Healing the Gut Tribe.......April - Page 25

[chasmyn]

Hey, look what I found - a thread discussing chlorine in the bath!

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=425602

[Annikate]

I also wonder about how much chlorine we really have in our water at home. I guess it's worth testing.

ETA: I'm going to use our pool kit and test our water tomorrow.

DDs take swim lessons at the Y and I've been wondering if an epsom salt bath afterward would help with the chlorine exposure. ???? Only one more week of swim lessons anyway . . .

[chasmyn]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

JaneS (or whoever knows)...how can I treat eczema? One of the rashes on DD's butt has been tentatively diagnosed as eczema and I can't figure out how to treat it. We do CD and also EC--she is mostly dry and gets a fair amount of air time, besides.

I read on Curezone that using Burt's Bees Baby Bee products was very effective - especially the lotion, keeping the area moisturized. Also lansinoh for smaller areas or the weleda baby cream. TTO is a great antibacterial but I'd dilute it in another oil.

[~Shanna~]

Whoa......
So I had decided to do the SCD diet for 1 month (admittedly, I haven't read the book ). I had consulted their site for legal/illegal foods, understood the philosophy behind the restrictions, thought I was good to go, and am just now stumbling upon the intro diet. Ho.Lee.Cow.
They talk about doing the intro diet for 5 days and monitoring for symptoms - does anyone have any advice about using the intro diet for symptoms like severe acne that a)are not obviously GI and b) take longer to show themselves? Feeling a little surprised.......
On one hand, I've wondered if the intro diet is less appropriate for my situation because I don't have severe GI symptoms (cramping, diarrhea) per se, but on the other hand.....a need for healing is a need for healing.
Any advice? Feel like I just got clobbered over the head :

[Annikate]

caedmyn, I use acid mantle on all the things that nothing else seems to work for like yeast rashes, and excema. You have to get it from a pharmacist but don't need a prescription. My pharmacist had to order it for me and just fyi - - a little goes a long way so you don't need much. I've also read that some people use it for age spots and wrinkles.

[chasmyn]

Originally Posted by Shanna4000

Whoa......
So I had decided to do the SCD diet for 1 month (admittedly, I haven't read the book ). I had consulted their site for legal/illegal foods, understood the philosophy behind the restrictions, thought I was good to go, and am just now stumbling upon the intro diet. Ho.Lee.Cow.

Where'd you find the intro diet? I am awaiting my book, too.

[Annikate]

Shanna,
Same thing happened to me. I did not do the intro diet the way it was supposed to be done. I got the book late and well . . . by then it was too late.

I started by cooking, peeling and de-seeding everything and went very slowly. I saw results right away. I know others have posted about not doing the intro. according to the book too . . . I say try it and see. If you don't feel like you're making any progress you can always go back to the intro. diet.

[caedmyn]

shanna--you don't have to do the intro diet for 5 days, just do it for 2-3 days if you can, or only one if that's all you can take of it. I didn't have GI symptoms and I could only handle one day of the intro diet...and I did have die-off symptoms the next day so apparently it did something. You're supposed to start with nut butters (easiest to digest I guess) and actually are supposed to hold off on them for a little while, but I couldn't do it and started with them on day 2. People say you get better results if you do at least one day of the intro diet.

[Pattyla]

We just did one day on the intro diet and then added in one new food a day after that. I actually had constipation start up after we got started on scd. I have had that off and on my whole life but it was like every day for a week or more at the begining of scd. I drank a lot of prune juice. I think it is worth it because you know that the foods on the intro are very unlikely to cause reactions and you can then start from a clean slate looking for how well you tolerate foods. I used the list on Pecan bread to know what foods to do and how to get started. They have the intro diet there as well as the btvc web site has it.

I've been fogetting to do the gelatin. Just started pushing the broths and jello again. No stomach ache today at all. I'll probably start adding back suppliments tomorrow cause I have no energy. I think I'm missing my b-vitamins.

Just an update on dd. She had blueberries the other day (a favorite) and for the first time ever her poop didn't contain blueberry skins!!! Usually they come out looking a whole lot like when they went in. She is healing!!! Now if she would just get these last two molars in I think we might be getting a bit more sleep arround here...:

[~Shanna~]

Thanks so much for all of the encouragement and support. I'm going to have to think about this - it's a lot to have sprung last minute, especially when I'm feeling so discouraged with even the advanced diet.
Here's where I found the intro diet info:
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i...ntro_diet2.htm

I'm going to have to find that book somewhere tomorrow - feeling very unsure of myself now!

[Pattyla]

Shanna- You really do need the book. Both for the info and the recipes. I thought I could do it from the info on websites alone but there is no way.

[Panserbjorne]

ITA-to do the program the book is necessary. Mine is so friggin' dog eared at this point! IT's a great resource ( as is Enzymes for Autism...)

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Shanna4000

Whoa......
So I had decided to do the SCD diet for 1 month (admittedly, I haven't read the book ). I had consulted their site for legal/illegal foods, understood the philosophy behind the restrictions, thought I was good to go, and am just now stumbling upon the intro diet. Ho.Lee.Cow.
They talk about doing the intro diet for 5 days and monitoring for symptoms - does anyone have any advice about using the intro diet for symptoms like severe acne that a)are not obviously GI and b) take longer to show themselves? Feeling a little surprised.......
On one hand, I've wondered if the intro diet is less appropriate for my situation because I don't have severe GI symptoms (cramping, diarrhea) per se, but on the other hand.....a need for healing is a need for healing.
Any advice? Feel like I just got clobbered over the head :

No it's not less appropriate b/c die off is die off too. You want to "clear the decks" as Elaine once put it.

See the Food Preparation Section of www.pecanbread.com for Beyond the Intro Diet chart. It's geared to dairy free obviously but some of the other things might be helpful.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Annikate

This whole chlorine issue has me very interested. Dh and I talked about switching - we, of course, use all the typical pool chemicals in ours. YK, I suspected the that the chlorine was affecting dd but NEVER thought of it affecting her gut flora! Totally makes sense now.

I just ordered JR's Patient Heal Thyself to read more about it (and his take on all this). If anyone has any other info. or links I'd love to read them.

I gave dd some of my yogurt for the first time this morning and she liked it. She actually had 2 good poopies today AND an hour and a half nap. Is this coincidence? I don't think it is. I gave her some more at dinner time too. So far, no adverse affects.

I'm reading PHT now and I like it better than Maker's Diet. But it's not really teaching me anything. However, I guess I'm further along after reading WAPF, NT and SCD. It would probably be good for a newbie.

I don't necessarily agree with everything he says though and I think he takes a lot from others without really explaining scientifically the "new things" he adds to them... like all his Perfect Food, Greens, this product, that product, etc. He has always turned me off as a marketing hawker. I'm just left wanting more more more explanations from him than he gives.

on the yogurt! Don't go too fast even if it's looks good so far, okay?

[JaneS]

Thanks for the comments re: Intro diet everyone, I think I will edit the Cheat Sheet to make that more easily apparent.

[JaneS]

For eczema, supplement with cod liver oil for a while and if that isn't helping some kids need just evening primrose or a combination of the 2. More info in The Eczema Tribe thread.

Also my DS's digestion has a lot to do with it. If his poops go to mush, the tops of his feet, the last remaining "hot spots", flare up. I wonder if the bacterial toxins produce this reaction, I don't really know for sure. I have seen others describe this type of reaction for yeast issues too, hot spots flaring with diet.

[JaneS]

Can I also just say I'm thoroughly blow away by all the "gut related" posts for help there are in this forum and elsewhere!

It feels like my little finger in a dam sometimes.

And very very frustrating that this stuff is not well known.

[Pattyla]

I find myself constantly biting my toung when people mention issues that are gut healing issues but I know they will be unable to hear it. My nephew with terrible excema (I did talk to his mom but she thinks they can't afford it and his Dr said he will outgrow it.) My other nephew who isn't sleeping well, is anemic and has a reaction every time he takes iron. My brothers entire family who have serious anger/behavior issues and the youngest has a terrible immune system and gets everything under the sun and bad! (cp put him in the hospital at 4 years old). Not to mention the random strangers and others. I just wanna scream "what you are eating is killing you!"

We are having movement on the two remaining molars. The last few nights she has woken up crying in the middle of the night. I'm hopeful that this is a good sign. I'm so ready for these to be in and to be on a cleaner slate evaluating her health.

Gotta go.

[JaneS]

Abnormal Gut Fermentation: Laboratory Studies reveal Deficiency of B vitamins, Zinc, and Magnesium
Authors: Eaton, Keith1; McLaren Howard, John2; Hunnisett, Adrian2; Harris, Malcolm3

Source: Journal of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine, Volume 14, Number 2, June 2004, pp. 115-120(6)

Abstract:

Gut fermentation in the colon is a normal phenomenon whereby soluble non-starch polysaccharides are metabolized to short-chain fatty acids. Abnormal fermentation may be associated with clinical symptoms and is generally assumed to take place in the small bowel. It may be established by ethanol production after a sugar challenge in the fasting subject, which produces maximum production of ethanol 1 hour after sugar challenge. This timing is compatible with the dose acting in the small bowel, but not the large. It was noted that patients with abnormal gut fermentation established by gut fermentation ethanol production tests tended to have low levels of vitamins and minerals, and it was therefore decided to make a prospective study of patients with the condition to determine if this was so.

Patients were tested for ethanol production together with standard functional analysis techniques for vitamins B1, B2, and B6 and zinc and magnesium concentrations by sweat analysis using air/acetylene flame atomic absorption. Fifty normal subjects (group A) were analyzed against 30 positive patients by alcohol testing (group B). Statistical analysis, using the Wilcoxon Sum of Ranks test, revealed a remarkable and consistently high difference for vitamins and minerals between the two groups. In group B, 19 of 30 patients had four of five or five of five nutrients abnormal, and no subject with a positive alcohol test had less than two abnormal nutrients.

It is concluded that the syndrome that causes abnormal gut fermentation appears to have adverse effects on levels of B vitamins, zinc, and magnesium. As yet it is not clear whether this is a result of malabsorption, over-utilization, or excessive excretion. The level of ethanol production in this condition is low, but the presence of the nutritional deficits implies that the syndrome may cause quite significant adverse effects on health. More research in this area is required to replicate and extend these studies.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...dtt04.victoria

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Pattyla

I just wanna scream "what you are eating is killing you!"

EXACTLY!

Speaking of this:
There's a great new book that is getting a lot of mainstream press right now, The Omnivore's Dilemma about grain fed vs. grassfed meat, et al. DH just gave me a write up that's in Business Week of all places and he also heard it on NPR this week too.

http://www.michaelpollan.com/article.php?id=71

I just love when he finds things to prove I'm not crazy