can't do those yet either.

I'm slowly reading NT as well and would love to start incorporating some of the NT ideas into this diet. I've done broths (I LOVE broths and have been making those for years.) I tried fermenting but I can't eat it yet. What can I do next?

Patty, I always think of you whenever I'm grumbling about this diet. (We started at the same time.)

Oh, had another question, but my 2-yr.old is extremely high needs today.
post #223 of 522
annikate--how long have you been on the diet? just curious

Am I really supposed to de-seed my zucchini? There's like nothing left when I'm done!

I think I have a yeast problem, too, so I was thinking about adding oil of oregano. Do I have to do that with Candidase or something like that, or can I start w/just the oil of oregano and Digest Gold w/meals? Actually I haven't even worked up to the enzymes again yet, but I think it's going to be a while before I get up to full strength on those, let alone add in another enyzme, and I'd like to get started on the yeast-killing. Is there anything I should know before I start?
post #224 of 522
Just jumping in from lurking for a quick question ... we are 99% sure we are starting the maker's diet again (did it last summer and then I got pregnant and wanted only cereal ), and I'm looking for menu ideas (mostly lunch and dinner, but breakfast too) that don't include any gluten (we are eliminating grains/cereals/flours/starches to the best of our ability). We are still eating dairy (raw or fermented). But I need more ideas than grilled chicken breast, hard-boiled eggs, etc. Is there a good website that has some good ideas? Thanks Mamas!

ETA: I read on one page about the MindLinx by Pharmax (can't remember who/where). Anyone actually use them or just thinking about getting them? If someone has them or has used them, how many servings are in a jar? The website says the jars are 60 grams, but I don't know how many 1/4 teaspoon servings that would equal. Thanks!
post #225 of 522
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can you all help me out?

not that you aren't already helping....

we are on day 10 and i'm so confused. all we've had are bananas and zucchini (with seeds--i missed the deseeded broadcast--today is the first zucchini day for the girls--we'll see). so i really want to add more foods. oh, i also made baked apples, but i was the only one who ate them.

jeez, when i get time to type, i forget all my questions. i guess i'd really like to hear how you were doing at about ten days. if you had a bf toddler, how were the poops? my guys still have undigested stuff in them, but since you know what we're eating, it's kinda hard to tell. so, should i add enzymes? i'm sure this has been covered, but can i just take the enzymes? i can't see getting enzymes and food into my 16 month olds. (but i also couldn't see surviving the first days of this diet.) so-- question #1: will enzymes work if just i take them?

question #2--what was going on with you at about day 10? one dd had one of the behaviors i was thinking was food-related--maybe it's not food-related and she's just fussy and unsatisfied and unhappy. gah! I DON'T KNOW!

question #3 (and i'm thinking you might know firefaery and patty too)--am i really getting enough nutrition to give these guys good milk? i know the benefit is that they will be able to absorb whatever i give them as opposed to not, so even if it's painful for a while, it's worth it. i just wish there were a deadline--like since they're just over a year, then by 1.5 months they should be pretty well healed.

i guess what i want to know is when i need to backtrack. is it whenever the poo isn't perfectly formed? sorry, my computer time is up and i feel i haven't asked my questions well, but input will of course be greatly appreciated.

hang in there mamas!
post #226 of 522
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Otriginally Posted by caedmyn
annikate--how long have you been on the diet? just curious

Am I really supposed to de-seed my zucchini? There's like nothing left when I'm done!
Hmmm....10 weeks. ONly one cheat (I ate a *tiny* peice of dd1's pizza) and dd2 paid the price dearly. This was before we knew about her gluten allergy. I'm not always good about remembering enzymes though. I could do better I guess and perhaps make more progress. I really think the tomatoes did it to me though. (?)

Zucchini is not that bad to de-seed. I usually peel, cut lengthwise, and run a spoon down the seed row(s). It doesn't get all of them but it gets most.
post #227 of 522
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Originally Posted by nicolena
question #3 (and i'm thinking you might know firefaery and patty too)--am i really getting enough nutrition to give these guys good milk? i know the benefit is that they will be able to absorb whatever i give them as opposed to not, so even if it's painful for a while, it's worth it. i just wish there were a deadline--like since they're just over a year, then by 1.5 months they should be pretty well healed.
Yes! Just think of what your milk would be like if you hadn't started on this path! Are you supplementing as well? ETA: I mean, are you taking supplements too?
post #228 of 522
Thread Starter 

revision....

we're on day ten. zucchini seems to be a failure--not diarrhea totally, but loose and wet (sorry). so i stop the zucchini, right? what do i add? (And i've been having zucchini no prob; can i continue?)

so, how long can i stay stalled out here essentially on the intro diet? this is where i worry nobody's getting enough nutrients and perhaps we're doing harm. not to mention the fact that i definitely lost my mama cool today because i was hungry....

and if i stay on the intro diet, will we get better? or is there possibly a dairy reaction? i can't tell, and it seems dangerous to take dairy out of so limited a diet. firefaery, did you have to do this?

(also, only i'm taking the yogurt right now. i figure that's fine since they get their probiotics from my milk. right? right?)

thanks for putting up with me!
post #229 of 522
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(also, only i'm taking the yogurt right now. i figure that's fine since they get their probiotics from my milk. right? right?)
Boy, I wish a had a definitive answer to that question! I've been over and over this in my mind about giving probiotics to dd. I would think *some* go through b'milk but ?

IMO, I would add CLO right away. That will help make your b'milk if you're worried. I'd add enzymes too.

I'm not advocating you do this, but I didn't really do the intro diet the way it should have been done. (I didn't have the book and was anxious to get going.) I did make sure everything I ate was peeled, de-seeded and cooked and went slowly. (Am still going slowly!) I'm also trusting my intuition a lot more each day in re: to the foods I choose.
post #230 of 522
2 more posts to 1,000 so I'll add:

The beginning of healing was emotional for me as well. I was a mess the first week. Almost like withdrawal. (Maybe that's what it is.) DH was starting to wonder if this was a good idea or not back then.

I promise, it'll get better.
post #231 of 522
Just knew my 1,000th would be here at this tribe.
post #232 of 522
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woohoo for 1000! thanks for the encouragement, annikate. i thought the worst of the emotional mess was behind me, but i just lost it today.

yep, i take lots of clo (and so does one dd; the other would in her banana yogurt smoothie, but is not right now). and i take a starch/sugar/yeast free multi (it's great: pure encapsulation nutrient 950). and calc mag zinc, dessicated liver (this is new), and b's. but i just worry all that's not getting absorbed--would rather get it thru food, of course.

i guess i need to de-seed that zucchini. how the heck did i miss that?

and i guess if deseeded zucchini doesn't work, i try cutting out the eggs and/or dairy? i know you all understand how much i don't want to do that. but am i being stupid? tell me if i need to try that based on semi-loose stools that have inproved as we've been on the diet.
post #233 of 522
nicolena, I would try the eggs first, but that's just cause my 16 mo dd was reacting to them (and me too). It made her poos loose and really undigested. Once I cut them out they are getting a little better. Formed, but still having carrots come out in them. I need to check the symptoms for die-off again. I am thinking that is what is affecting us. We have the black specs in ours which could mean the waste from bacteria and yeast is moving on out.

Will your dd's drink broth? I put her enzymes in there lately and then we drink our bowls of soup Works everytime if mom is doing it too.

We are around day 8 here. Tried zucchini in the chicken soup today so hopefully that works out. Also had bananas, lots and lots of cheese and liver pate, yogurt, kefir, and green beans. I am thinking that dd is getting the enzymes thru me because she isn't taking them that much and seems to be going thru die-off. I've been taking them like crazy.
post #234 of 522
Update on DS:

Ped/Homepath pulled his remedy for now. We are talking tomorrow.
Stool tests showed high proteus mirabilis and bacillus bacteria.
No yeast growth. No parasites or other weird cultures.

Lactobacillus was very good, bifidus was lower than it should be.

I believe proteus lives on proteins, need to confirm this. Wonder if his 2 oz juice (way to get him to take enzymes & minerals, diluted with water 50/50 of course) diluted his stomach acid during meals.

Also wonder if a complete diet change is warranted: low protein.

Maybe the take home is that SCD takes care of all organisms except those bacteria that live on proteins. (Clostridia is one too, his C. diff test was negative, but he didn't have the gold standard.) And I've posted previously about his psycho reactions to proteases... wonder if this is die off.

Natural killers according to Great Smokies are berberine best, then plant tannins, uva ursi, then oregano. I will also ask her about Biocidin which has been highly recommended in the ASD community for bacterial issues: http://www.biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.html
post #235 of 522
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Just knew my 1,000th would be here at this tribe.
Congratulations!
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post #236 of 522
Jane, that is good news. Did you expect those results from his stool test?

Btw, I just realized that it's probably not the tomatoes after all, I also switched enzymes. Ran out of the stuff my chiro gave me and started Houston's. I think it's die off again. Feels like it. I know the Houston's is stronger. PLUS, dd1 has been absolutely wild the last couple of days (I think this is related.)

Also Jane, aren't pecans high in tannins?
post #237 of 522

HELP! is this die off? healing? or what?

i've been doing probiotics, clo, and limited carbs trying to fix a possible leaky gut. 7mo ebf ds is allergic to milk and cheese but seemed to be tolerating yogurt and kefir fine -no rash, butt rash, or congestion for almost 3 weeks.

yesterday he threw up twice, took a nap, then threw up 6+ times in 2 hours -mostly small amounts <1/2 cup. after that he seemed fine, was able to keep milk down. at 3 am he woke up with really stinky explosive poo. 10am this morning he had some more.

he's not quite his usual super active self, but pretty close. no fever, good mood, wants to play. which nmakes me think heisn't sick, but maybe experiencing die off, clearing out his system -he has certainly pooped more in the last day or two then he usually does in a week.

or is this ahorrible but delayed allergic reaction to the kefir? do i stop taking kefir or continue?

today he had just two small normal baby spit ups (other than he's never been a spit upper) until just now. he woke up from his nap and spit up lots. what is the difference between vomit and spit up in a bf baby anyway?

i've having a sour stomach for the past few days too.

thx for your help.
R
post #238 of 522
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maybe it's "just" a rotavirus. what do you think? my girls had them pretty quickly like that. in less heathy kids it can last for weeks, i think.
post #239 of 522
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Originally Posted by Annikate
Jane, that is good news. Did you expect those results from his stool test?

Btw, I just realized that it's probably not the tomatoes after all, I also switched enzymes. Ran out of the stuff my chiro gave me and started Houston's. I think it's die off again. Feels like it. I know the Houston's is stronger. PLUS, dd1 has been absolutely wild the last couple of days (I think this is related.)

Also Jane, aren't pecans high in tannins?
Yes, I totally expected it... he had high bacteria and low yeast last year when ND did a stool test. He has a lot of the symptoms of bacteria. But he also has symptoms of yeast too so that is why I wanted to test before giving him herbs or other medication.

Amla (natural vitamin C) is high in tannins too. I need to research the heck out of this to be sure what exactly to give him. I don't like what I'm reading about uva ursi for example if I'm concerned about his liver function.

Yes changing to stronger digestive enzymes can certainly induce die off. I had healed pretty well before I introduced them, or at the very least was on SCD for several months with no symptoms, but I still saw die off.

And I reacted same way as my DS to Peptizyde at first: hyperactivity, buzzing anxiety, couldn't sleep. Surprisingly felt exactly like "overgrowth" to me too brainwise, but without the gi symptoms. Maybe the volatile fatty acids effecting neurotransmitters or toxin release or something like that. Need to read MT's stuff in her recent N/I 101 post re: the sleep issues and gut dysbiosis ... I need like 20 more hours in the day!!
post #240 of 522
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Originally Posted by nicolena
maybe it's "just" a rotavirus. what do you think? my girls had them pretty quickly like that. in less heathy kids it can last for weeks, i think.
Ditto my thoughts.
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