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post #161 of 850
Toraji,

I have heard of some needing to do an entire 'series' of liver flushes to really get it all 'cleaned' out. I think the Master Cleanses, combined with the special low carb 'burn up your stores' and other cleanses just 'super kicked' my liver flush, and that's why it seemed to work so well after only doing two.
I really figured I'd need alot more of the liver flushes after my early years!!

I am actually not only excited to have this 'last baby' to cuddle and cherish, but to be weaned in a few years and do another series of flushes/cleanses to tune up, and give me super energy to be 'mommy' to three (two of whom are already very energetic and on the go, kids!).

Good luck with any cleanses/flushes you do!
post #162 of 850
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I do think Cutler had some sort of test based on urine/blood to know whether the body is ready for ALA, Moneca do you remember this?

Also he did say that people who have side effects on small dosages could be fast metabolizers and could try more frequent dosing, like every 3 hrs instead of 4.

How else can you make the decision to continue? Other than your own observations as you chelate... Maybe test to see if chelation is causing you to excrete metals? I forgot what AHC said about that.
Well, Cutler suggested not to start ALA unless the body had decreased by 80% the plasma or extracellular mercury level from the point at which you were just before chelation if toxicity was recent exposure. Decrease of 50% for chronic poisoning.

Problem is if you start with ALA instead of DMSA you could very well be moving more mercury into the brain. ALA passes the BBB and allows mercury to flow to the area of least concentration. If plasma mercury is higher than brain levels you could be opening the chanels to allowing more mercury into the brain.

Jane is right, you could be a fast metabolizer. First let us know if you started with DMSA - for some reason I thought you did. Let us know how much and how long before you started the ALA. If that is not the problem I'll look up the specific elements that AC said would be skewed in specific amounts for fast metabolizers. I remember looking at this to be sure I was not a fast metabolizer and I wasn't. Thing is, ALA should be taken every 3 hours anyway and not every four hours. Only DMSA is o.k. every 4 hours. When I started taking both I just put everything to every 3 as otherwise the insanity would have never ended:.
post #163 of 850
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Heather - Thanks for posting.

I thought Heather's story of not being able to conceive for a total of 14 years altered by the removal and chelation of one amalgam was amazing! I had never thought of one amalgam as having the capability to be that toxic to any particular body system! I also thought her account was a wonderful illustration of our bodies needing detox (or chelation) and superior nutrition in order to heal. I was also reminded of what amazing creations our bodies are that they can heal from years of abuse when we emabark on the right path for our particular situation.
The current hot topic in my head is the potential damage of vaccines to our bodies natural detox pathways. I need to post in vax forumn about this. I'd love to find out if other individuals from the medical community, like myself, have crap for detox pathways due to all the extra vaccinations that we get going through school and with each new job:. Ah, another day.
post #164 of 850
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Hey all, popping in to catch up on posts...

moneca, are you still chelating or are you done?

I have another round or two before my bottle of ALA runs out and am trying to figure out if I want to continue chelating after that happens. How do you decide when you're done?
What was that? Am I done? Ha. I wish. I started in April and I expect to go until next April. I only want to do this once in my life and I want to get everything possible out of my brain.

How to know when you're done? Well, for me it will mean that my 19 symptoms of mercury toxicity that I have listed will all be gone. Out of the 19 listed, 9 have totally resolved (two more just this week and all but one of the rest have improved since chelating began. Some of these symptoms I've had since childhood and truly just believed it was the way I was made. This is why I'm such a believer in chelation for those who are toxic! I need to post all my improvements and my continuous use of kombucha and what I've found it does for me. Been meaning to do this for a while, but it's gonna be a long post.

I will also do a repeat hair analysis and probably a safe "challenge" as described by AC in AI. Doing this because I'm also lead toxic and DMSA clears this too. I want to be sure because we are waiting to get all possible mercury out of my body before ttc again. I'm convinced of how toxic this is and I don't want to leave any significant amount stored in my organs to flow back into my extracellular spaces.
post #165 of 850
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Toraji,

I have heard of some needing to do an entire 'series' of liver flushes to really get it all 'cleaned' out. I think the Master Cleanses, combined with the special low carb 'burn up your stores' and other cleanses just 'super kicked' my liver flush, and that's why it seemed to work so well after only doing two.
I really figured I'd need alot more of the liver flushes after my early years!!

Ooh, that Master Cleanse is a brute! Talk about feeling horrible the first two days. I though DH was gonna leave me after I got him to do that with me about 4 years ago! I've never heard, " You're trying to kill me" so many times in one day from that man.
post #166 of 850
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O.K. here are my list of improvements since chelation :

totally resolved :

1) finger tremors (1 1/2 years)
2) occasional left chest pain (25 years)
3) irrigular menses - every three weeks (20 years)
4) difficulty sleeping (9 mo)
5) kertosis pilaris, healthier skin, and better eyesight - I think this is more due to NT eating (KP 20 years)
6) excessive saliva - nice huh had to do a lot of swallowing (5 years)
7) bladder leaking (2 1/2 years since 41 hour labor)
8) anxiety (1 1/2 years) NT eating also helped some with this, but is better now (1 1/2 years)
9) splitting in corners of mouth (1 year)
10) foot odor - smelled like vinegar - totally gone WIll DH ever be happy when he gets back in town and notices this ( 6 years or so)


partially resolved :

1) digestion issues (5 years)
2) memory and concentration issues (6 years)
3) speech - difficulty finding words and mixing the order of words (6 years)
4) sweaty hands and feet - another fun one since I was a kid so 20+ years
5) thin hair (2 years)
6) fibrocystic breasts and axilla (20 years)
7) very mild periodontal disease in the gum above one tooth (2 years)
8) increased sensitation ( I used to have all my drinks so hot that people thought I was nuts and now I have to let them sit for an hour before I can drink them. I was still ordering my chai 180 deg from Starbucks right before I began chelating and then I quit the habit. I've gone in a couple times in the last few weeks for plain tea and I couldn't touch the stuff for some time as it was too hot. Increased sensitation in general. I had to come back and post this as it just occured to me last night after going to bed)

not resolved at all :

1) facial flushing (25 + years)

Most of these things showed initial improvement after about six weeks into DMSA and some not until one month into ALA. All these things I found listed in AI as symptoms of mercury toxicity. I remember thinking "oh, sure it could be, but we'll see." Wow, was I amazed as I saw so many improvements and realized AC was oh so right that so many issues would just resolve as chelation progressed. Who would have thought? It's so sad that the medical establishment has us thinking that all these symptoms are just how our body is programmed or part of the aging process. Actually it's what the AMA's sister the ADA reccomends that we place in our mouths that causes some of this:. I'm only 34 and had this much toxicity. I'm sure much is also due to my crappy detox pathways, but that is another discussion.
I started chelating with DMSA in April for about 6 weeks and began ALA at the beginning of June. It took 2 1/2 months to get to my goal of 100 DMSA/100 ALA which I've been at for 2 months.

Toraji - Can you list your improvements too please? You must be seeing some amazing stuff since you're thinking of stopping!
post #167 of 850
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Toraji - Can you list your improvements too please? You must be seeing some amazing stuff since you're thinking of stopping!
Oh geez, I wish (about the amazing improvements).

What it is, is that I am so, so tired of popping pills. Not to mention finances are tight right now. But honestly, I think I do need to go longer. The last round of chelation seemed to have made my allergies worse which was the main reason I started chelating in the first place. So I've been in "woe is me" land.

I think I have multiple issues going on, and that an environmental allergy is one of the big problems. Ever since I moved here 4 years ago, my nose has been clogged. So it's been difficult to notice improvements when I'm so focused on my stuffy nose.

But my memory seems to have improved as I mentioned before, though I don't know if it's better than when I first had my amalgams taken out. As for other issues, moods seem to be more stable now and I don't feel as angry about things like I used to. Digestion seems to have improved a wee bit (for things like wheat). If I think of more then I'll post back.
post #168 of 850
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Oh geez, I wish (about the amazing improvements).

You know, for me I had to get through a "hump" to really start feeling better. I was fatigued quite a bit on round for the first few months. My stuffy nose (just at night and in the early morning) that I had noticed only the last couple years was worse from the start (April) until about a month ago. It's gone now. I hadn't even paid much attention to that until you mentioned it. Remember Andy talks about the subjective sensation of sickness getting worse and not improving until 6-9 months into chelation. I did start feeling much better in general a couple weeks ago which was 4 months into ALA chelation. Figure 15 on page 52. You may want to give it a few more months to see if you push through the "hump".
Yes, I'm so sick of pushing the pills too. I've pushed all supplements to food source supplements where possible. I'm just sticking with this because I don't want to do it again and start all over. I would love to not wake up at 2 and 5 am.
What doses are you up to now?
post #169 of 850
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You know, for me I had to get through a "hump" to really start feeling better. <snip> Remember Andy talks about the subjective sensation of sickness getting worse and not improving until 6-9 months into chelation. I did start feeling much better in general a couple weeks ago which was 4 months into ALA chelation. Figure 15 on page 52. You may want to give it a few more months to see if you push through the "hump".
That must be it!!! OMG I am so in hump-land. I've been on ALA for maybe 2 months? Three months? I can't remember exactly. I'm up to 100/100 ALA/DMSA. Oh what a relief to hear it gets better. I'll have to re-read that part of the book.

I got so discouraged when my nose got worse, and it doesn't help that DH is not very excited about my chelation due to the side effects.

On a related note, thought you all would appreciate this. My dad is a jungle dentist (one of those dentists who work in the inner city placing lots of amalgams) and he's the one that put in my amalgams. So my mother knows that I've pulled out all my amalgams and am now doing chelation. She asked my aunt who works at my dad's office about mercury toxicity due to amalgams since my mother has a mouthful of them, and was reassured that "the ADA says that it's not harmful, so there's no problem". Then went on to tell me that both my aunt and my brother says that it is harder on your body to pull them out because of the exposure. So then, on one hand it's perfectly safe, but don't pull them out because they are toxic? WTF? I told her that the ADA has to say that otherwise they'd be faced with a ton of lawsuits. DH told me to remind them all that asbestos used to be considered safe as well (see, he's not all bad. :P)
post #170 of 850
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That must be it!!! OMG I am so in hump-land. I've been on ALA for maybe 2 months? Three months? I can't remember exactly. I'm up to 100/100 ALA/DMSA. Oh what a relief to hear it gets better. I'll have to re-read that part of the book.

I got so discouraged when my nose got worse, and it doesn't help that DH is not very excited about my chelation due to the side effects.

On a related note, thought you all would appreciate this. My dad is a jungle dentist (one of those dentists who work in the inner city placing lots of amalgams) and he's the one that put in my amalgams. So my mother knows that I've pulled out all my amalgams and am now doing chelation. She asked my aunt who works at my dad's office about mercury toxicity due to amalgams since my mother has a mouthful of them, and was reassured that "the ADA says that it's not harmful, so there's no problem". Then went on to tell me that both my aunt and my brother says that it is harder on your body to pull them out because of the exposure. So then, on one hand it's perfectly safe, but don't pull them out because they are toxic? WTF? I told her that the ADA has to say that otherwise they'd be faced with a ton of lawsuits. DH told me to remind them all that asbestos used to be considered safe as well (see, he's not all bad. :P)
Yes, try to hang on at least until you've been doing ALA for four to seven months. Look at that graph. I think it will make you feel better. Also, you might be having a harder time because it seems like you increased your ALA doses pretty quickly - I could be wrong as I don't remember your exact time frame. Did you try tacking a 24 hour period of just DMSA on after each round to "clean up"? It really made a difference for me.
That is a trip about your mom's comment. My folks are just waking up to everything and are ordering raw jersey milk to make kefir and starting their own kombucha brewing once they get back in town. They're 78, but it's never too late. Do you have a lot of symptoms that you wouldn't have attributed to mercury toxicity like those I listed? Are any resolving? Just curious. It's nice to have another mama chelating at the same time.
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Yes, try to hang on at least until you've been doing ALA for four to seven months. Look at that graph. I think it will make you feel better. Also, you might be having a harder time because it seems like you increased your ALA doses pretty quickly - I could be wrong as I don't remember your exact time frame. Did you try tacking a 24 hour period of just DMSA on after each round to "clean up"? It really made a difference for me. <snip>Do you have a lot of symptoms that you wouldn't have attributed to mercury toxicity like those I listed? Are any resolving? Just curious. It's nice to have another mama chelating at the same time.
Ok, I just ordered a bunch more DMSA and ALA. ALA is so much cheaper than DMSA, yikes!

I did indeed increase ALA/DMSA dosages quickly after my mishap with too much ALA that I talked about upthread. After that, I did not seem to have really much in the way of side effects, just increased urine volume and some grumpiness from time to time...totally manageable. I did a few rounds with a clean up day of DMSA, then these past couple rounds I have not felt like I needed it. I'm going to stick with 100/100 mg as my final dosage.

Some weird things that have happened recently since starting ALA:
-Increased tooth sensitivity. I was like you, moneca, I liked my food HOT. Then I had a period of really painful sensitivity. That seemed to mostly resolve with more salads and mineral supplements in the diet, but I still have to be careful with switching temperatures too quickly. My theory on this is that the chelation/mercury detox is messing with my mineral levels.

-My joints are achy! What is up with that? My knees and wrists is where I really notice it.

Not resolved at all:
-Floaters in my eyes
-Permanent stuffy nose (has gotten worse)
post #173 of 850
Ok I haven't had any time to read this thread at all, but I still have a question.

Is there anything I can do about my fillings/mercury at this point? My dd is nearly 3 and no where near weaning. I'm 35 and wanting another baby so waiting for her to wean (1-3 more years), getting fillings out, then starting ttc isn't really much of an option either. I feel stuck right now. I really want dd to self wean plus with all her gut issues I can't imagine what will happen if I cut off her liquid gold.
Any ideas???
post #174 of 850
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Ok I haven't had any time to read this thread at all, but I still have a question.

Is there anything I can do about my fillings/mercury at this point? My dd is nearly 3 and no where near weaning. I'm 35 and wanting another baby so waiting for her to wean (1-3 more years), getting fillings out, then starting ttc isn't really much of an option either. I feel stuck right now. I really want dd to self wean plus with all her gut issues I can't imagine what will happen if I cut off her liquid gold.
Any ideas???
Even though I am mercury toxic I found that dd's gut problems became worse after weaning her. I would guess that the beneficial properties of breastmilk outweigh the negative effects of any mercury passing through the milk. Jane S also had the same results when she weaned her ds.
From what I've read there is no safe way to detox when breastfeeding and esp. when ttc or pregnant as the fetus absorbs the mercury. I wish there was a safe way as I know a lot of mamas in your same position. Some people use kombucha as it is a natural detoxer, but I've even seen advice with that not to use when pregnant due to the detoxing effects.
If you're not taking selenium you could start that as it will help to complete your detox pathways if you are selenium deficient. You might look into kombucha as it supplies the body with glucaronic acid to detox which is made in your body by your liver. KT also supplies your body with other aminos and B and C vitamins. check out the traditional foods section of nutrition for more info.
post #175 of 850
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Even though I am mercury toxic I found that dd's gut problems became worse after weaning her. I would guess that the beneficial properties of breastmilk outweigh the negative effects of any mercury passing through the milk. Jane S also had the same results when she weaned her ds.
From what I've read there is no safe way to detox when breastfeeding and esp. when ttc or pregnant as the fetus absorbs the mercury. I wish there was a safe way as I know a lot of mamas in your same position. Some people use kombucha as it is a natural detoxer, but I've even seen advice with that not to use when pregnant due to the detoxing effects.
If you're not taking selenium you could start that as it will help to complete your detox pathways if you are selenium deficient. You might look into kombucha as it supplies the body with glucaronic acid to detox which is made in your body by your liver. KT also supplies your body with other aminos and B and C vitamins. check out the traditional foods section of nutrition for more info.
Thanks, I already take selinium and drink kombucha (as does dd, she loves it). TTC is currently on hold (I probably should change my siggy) while I get my health under control.
post #176 of 850
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Hi mamas!
It's been a while since I've posted because I've been investigating a detox for Sierra, seeing what results I got, and revamping my chelation.
I started digging hard core into a natural detox that the spectrum community is eating up and having marvelous advances with. I don't trust physicians or anyone who is selling the product so after doing my normal reading I jumped into 8000 posts by parents of autistic children who had been using the product since it came on the market about a year ago. I didn't surface for weeks.
Well, Sierra has gastroparesis (partially paralyzed stomach) so she vomits food that is undigested 8 hours after she has consumed it. This past spring 24hour raw milk yoghurt would come up still nice and thick after 4 hours. I'd been seeing alternative practicioners all along. Name a crazy alternative therapy and we've tried it. Name a diet and we've tried it. I always felt that if I could find the cause of the gastroparesis (more than not vagus nerve damage - vax, maternal mercury, physical injury during traumatic birth?) I felt that it could be treated and healed. The docs just wanted to give her drugs to treat the symptoms. A NUCCA chiro helped somewhat for about 5 months and then her progress started to plateau. Then we took her to a DO for cranial osteopathy as that helps with birth trauma and did see evidence that impinged cranial nerves were having pressure on them released - pretty amazing actually, but no gi improvements .
Knowing that I'm mercury toxic has always made me question her toxicity, but I had no way to measure it. Her hair grows so slowly that I knew her hair test was not reliable. With her stomach not working and her being so malnourished that her joints crack, she has the hair of a child half her age, and she has a deep crevice running the length of her toenails that started a year ago along with the joint cracking I could never have anyone chelate her safely.
I had to find a way to detox her gently and bypass the stomach. I tried epsom salt baths and some traditional chinese medicine detox foot patches.I started with the Body Pure, then the Takara version, and finally the Kinotakara which are supposed to have the strongest negative ion pull. She had no problems with the first two, but a week after starting the Kinotakara she began to stutter. She lost language at 12 mo, but never had stuttering problems. I blew this off at first, but then realized that my own mercury toxicity started to present itself 8 years ago with migraines/ vision changes right after moving from sea level to mile high (gain of 5000 ft) and progressed over the course of a year to stuttering, mixing the order of words, and difficutly with word finding. I guessed that the stronger patches were moving the mercury, but not fully extracting it thus increasing mercury plasma levels and causing speaking issues. I stopped the patches. By the time I started the Natural Cellular Defense (which I doubted for months before trying) three weeks later she was stuttering 10 times on each of the first two words of each sentence and would often say "nevermind" instead of finishing her
sentence. After the second day of NCD the stuttering was decreased by 50%. After a week the stuttering was gone not to return! I believe it was the Takarasite where I saw the chart with negative ion values for the various
brands of foot patches. Body Pure was 8, Takara 3, and Kinotakara was
1300. The patches went from a scant amount of tan to black when
switching from the Takara to Kinotakara. After a couple weeks of NCD we were seeing decreased vomiting, stools had gone from yellow (they had always been yellow) to green and brown with a new hideous smell, emptying time of her stomach for her raw yoghurt had gone downto 90 minutes which was very significant in suggesting that her gastroparesis was due to some form of toxicity or virus that the NCD was removing, she grew 1 1/2 inches (had only grown 1 1/2 inches in the last 6 months) , and she was more happy and outgoing. I gave her tomato in some cooked chili and some mushroom soup all in one week because she was doing so well. She regressed with massive yeast for three weeks and is starting to come back around after intense EVCO and AMLA.
I did a DDI urine test during all this and got eleveated mercury levels coming off. I had a phone consult with a toxicologist today. She was a GP and geneticist who treated all her pateints with drugs when she first joined the practice, but saw that they never got better. She then begun doing research on her own and got further training as a toxicologist. She began to detox her patients (with traditional chelators and then switched to NCD years later after doing her own research and trials on the product and finding it superior) after running tox tests and gave nutritional support. Almost all her patients began to heal so that is what she does for her patients now and is overseeing a research and treatment facility in Belize because she is so sick of the FDA. She was our 20th practicioner to consult for Sierra. She is the one I've been waiting for. She absolutely believes in maternal toxins being passed to the fetus and was able to easily explain EVERYTHING going on with Sierra and the changes she'd had on the NCD by explaining all of mercury's toxic effects. She validated everything I'd suspected that made the other practicioners think I was nuts. She also told me that mercury does cause gastroparesis. The consult ended up being almost an hour and only cost $45. I her.
Interestingly, I just got into a discussion yesterday on the Autism NCD group about maternal toxicity passing to the child in utero. One mother wrote that she believed this becuase she had her son's hair from when he was 3 mo old (lots of hair) and had it tested for metals. I don't think he had not received any vax at that point. He got his vax a little bit later and down the road became autistic. She remembered the old hair and ran it out of curiosity. Came back very high for mercury.
Also, it had been bugging me that I know so many mamas who have an oldest child who has the most medical issues, second with some, and a third child that is the healthiest. According to Prices's N&PD the oldest should be the most robust and healthy with each child being less so as the vitamin and mineral stores are used up and not well replenished. Then I realized that the world he researched in was mostly free of toxins compared to our present environment and people. Toxins trump nutrition because heavy metals displace minerals causing cell and body functions to be affected. So, if the oldest received the bulk of nutritional stores, but also the bulk of the toxins that have resided in a woman for 25-35 years it makes sense why that one would be the sickest. If the mama has enough toxins then her nutritional status is going to be in the crapper anyway. I've read before that a fetus absorbs mercury in the blood at a rate of 6 times what an adult would. At www.iaomt.com there is a video on mercury vapor release that has a short blip about the fetus absorbing mercury from the mother. One of the mothers on the autism list said that her DAN doctor told her that the best way for a mother to detox was to have a baby. I believe all this because I keep running into more and more as I walk down this road. I sent a fecal toxicity panel to DDI about a year ago for both myself and my daughter just to satisfy curiosity. Neither of us had chelated. We were both taking hydrated bentonite clay (myself 1 TBSP and she was taking 1/2 tsp.) first thing everyday in the morning. I had my 7 amalgams removed starting 6 months before the fecal test and completing the removal 2 months before the test. I should probably still have had a higher mercury level at that point due to the
increased exposure from removal despite using IAOMT protocol. Sierra was 2 yo at the time and had received all vaccines up through 6 months. DDI tested for Mercury, antinomy, arsenic, beryllium, bismuth, cadmium, copper, lead, nickel, platinum thallium, tungsten, and uranium. We were both positive for EVERY toxic element except for platinum! I had AT LEAST a 50% increase over her in every element except mercury. She had a 33% increase over my level in mercury. Along with the other information I had read that sealed the lid for me on the fact that a fetus has a higher affinity for mercury than other toxins.
So now she is on high dose NCD. I kept doing DMSA/ALA for a while, but after seeing her improvements and listening to a few audios by the doctor I consulted with I switched to ALA/NCD and have not had any problems. I had been on the DMSA 9 months when I switched to NCD. I read about so many mamas bending over backwards in their lives to try to heal their own guts and their childrens. I wonder how many people have to detox the metals before they can heal. Hmmmm....
How is everyone else doing?
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moneca! Great to hear from you, I have been wondering how your detox has been going and have been meaning to post here to check in. FABULOUS improvements!!! I am so happy that Sierra is doing so much better. I suspect toxicity issues with my DD, but am totally not ready to cross that bridge yet.

I have finally made a breakthrough with my progress...my nose is finally clearing up! I took about a month off chelating to do some cleanses, did another liver flush and then a colon cleanse. The liver flush was pretty clean but got some funky stuff with the colon cleanse (did the Holistic Horizons one). Then kept off the chelation due to having to move.

After moving, I started chelating again and that round seemed to clear up a bunch of stuff. I also started going to an NAET practitioner and that also cleared up some more stuff (what a wild experience, she cleared a bunch of emotional issues as well). So now I am feeling much better and stronger, woo hoo!

The great mercury-related improvement I have to report is that I don't have vertigo anymore. I used to have it really bad, where I could not squat down and stand up quickly without feeling like I was going to pass out. I suddenly realized that I had not had an episode for a while, and could not remember the last time I had one. Interestingly enough, this last round of chelation brought back a mild spell of it which seems to be a pretty good confirmation.

I am so thrilled with your NCD experience. It seems like something that would be good for my DD especially. Do you know if it has any side effects, and what about it made you decide to drop the DMSA for it? I know that stuff is frighteningly expensive but so was the DMSA.

DH is starting the process of getting his amalgams pulled out, so we get to look forward to at least another year of crazy chelating!
post #178 of 850
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Toraji,
Sweet improvements! Which liver flush did you do? I'm doing liverlife right now along with Sierra, but I'd like to do a good flush and maybe another colon cleanse too. I did do the master cleanse for 10 days - killer as I was reading Nina Planck's [U]Real Food[U] and salivating on the pages.
Actually after reading all the stories from the parents on autism NCD yahoo group I was ready to be amazed and did expect her stuttering to clear. I was surprised by how quickly it cleared. I gave it 6 weeks before I cut the DMSA because I wanted to watch and be sure it was real. I didn't want to throw away chelating that I'd done since last April. I figured if I stopped for long enough and had to go back later to DMSA/ALA I'd have to start at much lower doses and work my way up again. We'd like to get pregnant again so I'm trying to do this as fast as possible.
This is a link to an audio Dr. Hanshew did on toxins and NCD. Hers is at the very bottom and above her audio are two by Dr. Doris Rapp. The second one titled [B]the dangers of pregnancy on babies[B] was very good. Dr. Hanshew has a good number of autistic children that are patients so you could consult with her first if you wanted to. It gives all her credentials at the start of the audio. She only charges $45 for a 35 minute consult. Her site is www.askdrlyn.com These are all things that could help you determine if detoxing is right for your dd. The audio :

http://www.tagcenter.net/detox.html#anchor_264

NCD is cheaper for me than buying ALA/DMSA. Being on 100 mg of each I was spending over $200.00 per month. The NCD is 36.50 per bottle from www.brainchildnutritionals.com I take the adult dose of 10 gtts 3 times per day. Each bottle has 300 drops so I go through 3 bottles per month. Cutler claims that the DMSA does not pull minerals out and I always believed that. Some parents on the yahoo NCD group are still using the DMSA along with NCD for the time being. Some had been on the Cutler protocol and were still on the ALA along with the NCD. Many of the parents on that list spoke of all the minerals that DMSA pulled on their kids. It really made me reconsider DMSA. NCD isn't supposed to pull anything, but you can get a better idea of it from the audios. PM me if you want more links and I can send them to you.
Another thing Dr. Lyn said that rang as true was that we'll never get rid of the yeast until we get rid of the mercury because they go hand in hand. Her big emphasis was to get rid of the mercury and then everything would start to heal. She is 100% about detoxing and I've never talked to any practicioner that I agreed with more than her. It made me think of all the people who are working so hard and removing everything from their diet to get rid of the yeast and heal their gut and never get on top of things for long.
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Toraji -
Xenabyte had good results with this cheap homemade liver/gallbaldder flush :

http://www.kitchendoctor.com/healthc...llbladder.html

I'm going to do one tonight. Let me know if you're game, although you may not need another one depending on when you did your last one .
post #180 of 850
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O.K. the cleanse was a disaster. I only got down half the EVOO/lemon juice mix and knew I was about to bring it all back up. 4 hours later it all came back up anyway. I went to this site :

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp

I found out what I did wrong. I ate dinner. So we'll try it again in a bit. I think I'll do Hulda Clark's version next that requires a parasite cleanse first and only uses 1/2 cup EVOO. YUCK:Puke.
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