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post #121 of 850
Don't do it Jennifer.

He doesn't know the facts that chelating WITH fillings in is very dangerous! It pulls more metals out of them, overwhelms your detox pathways, and more metals are dumped back into brain b/c the body cannot excrete such a large amount at a time. And a challenge test won't tell you what your body burden is. A Hair Elements test will give you this information safely.

Please get Andrew Cutler's book www.noamalgam.com and spend some time reading the files of the Yahoo group he posts in.
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Cutler does tell you how to do a Challenge test less dangerously... you space out the dosage splitting it into smaller doses taken every 3-4 hours (and I thought it was 250mg not 500mg in a standard Challenge and certainly not both, I'm confused). But says you should only do one if you absolutely need to for proving insurance or something b/c otherwise it's useless.
post #122 of 850
Moneca!
post #123 of 850
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Jane,
I just edited my last post to ask you about C with Lyme disease. Do you know if Levy covered that. I thought I saw it, but couldn't just find it in my book?
post #124 of 850
If it's not in my original list in this thread, it's not in that book: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=507310

but other infectious disease are and I don't think this one can be any different.

There's more here:

Lyme Disease -- Wiped Out By Vitamin C
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chri..._vitamin_c.htm
post #125 of 850
Very interesting thread :
post #126 of 850
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Nice - thanks Jane
post #127 of 850
Oh my!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH MONECA AND JANE S!!! I will be researching those sites. I am not pregnant/BF or anything (I hope to be healthy enough to TTC in 1 year). I decided before reading your posts to at least hold off on the "challenge" because I don't feel like I can handle it now. I can't wait to read all the info.Thank you so much for the Lyme disease information.

I want to cry because the MDC mamas are so good to me and so intelligent. I have been in a hard place with PPD, M/C, Lyme, ect and I find so much support and generosity of time here.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart Jennifer
post #128 of 850
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Hey mamas!
I just had 8 oz (yes, once again I didn't take it easy, but dove in) from my first batch of kombucha yesterday. I got it for DH and never thought I'd like it since I HATE tea. It was delish! I knew it was a detoxer, but never thought about it working on metals until this morning. I woke at 5:30 and could not go back to sleep. I've always been a sound sleeper and this only happens when my extracellular mercury are high. I've learned this throughout my chelation process and I had this for months before starting chelation. I haven't had this in over two months and am stable and not increasing my chelators anymore. I never had a headache which would suggest redistribution to the brain. The kombucha was the only new thing. Hmmm. Now, I don't know that kombucha would cross the bbb at all. I did a bit more research and found a pretty amazing testimony (at the very bottom of the page) to the mercury chelation ability of kombucha at the WAP site here :

www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

Just for thought. I'm not abandoning Cutler's protocol in any way.
post #129 of 850
Just wanted to report in...my time online has been limited lately due to end of summer harvesting and processing!

After my last couple rounds of ALA/DMSA 50/50 I have been feeling shockingly normal. Thank goodness. Better than I've felt in a long time! I'm back to my memory levels from before I took my amalgams out...possibly even better.

I finally took a good look at my bottle of ALA and guess what? It was 50 mg instead of the 25 mg that I had ordered. Someone processing my order must have screwed up. Anyway, I think this is the reason I was so nutty when I first started the ALA, since I was basing my dosages on an incorrect assumption.

I'm starting ALA/DMSA 100/100 today, so wish me luck.
post #130 of 850
Can someone tell me what ALA is?
Toraji-I am glad to hear you are doing well.


Thanks,
Jennifer
post #131 of 850
So, you may remember me expressing my fears regarding my amalgams a short while back...I'm still heavily nursing my 15 mo...I've got about 10 mercury fillings which are about 13 months old...I would like to breastfeed for years, if that's what the babe wants, and I would like to have additional healthy children...

Today I went to a new dentist who I found through the toxicteeth website. Follows all of the protocols for removal and such, has a nice office, etc. I decided to see him for my cleaning so that I could meet him and at least talk about what I'd be facing. Well, they found decay on one of the amalgamed teeth and I've got an appointment for a crown. They've suggested that I can *simply* pump up a supply of milk and get the work done even though I'm nursing. They referred me to a naturopath for details.

So, now I'm thinking "what if?" and am considering having the rest of the amalgams removed over the next year. I plan to talk to the naturopath as soon as she calls me back, but at one point Moneca invited me to seek support in this thread (and I know how knowlegable everyone here is,) so I thought I'd run it by everyone.

Has anyone tried feeding their boob-loving babe from a bottle for days on end? Do you think this will be adequate as far as protection from toxins?

I know that I shouldn't chelate at all while I have mercury fillings, so if the naturopath suggests any such thing I'll hang up on her. Are there any other key bits of information that I should/should not hear from her that might clue me in on her desire to protect me and babe? The dentist kept talking about how I should start some sort of pre-removal treatment/regime before any work was even done (hinting at chelation!?!!, maybe just supplements?), but they didn't get into details and are not able to give medical advice...

I very much appreciate any opinions or feedback on any of this. I've come to value this thread and dental forum immensely over the last couple of months, on a million different levels.
post #132 of 850
Is it safe to chelate while you still have amalgram fillings in your mouth?

How do you figure out if mercury poisoning is causing your health problems?
post #133 of 850
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Originally Posted by maybeknott View Post
So, you may remember me expressing my fears regarding my amalgams a short while back...I'm still heavily nursing my 15 mo...I've got about 10 mercury fillings which are about 13 months old...I would like to breastfeed for years, if that's what the babe wants, and I would like to have additional healthy children...

Today I went to a new dentist who I found through the toxicteeth website. Follows all of the protocols for removal and such, has a nice office, etc. I decided to see him for my cleaning so that I could meet him and at least talk about what I'd be facing. Well, they found decay on one of the amalgamed teeth and I've got an appointment for a crown. They've suggested that I can *simply* pump up a supply of milk and get the work done even though I'm nursing. They referred me to a naturopath for details.

So, now I'm thinking "what if?" and am considering having the rest of the amalgams removed over the next year. I plan to talk to the naturopath as soon as she calls me back, but at one point Moneca invited me to seek support in this thread (and I know how knowlegable everyone here is,) so I thought I'd run it by everyone.

Has anyone tried feeding their boob-loving babe from a bottle for days on end? Do you think this will be adequate as far as protection from toxins?

I know that I shouldn't chelate at all while I have mercury fillings, so if the naturopath suggests any such thing I'll hang up on her. Are there any other key bits of information that I should/should not hear from her that might clue me in on her desire to protect me and babe? The dentist kept talking about how I should start some sort of pre-removal treatment/regime before any work was even done (hinting at chelation!?!!, maybe just supplements?), but they didn't get into details and are not able to give medical advice...

I very much appreciate any opinions or feedback on any of this. I've come to value this thread and dental forum immensely over the last couple of months, on a million different levels.
I'm sorry that you didn't get any other advice. I've seen how dangerous mercury has been for me and how well chelation mobilizes it. I would not chelate if ttc, prego, or bf if it were me.
post #134 of 850
Curious about your thoughts on this productas a chelating agent.

My homeopath recommended it to me today. She wants me to take it and then let it pass through my b'milk to dd.

It supposedly is safe to use w/amalgams. (I still have 4 left.)

Have more reading to do on it . . .
post #135 of 850
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Is it safe to chelate while you still have amalgram fillings in your mouth?

How do you figure out if mercury poisoning is causing your health problems?
Everything I've read indicates that you should not chelate mercury until the amalgams have been removed.
The most reliable test is a hair analysis, but you can't take this at face value. You could be very mercury toxic, but be storing all your mercury in your organs and have no apparent signs of toxicity on a hair, urine, or stool test. Mercury toxicity causes mineral derangement and there are counting rules discussed at @ www.noamalgam.com to determine toxicity from this. You can have a DDI hair analysis through www.directlabs.com without a doctors order for under $100.00. You can come back here and we can help you with counting rules.
post #136 of 850
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Originally Posted by Annikate View Post
Curious about your thoughts on this productas a chelating agent.

My homeopath recommended it to me today. She wants me to take it and then let it pass through my b'milk to dd.

It supposedly is safe to use w/amalgams. (I still have 4 left.)

Have more reading to do on it . . .
Well, right off the bat two ingredients stood out. Chlorella is the only known substance other than alpha lipoic acid (also an ingredient in this product) that crosses the bbb to remove mercury from the brain. The problem with this product is that is can release the mercury before it is excreted from your body. Alapha lipoic acid is a chelator that removes mercury from the brain and organs. To be used safely ALA should be taken "low and slow" and on the Cutler protocol is given every three hours to assure that blood levels remain stable and mercury is removed as safely as possible. DMSA is also used with ALA to lessen the subjective feelings of sickness associated with reintroducing mercury into the system during chelation. The dosing for this product is twice per day which to me is not a safe schedule with the ALA. ALA actually is a two way street as far as the bbb. If there is higher plasma mercury than mercury in the brain it will allow it to go INTO the brain instead of out. For this reason Cutler protocol uses DMSA for several months to lessen plasma mercury levels before ALA is used. See www.noamalgam.com for more details. I also couldn't determine a dose on the ALA from the ingredient list and I would never start with more than 25 mg.
Personally, I would never go back to any practicioner that told me to chelate mercury with amalgams or while bf (esp. if they tried to tell me that the chelator would pass to dd and chelate her also). She sounds very dangerous and to me.
As I said in a previous post, I would NEVER chelate mercury with ANY product while ttc, pregnant, or bf. There is a VERY real danger that more of your mercury will be passed to the child as it is mobilized. Mercury toxicity in babes ususally isn't detectable in infants until they are a bit further in their developmental stages so you don't know the damage that could be taking place.
post #137 of 850
moneca,
yep, kinda my thinking on it too. I'm a little : because I tried to explain this to her and she brushed it off. I know that she knows literally nothing about breastfeeding and certainly not much about chelating (except for chelating herself.)

I also told her that this went against the advice my dentist (an awesome homeopathic dentist who discussed w/me at length dd's issues.)

I knew of dd's mercury toxicity before I even had her first hair test done. I can see the mercury rear its ugly head too and it's not pretty. Diet has helped her tremendously as have certain supplements and craniosacral therapy but now I'm at the point where I'm ready to do something *serious* to chelate her. It's so scary to me because she's so young. (I know, there are benefits to this too.)

Guess I'll wait and see what the DAN docs advice is. I'm not ready to go it alone. If it were myself that'd be a whole different story yk?
post #138 of 850
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Originally Posted by Annikate View Post
moneca,
yep, kinda my thinking on it too. I'm a little : because I tried to explain this to her and she brushed it off. I know that she knows literally nothing about breastfeeding and certainly not much about chelating (except for chelating herself.)

I also told her that this went against the advice my dentist (an awesome homeopathic dentist who discussed w/me at length dd's issues.)

I knew of dd's mercury toxicity before I even had her first hair test done. I can see the mercury rear its ugly head too and it's not pretty. Diet has helped her tremendously as have certain supplements and craniosacral therapy but now I'm at the point where I'm ready to do something *serious* to chelate her. It's so scary to me because she's so young. (I know, there are benefits to this too.)

Guess I'll wait and see what the DAN docs advice is. I'm not ready to go it alone. If it were myself that'd be a whole different story yk?
I would never try to chelate my child on my own. The younger the child the less they could communicate to you about what is going on in their body. I know from my own experience that chelation can hurt you neurologically if advanced to quickly. Too quickly for one person may be fine for another. I'd find a DAN chelation practicioner who was willing to consult with Cutler and then I'd be sure to request kidney and liver function tests before we did anything. I'd want regular testing for blood chemistry as well as organ function. Chelation can be dangerous even when you try and do everything "low and slow". There isn't anything pleasant about pulling toxins back out through your body, but the benefits for me have been worth the tough spots.
post #139 of 850
I mentioned on the curing cavities on nutrition thread that the ND recommended this chelation protocol which supposedly takes two years and can be done while BF. I put in a call to her today to clarify what I'm taking that actually does any chelating-as what she has me taking seems kind of benign. It is Seacure-a hydrolyzed whitefish protein
http://www.propernutrition.com/products.html
and three Unda homeopathic remedies for digestion.
post #140 of 850
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Originally Posted by sarahariz View Post
I mentioned on the curing cavities on nutrition thread that the ND recommended this chelation protocol which supposedly takes two years and can be done while BF. I put in a call to her today to clarify what I'm taking that actually does any chelating-as what she has me taking seems kind of benign. It is Seacure-a hydrolyzed whitefish protein
http://www.propernutrition.com/products.html
and three Unda homeopathic remedies for digestion.
Oh Sarah, I hope that the Seacure is better for you than it was for us. Our ND (Dr. Schmid with the Weston Price Foundation) placed Sierra on this saying that it would help her stomach motility. It made no sense to me how it could do this, but as he was our 14th practicioner I was desperate to help dd. I always take everything she takes even though my stomach works just to get an idea of what she is tasting and how she is affected. She couldn't take the capsules and that was the nastiest tasting stuff I have ever taken. Worse than that it gave us both shooting liquid diarrhea starting the day after we first took the Seacure for a week while taking it. Dr. Schmid refused to believe it was the fault of his product, but the diarrhea stopped for both of us the day after it was discontinued. Neither of us had previous problems with diarrhea and none since. Further searching found many disgruntled individuals on www.healingcrow.com who considered the product to be expensive rancid fish powder. If I remember 3 people had responded to my inquiry from that site.
I don't know anything about the homeopathic remedies. Sierra tried one for mercury removal with our old ND, but I never saw any difference. I have yet to find an ND that knows very much about chelation or has a "safe" protocol. Cutler talks about the "witch doctor" protocols that many NDs (many can actually be harmful) use in his book. Please let me know if you see any improvements with the Seacure. I'd love to hear something positive about the product. I loved everything else about the ND that gave it to me, but that experience left a bad taste in my mouth in more ways than one.
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