Healing the Gut Tribe.......April - Page 5

[mom2zsel]

Subbing, still healing and will update later-kids are calling...

[caedmyn]

firefaery--DD is 3 months, so too young for supplements I think. Are the doses you recommended the right amount for me to take?

[Panserbjorne]

Well, too young for MSM, you may want to think about zinc. My practitioners had dd on it from about one month because she was deficient (not eating or interested in doing so, fissures etc) I just put it in water in a tincture bottle and gave her 5 mg. a day. MSM for you would be about a tsp a day.

[caedmyn]

I bet she does have a zinc deficiency--I ate tons of unsoaked, unsprouted whole grains during pregnancy. I think I will start out supplementing myself first though, as I don't feel entirely comfortable giving her a supplement.

Thanks for copying the list of foods--you don't need to do the other lists, though. That's the same list as in the copy of the Maker's Diet I've got. For some reason I was thinking he had specific recommendations for leaky gut in another book.

[Pattyla]

Caedmyn- I would start taking zink yourself. I think http://www.schwarzbeinprinciple.com/pgs/shop/supplmnts/store_supplmnts.html She has liquid zink here. It also comes with instructions on how to test yourself for being low in zink and how much to take if you are.

[Pattyla]

I have a sour stomach all the time. I have no idea what it causing it. Anyone have any ideas for me?

The only thing I am taking that I'm not sure about is false unicorn root tincture. I take that 3x a day with meals. I just started that a week ago I think my stomach issues started before that (or never went away).

[Panserbjorne]

Yes, you should definitely supplement! The test for deficiency is quite easy (it's a taste test...if you can taste it you are not deficient) and that would help. Let me know if you have questions about brands and things...

[caedmyn]

firefaery--this is what I got: Linquimins Ionic Zinc blend (has 50 mg zinc sulfate, 25 mg magnesium, 2 mg copper gluconate, 70 mg chloride, 95 mg sulfate, .15 mg lithium, and .1 mg boron)--it was the only liquid zinc I could find. I also got NOW 50 mg zinc picolinate capsules. There were so many different types of zinc and I have no idea what was best, so I just got a couple and I can take them back if they're not right. I couldn't find the brand you recommended. I also got NOW MSM powder, there's 3.6 g MSM in a teaspoon of it. It does have silica in it, also--I only found two powders and the other had a lot more ingredients. Do any of those sound okay?

I got some Garden of Life Primal Defense probiotics too--I definitely need a probiotic but I'm afraid to try any sort of dairy, so I figured I'd try these for a while and then try some goat yogurt.

[Panserbjorne]

FWIW I would not do the capsules. They are harder to break down and harder to absorb. You want about 40-50 mg of zinc a day to begin with. then I would be going down to about 25 mg. The two brands of zinc I recommend are Scientific Botanicals and BodyBio. They are both just zinc sulphate in an aqueous solution. You may have to order online. In the mean time, yours sounds decent.

i don't know if you were aware, but www.vitacost.com sells garden of life products at (almost) wholesale. They are all about 35% off. It's the cheapest for the general public. There are other dairy free brands as well, I think www.pecanbread.com lists them. Kirkman labs definitely carries them.

The MSM should be fine. Good luck, mama.

[Pookietooth]

Has anyone read Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride? I heard about it on an SCD list, and am intrigued. It supposedly outlines diet and supplements for leaky gut and candida, and I think it's SCD legal stuff. See http://www.behealthy.org.uk/

[JaneS]

Emma on the Pecanbread Yahoo list went to her last year... McBride's recs are detailed in her posts. Lots of animal fats. Different probiotics though, not SCD... that Emma's 2 kids did not tolerate well.

[caedmyn]

firefaery--how on earth did you get the zinc down? That stuff is nasty! I tried to put it in a smoothie but it just made the smoothie taste nasty.

I'm confused...a couple of people have mentioned something about there not being any point in eliminating symptom-causing foods when you have a leaky gut because your body just starts reacting to the foods you are eating. So if you (or DD in this case) are reacting to something you just keep eating it and eventually the symptoms will go away as your gut heals? This doesn't make sense so I must be missing something here.

JaneS--I posted a vitamin/mineral question thread in vaccinations for MT and she referred me back to you...here's the link http://www.mothering.com/discussions...te=1&p=4891665

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

JaneS--thanks for answering my questions. I have a couple more...

Is there anything else (supplements) I should be taking? I'm afraid to try cow yogurt now, so I think I am going to get the Garden of Life probiotics for now, and then try goat's milk yogurt if I can find any. I haven't found any at the two HFS's I've been to, and the only goat's milk they have is ultra-pasturized and I don't want to use it. I do have cod liver oil coming in the mail, too.

Is one capsule of DigestGold per meal/snack the right amount?

If DD has a yeast rash on her butt, would GSE or Candidase or something like that help her (or maybe just the probiotics)? It started as a weird reddish rash and then the yeast bumps popped up. Maybe it was yeast all along, I don't really know. Anyhow, the bumps are gone but the reddish rash, which was mostly gone, is back in full force. Sigh...who knew one little baby could be so complicated!

I would concentrate on you and your breastmilk, rather than giving yeast killers to such a young baby. GSE also kills good probiotics too.

I think coconut oil everyday, work up to it, would be a good choice since it will increase the lauric acid in your milk. I would just use coconut oil, cod liver, unheated olive oil, animal fats, avocados, nuts and nut oil for your fats. NO corn, canola, or soy oil or margarine.

Yes Digest Gold is strong, 1 is plenty. You might want to start with less than that.

Personally I didn't do well at all on the Garden of Life HSO's.

[Pookietooth]

caedmyn, I think that a lot of people have found that eliminating foods did just end up leading to more intolerances of the new foods, but in the case of celiac disease, you have to eliminate wheat/gluten and often dairy, because they do cause gut damage for celiacs. There may be other cases too, in which the gut wall is being damaged -- I would think anything that causes chronic diarrhea would cause gut damage, eg. if you get diarrhea when you eat almonds, you shouldn't eat them, etc.

[Pookietooth]

Thanks, Jane, for the info about the book, you always are in the know. I haven't been able to do the pecanbread yahoo group because it's so busy, I get bogged down with tons of emails, even with it set to digest.

[nicholas_mom]

What is MSM?

Ds uses a creme on his excema called PURE MSM (10%). Is that the same thing as the powder MSM you are describing?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

firefaery--how on earth did you get the zinc down? That stuff is nasty! I tried to put it in a smoothie but it just made the smoothie taste nasty.

I'm confused...a couple of people have mentioned something about there not being any point in eliminating symptom-causing foods when you have a leaky gut because your body just starts reacting to the foods you are eating. So if you (or DD in this case) are reacting to something you just keep eating it and eventually the symptoms will go away as your gut heals? This doesn't make sense so I must be missing something here.

JaneS--I posted a vitamin/mineral question thread in vaccinations for MT and she referred me back to you...here's the link http://www.mothering.com/discussions...te=1&p=4891665

Brainchild liquid zinc doesn't taste nasty to me so perhaps that means I'm deficient and you are not!

Yes, that is generally true about leaky gut if you are not in the process of healing. It greatly depends on the food and what it does to the body. For example, if I continued to eat rice, potatoes, corn, grains, sugar... my gut never would have healed b/c they were fermenting, causing gas, bloating and more damage, exactly as explained by SCD science. I've never had a dairy allergy for example though, been drinking/eating it everyday and I didn't develop one.

Everyone is different and if you feel you are reacting negatively and its impeding your healing, then I would eliminate the food or foods. But it has to be an educated guess ykwim? It is hard!

Originally Posted by caedmyn

MT you're the only expert I know, so I thought maybe I could ask you a few questions if you're not too busy, and I'm sure I'm not the only one confused by trying to pick out good supplements. I'm trying to heal a possible leaky gut (not sure if you're familiar with this or not) that is affecting my 3 month old DD in the form of apparent food allergies. I'd like to do some vitamin and mineral supplements, preferably natural source ones. These are the ones that seem to be most important as far as I can tell, and what seem to be the best sources:

Vitamin C--I did get some sodium ascorbate but now I'm thinking acerola powder is better...what are you thoughts on this? Is extra vitamin C good for healing in general, or just prevention?

B vitamins--nutritional yeast

Calcium--maybe coral calcium or bone powder (I don't think that's actually what it's called but I can't remember the right name)...I'd like to get all my calcium from food but I don't think I'll get enough that way

A&D--just started doing cod liver oil w/the natural vitamins in it

minerals--not really sure what a good source of minerals is. I was thinking of taking a good quality green food powder but I don't really know what they typically have as far as minerals.

I do eat lots of fresh fruits and veggies, I eat NT style if you're familiar with that (you seem to know everything so you probably are!).

Thank you thank you thank you (in advance)!

I never took a good source of calcium... the stuff I took while dairy free during bf'ing I wouldn't rec now. Now, I eat so much raw dairy I figure I don't need it and just supplement with magnesium. Firefaery's rec of Natural Calm mag is my current favorite, I can totally tell the difference in how well it absorbs.

This calcium suppl. looks interesting: http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pr.../ct/3/pid/1057

Bone broths are excellent for calcium. I haven't verified this, but the info floating around native nutrition lists is that calcium content one cup of properly prepared bone broth is equivalent to a quart of milk. The minerals are all in easily absorbed electrolyte form with gelatin, also excellent for soothing and healing the gut.

(that reminds me, I need to add this to Cheat Sheet: The Healing Power of Bone Broths
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...23#post3942223)

So to a sister NT'er, bone broths are essential! Some soups or casseroles or sauces made with bone broths or demi glace everyday is a great NT practice to get into.

Amanda (Gale Force) has posted before about her particular kind of supercharged calcium from hooves or something but I cannot remember the name of it.

I personally wouldn't do a greens powder but I think Firefaery has recommended some last month.

I agree with MT, I would not do nutritional yeast at all with gut problems. I know some Bs are in liver. Some are produced by probiotics. I don't know much about supplementing Bs and I probably should.

See that link in Cheat Sheet for the WAPF Primer on Digestion and Nutrients Needed for a good checklist.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

Thanks, Jane, for the info about the book, you always are in the know. I haven't been able to do the pecanbread yahoo group because it's so busy, I get bogged down with tons of emails, even with it set to digest.

No kidding!
I have about 800 digests in my email right now from them and the Enzymes and Autism list.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by zanelee

Ok, here's a question for you all. I'm not even sure exactly what to ask, I'm bumfuzzled...
DD has some serious absorption (or lack of) issues. We started her on some Houston's enzymes. They seemed to be working great. (Her face gets a bit flushed some, what was it someone said about that?) Well, we were at family's for dinner and forgot the enzymes. She was not going to let us not feed her, so she ate like she normally would. The next day her poops were fairly normal. (A few undigested stuff, but nowhere near like before) So, I've intentionally left off the enzymes a couple of times and the same thing. Pretty good looking poops. Is it possible to boost up like that? Or is it the probiotics I've been taking passing through to her?
I guess I shouldn't look the proverbial gift horse in the mouth, but COOL!

Yes this means she is on the way to healing! Karen DeFelice mentions this in her book the same way... she forgot and noticed no reactions.

Face flushing can be a yeast reaction or a phenol thing.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by zanelee

Ya'll take a look at this...
http://www.terressentials.com/truthaboutgse.html

So what else can I use to help get rid os yeast?
:

Yep! See Anti Fungals link in Cheat Sheet post #51 in this thread. I would start with enzymes: Candidase, Candex or No Fenol/Peptizyde combo given between meals as detailed on www.enzymestuff.com