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post #421 of 522
Okay, this is a question on behalf of my sister in law. In January she had a hysterectomy and was put on broad spectrum antibiotics. She developed the worse case of diaper rash her ob has ever seen. She is having tons of seemingly unrelated health problems. In the past 8 weeks or so, she has taken 24 diflucan pills. (It's supposed to be a one pill cure.) It has done nothing for her fungal problem. The fungus is systemic and is not candida. She has also been taking lots of natural antifungals on the advice of a naturopath. Nothing she is taking has given her any dieoff symptoms. I have talked to her about changing her diet, but she won't. (In her defense, it would be practically impossible as she only has $200 a month to feed a family of five.) Do you think enzymes may help, and if so, which ones? I will gladly buy them for her if they might help.
thanks in advance.
post #422 of 522
Wow, it sounds like lots of us are struggling. I too am burnt out on the rashes
I am going to keep on and Trust The Process to you all and sorry that I don't have any answers for you new mama's. I am sure one of the sage mama's will have some soon!
post #423 of 522
Wow. Diflucan is not a one pill cure, but noone really knows or understands how to use it effectively. It should be prescribed with a loading dose, then a small maintenance dose after. Taking that many is ineffective unless you are attempting to shut down your liver. Hugs to your sister in law.
Enzymes may really help. At this point she needs some serious support (physically.)
Why are you so sure it's fungal? It's definitely possible-just wondering if any testing was done. My fungal overgrowth (which was awful) was not candida. Enzymes will still work. A diet change will really be necessary if she's that far gone though. Does she still have the topical rash?
post #424 of 522

Help me choose my next step?

I’m looking for where to go from here. I’m currently in my 4th week of a gluten and dairy-free diet, trying to determine if leaky gut is causing my severe acne. (Also supplementing with Glutamine, zinc, fish oil, evening primrose, probiotics, kombucha and aloe vera juice). I’m seeing absolutely no improvement, so I’m trying to decide how to proceed.
1)Stick with this current regime, give it a few more weeks before I decide if it’s working – I’m a little reluctant to do, since I’m really not seeing even the slightest improvement and would like to move forward
2)Eliminate all grains, in addition to dairy – this I’m very reluctant to do, as the frustration and depression regarding my diet limitations is starting to rival my frustration and depression regarding the acne. I can’t imagine going even more restrictive.
3)Slowly start adding in raw, probiotic dairy, and eliminate all grains. This is the option that, with the help of all of the info you ladies have provided, seems like the best next step. It seems as though the 4 weeks without dairy have really shown me that that isn’t the issue. If I’m going to go more restrictive on grains, I’d really like to have dairy back!

I guess my last question is, given that healing a leaky gut is about getting rid of the offending food while supplementing to heal, is it possible that in option #3 I could only eliminate grains that haven’t been properly-prepared (NT-style)? As much as I really like this option, it seems like I should first see if getting rid of them entirely helps, and then start adding back the properly-prepared ones.

Haven’t gone down the enzyme path yet…..That may be the next step after this one – I’m trying first to figure out what the offending food group is….
Thanks so much in advance - I'm still in such disbelief of how frustrating this is :
post #425 of 522
Shanna--I was eating NT style and still had problems with properly prepared grains, so I had to eliminate them altogether. IMO, it would be best to try the SCD for a couple of weeks w/o dairy (I'm doing it without dairy) and then try adding in the 24 hour yogurt, preferably goat if you can get it. That way you will hopefully have a baseline to compare to when you do add dairy. Or if you don't think you can do it without dairy, do it with the yogurt but just be prepared for the fact that you might have to eliminate it if you're not seeing results (but try it without dairy for a couple of days at least...you might find that the diet is do-able w/o it even if you thought it wasn't).

One thing that makes the SCD do-able for me is the nut butter...I don't think I could get enough calories if I didn't use it (I also eat lots of eggs and quite a bit of fat). I've been making some almond butter or pecan butter pancakes that are really good (and I don't like regular pancakes, but these are yummy), and also some nut butter banana muffins.

I would also recommend enzymes just because if it is leaky gut I think you will see more progress sooner than way...I feel like we would have made progress by now (after 2 1/2 weeks) if I'd been able to do enzymes in addition to the diet...I'm just starting on enzymes again after stopping them because they made DD really cranky and also I was hoping her bloody poop would go away, which it hasn't.
post #426 of 522
Caedmyn, thank you so much for the advice. I have one more question, and hope I'm not beating a dead horse:
If I've eliminated dairy for 4 weeks and have not seen any improvement, why would I not be able to eat it in the next phase of elimination? Am I compartmentalizing too much? I'm thinking of it more like an allergy, but maybe the thinking is that the dairy will act in concert with what may be the bigger problem?

And you think that SCD for 2 weeks is long enough to start to have an idea if there is improvement? I feel uncertain about how long the acne takes to "show itself" with each trigger. A month would seem better to me, but I'm worried that that is more than I can chew......I'm pretty discouraged at this point.

I can't thank you ladies enough. My heart really goes out to all of you, dealing with this with children. It's hard enough on a 28 year old
post #427 of 522
Shanna, It can take a good 6-8 weeks for something like dairy to get out of your system. Be patient! In the book BTVC, the author suggests trying SCD for a month and says if you don't see improvement by then, you probably don't need it. (I'm paraphrasing so somebody correct me if I"m wrong.)

I know it's so hard to be patient though but you won't really know until you give it time.
post #428 of 522
Thanks for the encouragement - I agree that a month would make me feel more confident about the "data". I do feel confused though, whenever I research the SCD diet, there's never any mention of it helping skin disorders like acne or eczema, etc. But I suppose we're assuming that our skin disorders are merely symptoms of the ailments she specifically says it can treat. ETA: Should I still keep all dairy out of my SCD diet? It's so tempting to allow the natural cheeses that are "legal" because it would feel like a better "trade", but I wonder if I should go without for the month just to rule out the dairy connection. I have a blood allergy test for dairy scheduled, but I'm skeptical.....

Okay, so I"m going to add a broad enzyme - Garden of Life seems to have a lot of fermented molasses in their supplements. Going to need to do some digging one what I can take - this is probably why all of you do mail-order supplements and try to merge orders, huh?

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post #429 of 522

yet another delurker with questions :shy

I have a lot of gas and bloating and am fuzzy headed most of the time, especially after sweet or grainy meals. I have a bm like once every 4 days and I am constantly getting cavities in my teeth. I just discovered a big one on a molar last night and reversing the cavity is a big priority for me.

My husband is intolerant of a growing list of food which currently includes dairy, fish, flax, corn and possibly soy. These cause him to start burping like crazy and make his stomach hurt, and diarrea.

I have an 11 month old and I am struggling to decide what to feed him. He is mostly breastfed, but I am just not sure what are the best foods to feed him. Most of the things he eats come out undigested, but I am probably not preparing them correctly. After last night I am thinking that maybe when he eats eggs he is restless and has trouble sleeping, but that could be the result of something else. Like a stressful day?

Dh and I were planning to do NT, but I am wondering if SCD would be a better place to start? I know people have had luck with butter oil and cod liver oil to repair teeth and I am going to try that. Would that work with SCD? How important are enzymes? We are short on money and I want to try the butter oil and clo for my teeth, I don't know if I could afford another supplement in addition to those.

Any advice?
post #430 of 522
shanna--the enzymes that are recommended are Houston's (only available online as far as I know), Enzymedica V-gest (gentler) or Digest Gold (online and at health food stores), and I think Garden of Life are good, too, although probably not considered SCD legal.

Someone convince me I don't need to order pizza...I just feel like this diet is not accomplishing anything, I'm hungry, and we're visiting my parents right now and there's this place that has super pizza that I can only get when we visit them, and I was really looking forward to being able to get some, AND I JUST WANT PIZZA!!!
post #431 of 522
caedmyn,
Both my dds are working on teeth (dd1 - 2 yr. molars) and dd2 (3 teeth at once.) My mom was here eating all kinds of crap in front of me and though it's nice for her to visit, it's still exhausting . . . PLUS I'm soooo sleep deprived and I'm having a real pi**y day today - can you tell? SO I WANT SOME PIZZA TOO!

But . . . I'm not gonna do it. Last week I *tried* some sweet potato sticks (organic - nothing else added) and I threw up all night and had d. all the next day. Does that convince you?

I really do feel like an addict though - like I need a fix of something today 'cause I'm feeling like such a martyr.
post #432 of 522
Clucky, have you seen this thread?
post #433 of 522
Annikate, thanks for the link. I have already seen the thread, that is why I plan to get the butter oil and clo. I want to start my ds on them too, I am just a bit worried about it since my dh is allergic to both fish and dairy.
post #434 of 522
bubbles, for enzyme info, one good place to start is http://www.enzymestuff.com As far as whether just enzymes and a healthy diet will be enough, it probably depends on how healthy you are and what issues you are dealing with. The healthier you are, the more likely enzymes will help. Also, if you have celiac disease, any gluten will prevent healing.

Angie, what Sammy's experiencing sounds like encoporesis (sp?), which is extreme constipation. I'm surprised the doctors haven't mentioned it. See the site I just mentioned above about enzymes for info about it. I think SCD can help -- I think she even mentions that it's helpful for people who have had part of their intestine removed. Can you switch him to fermented milk, like goat milk yogurt? It's runny enough to call a drink, and you could always make it into a milkshake like drink by adding some pureed extra ripe banana to it in a blender.

caemyn, (((hugs))) to you, I hope you figure out what's up. I think cramps can be from die-off, have you tried a few of the ideas for die off on pecanbread?
post #435 of 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by CluckyInAZ
I am just a bit worried about it since my dh is allergic to both fish and dairy.
With fish it is probably the proteins, not the fats. And ditto with dairy, casein dairy proteins are not in either ghee or the centrifuged butter oil. That being said, I cannot determine myself if my cow's milk protein sensitive DS can take it either!!

Any possibility of getting liver into him? Grass fed organ meats also have the X-factor. I wonder about liver extracts like: http://www.drrons.com/organic-organ-delight.htm
post #436 of 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by caedmyn
shanna--the enzymes that are recommended are Houston's (only available online as far as I know), Enzymedica V-gest (gentler) or Digest Gold (online and at health food stores), and I think Garden of Life are good, too, although probably not considered SCD legal.

Someone convince me I don't need to order pizza...I just feel like this diet is not accomplishing anything, I'm hungry, and we're visiting my parents right now and there's this place that has super pizza that I can only get when we visit them, and I was really looking forward to being able to get some, AND I JUST WANT PIZZA!!!
Pizza has been my weakness too But I've managed to not break the diet yet - I keep reminding myself that if I do, I will regret it, and I will have to start all over

Thanks for the info on the enzymes - I have already ordered the Garden of Life ones, knowing they weren't SCD legal. It was just so tempting to have a "whole food" source....I hope I don't end up regretting it. Nothing will be worse than to go through this for a month, not get results, and then start second-guessing as to mistakes I made :
post #437 of 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by CluckyInAZ
I have a lot of gas and bloating and am fuzzy headed most of the time, especially after sweet or grainy meals. I have a bm like once every 4 days and I am constantly getting cavities in my teeth. I just discovered a big one on a molar last night and reversing the cavity is a big priority for me.

My husband is intolerant of a growing list of food which currently includes dairy, fish, flax, corn and possibly soy. These cause him to start burping like crazy and make his stomach hurt, and diarrea.

I have an 11 month old and I am struggling to decide what to feed him. He is mostly breastfed, but I am just not sure what are the best foods to feed him. Most of the things he eats come out undigested, but I am probably not preparing them correctly. After last night I am thinking that maybe when he eats eggs he is restless and has trouble sleeping, but that could be the result of something else. Like a stressful day?

Dh and I were planning to do NT, but I am wondering if SCD would be a better place to start? I know people have had luck with butter oil and cod liver oil to repair teeth and I am going to try that. Would that work with SCD? How important are enzymes? We are short on money and I want to try the butter oil and clo for my teeth, I don't know if I could afford another supplement in addition to those.

Any advice?
Yikes mama, your house has it bad! I would really recommend trying the SCD for a month or two, just to know. If only to get some relief fast! There are many principles of NT that work with SCD, and yes CLO and butter oil is definately SCD compatible.

Also remember part of the protocol for cavity prevention and remineralization includes lots of minerals in your diet...bone broths for example.

I wonder in your DH's case if the issue with dairy is not the lactose (and since SCD is lactose free). Obviously he is not digesting his food well and neither are you.

Enzymes are fabulous helps but I didn't do them into well into SCD. I found the most changes with just food.
post #438 of 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanna4000
I have already ordered the Garden of Life ones, knowing they weren't SCD legal. It was just so tempting to have a "whole food" source....I hope I don't end up regretting it. Nothing will be worse than to go through this for a month, not get results, and then start second-guessing as to mistakes I made :
The enzymes are grown the same in their capsules as others.... fungal based. Except papain and bromelain which are from fruits (pineapple and papaya).

But I've been trying HSO's and are considering giving to DS b/c nothing else seems to be working (although his new bowel nosode and berberine protocol might be helping not sure yet). I know the allure of the GOL schtick too well!
post #439 of 522
I have heard this pizza recipe is very good but I haven't gotten around to making it yet since DS can't eat it and DH eats Domino's

KIRSI'S PAN PIZZA
http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes/r_035_00161.php
post #440 of 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by moss
I have a question for the SCD guru's onboard. If constipation is the issue and not diarrhea, is it necessary to do the intro diet? I dont know if ds will eat anything on the intro diet, to be honest.
Yes b/c the cause of C and D are the same: intestinal flora imbalance.
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