Chelating mamas? - Page 2

[moneca]

Well, I was doing well. Just a minor setback. The first day of this round at 50mg was fine. The second day I had a blurry vision, then migraine, and finally difficulty finding words for about 15 minutes - all after my morning dose. Talk about feeling rediculous - not being able to carry on a conversation with my two year old and I was REALLY concentrating! I wasn't freaked because I had migraines with vision changes for a year and then difficulty speaking and mixing the order of words for almost two years. That is how the mercury toxicity first showed itself, but I didn't know what it was. I had another migraine with my 4 pm dose and lowered the rest to 25 mg. Haven't had any problems today. Looks like I'll be sticking at 25 mg for a couple more weeks before I try 50 mg again. The folks on the Yahoo group said that sometimes the first week will go fine, but really hit you the second if your dose was too high. Some of them start at 12.5 mg DMSA. Hope you learn from my mistakes.

[moneca]

Toraji -
How long ago did you have your amalgams removed?

[Calliope]

Hi, I am not chelating, but I am wondering if someone on this thread can give me advice.

I have a mouthful of amalgam filled teeth but have never had any symptoms of mercury toxicity. Then about 5 days ago a piece of an amalgam-filled molar broke off. Since then I have the following symptons, jaw pain (this may bc I am clenching my jaw due to being nervous about broken tooth), bad mood, irrationality, stomach upset. This could all be psychosomatic though as it is on my mind a lot.

The reason it is on my mind is that I have a nursing 10 month old and I am terrified that I may be harming him with mercury laced milk. Could this be the case and how much harm could this be causing him do you think? Should I wean?

Thanks and sorry to hijack...

[toraji]

moneca-
I got them taken out about a month ago. How scary about your toxicity! You know, I remember feeling exceedingly slow after they were taken out, trying to talk to the dentist and being really scattered. I thought it was due to having my mouth open for so long and being really tired, but now I'm thinking that I got some exposure despite the precautions. Also, for a few days following I was pretty foggy as well. Scary stuff! I'll start with a low dosage of DMSA and see what happens.

Calliope, I am not sure what the best solution to that is. I think that you probably did get exposed from the amalgam breaking open. However, if it were me I would not wean. I think that the benefits of breastfeeding are more than the exposure to mercury, and that breastmilk can protect the baby from toxins despite exposing them to said toxins. However, I would ensure that I was eating as nutrient-dense as possible, and making sure that I'm taking the appropriate supplements (like selenium if you live in a selenium-deficient area) to aid with keeping detox pathways open.

Another thing against weaning right now is that if you did get exposed to mercury, then it would have already passed through the breastmilk. Weaning right now would not stop the exposure, it would only prevent healing via nutritional factors since formula is so sub-par. Babe would have to deal with healing mercury exposure plus adjusting to a milk substitute.

Of course, this is just my opinion, others may feel differently. HTH!

[moneca]

Originally Posted by Calliope

Hi, I am not chelating, but I am wondering if someone on this thread can give me advice.

I have a mouthful of amalgam filled teeth but have never had any symptoms of mercury toxicity. Then about 5 days ago a piece of an amalgam-filled molar broke off. Since then I have the following symptons, jaw pain (this may bc I am clenching my jaw due to being nervous about broken tooth), bad mood, irrationality, stomach upset. This could all be psychosomatic though as it is on my mind a lot.

The reason it is on my mind is that I have a nursing 10 month old and I am terrified that I may be harming him with mercury laced milk. Could this be the case and how much harm could this be causing him do you think? Should I wean?

Thanks and sorry to hijack...

I would not wean your son. JaneS and I were both concerned about the mercury levels in our breastmilk. We both now realize that the known and unknown protective factors in breastmilk are more important than the mercury they were getting. I agree with Toraji that it is most important to eat nutrient dense foods. Visit the April NT thread in Nutrition or www.westonaprice.org

[moneca]

Well, thought I was doing fine on the 25 mg.... I decreased the DMSA to 25 mg and had a great day - no headaches. Out of nowhere (no preceeding event or anything)I went from feeling normal and energetic to hopeless, panicked, cold ie: shivering, (like when my adrenals were trashed last year due to extreme stress and no sleep)and depressed. I thought I was going to have to stop celation because I knew I couldn't go through this again - my daughter is 2 with health issues and needs a functioning mama.
Suddely, after 3 hours all the horrible feelings went away and I've
felt normal ever since. Is this the most bizarre thing you've ever
heard of? I went through a horrible depression/anxiety about a year
and a half ago that lasted 8 months. NOTHING touched it and I
attributed it to the fact it was situational (moved to NYC, very
homesick, 7 mo old baby gets sick and no doc can help, homebound all
the time with the baby, hubby keeps losing jobs). Now that I think
about it, things got better in May as the weather improved and I did
start getting my amalgams out in July. The feelings that I had yesterday were exactly what I felt for all those months. I have a feeling this is the 100 mg DMSA from my first round (I'm currently on my second round) coming back to bite me in the backside. I'm sticking to the 25mg DMSA for the completion of this round plus a couple more before I try to go back up to 50mg. I'm learning quite the lesson re: how powerful and toxic mercury is to our bodies. I'm also learning that although I might feel wonderful and have plenty of energy, that doesn't mean that I can jump right into DMSA because the first round went well. This is actually making me more determined than ever to get this crap out of my body. I feel very blessed that I am aware of this at 34 instead of waiting any longer. I must have really been mag deficient because I've been so wonderfully mellow since starting the supplements.

[JaneS]

Calliope,

Mercury from a current exposure only stays in the bloodstream for 3 days. And since bm is made up of contents of your bloodstream the exposure is long gone by now.

Then the Hg moves to be stored in organs and brains (lovely I know). How much is very depending on the person, and your ability to detox is also dependent on your nutrient status. Selenium is a great suggestion. Also vitamin C with every meal.

Protecting your child has everything to do with nutrition, this I've learned thru my long journey. Perhaps this is your impetus to learn more too.

[JaneS]

Wow Moneca, yet again, you are blazing the way for me here. That is bizarre for sure. I'm so very glad it was fleeting!

Mag. is wonderful. Most people are mag. deficient. That and CLO are some of the first choices people should make for supplements I think!

I also wonder if Hg effects nutrient levels in the blood as it moves its way around the body and why some of these types of things might happen.

[JaneS]

Calliope,

And do keep us posted how you are doing... the stomach issues can linger as mercury acts like an antibiotic and kills off the good bacteria. My favorite magnesium is Natural Calm, great for insomnia and anxiety and TMJ.

http://www.papanature.com/store/Prod...&pid=PTG-00014

[moneca]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I also wonder if Hg effects nutrient levels in the blood as it moves its way around the body and why some of these types of things might happen.

I believe I have so much stored mercury that I will not be "well" (although I feel great - no complaints now that that horrible episode is past) despite eating WP and avoiding all chemicals until I get the mercury out. It is the most toxic metal in existence! I'm starting to believe that anyone who stores is mercury toxic regardless of their diet and supreme supplementation.

[toraji]

Ok, got my DMSA. It's in the cabinet waiting until after the 12th, as I have to give a presentation that day and can't afford to be scatterbrained!

Been feeling pretty good overall. I got my front tooth checked out (the one with external resorption and a root canal) and after much research and thought, I'm going to get the resorption treated rather than getting the tooth removed, and possibly redoing the root canal with biocalyx later on down the line. My reasoning is that removing a tooth gives a chance for a cavitation, and also impacts the neighboring teeth to put a bridge in. Implants seem like a bad idea. So I think I'll take my chances right now with the root canal, get the mercury out, and then see how I feel then. If I had a serious autoimmune disease or MCS, then I'd probably take out the root canal though.

[moneca]

Originally Posted by toraji

Ok, got my DMSA. It's in the cabinet waiting until after the 12th, as I have to give a presentation that day and can't afford to be scatterbrained!

Smart mama! Giving a presentation during my two episodes would have been horrible.

[Bestbirths]

Hi! We are on round 13 with ALA & DMSA, andy cutler method. 50 mg. Right now my ds has a look in his eyes like he's trapped in there and wants to come out. It's a new look I haven't seen before. I am concerned about new ridges that have formed on his fingernails since beginning chelating, going downwards on all of the nails. He's 17 years old.

We all need chelation, but only ds is doing it now.

We just got my DH's hair test back, off the charts in the red on antimony and cadmium, and middle of the page high for lead and arsenic. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. Good thing is, I gave him a handful of supplements recommended from the Hair Test interpretation book for his condition and it did make him feel much better....so there is a little bright spot to all of this. Boy thank you Andy Cutler!!!!

[JaneS]

Nice to see you here BB! I kept meaning to PM you about the thread

Fingernail ridges... some sort of nutritional cause for sure but which one is the question. How is his digestion doing thru chelation? Any changes?

[Bestbirths]

I think with all of the Houstons his digestion is way better. Bowels are regular. His chest has broadened, and he has developed muscle on his legs where they used to be little sticks. His diet is not great. He eats with cravings (we get him what he's craving) and for years that's how we have done it with him to keep weight on. Something like nail ridges is something I can use to get dh on board with strongly encouraging ds to eat better....so maybe this is a YAY thing.


I think he is getting more and more here through chelation. I have a picture that I took this weekend and he does have a look now that is not vacant anymore. His eyes look like he is in there and is trapped and wants to come out...I wouldn't think that at round 13 we would be too far along. We have a long road ahead. They say it's like a roller coaster. We've already had lots of ups and some down's. We had a fairly long regression from MB12...so won't be trying that again for a long time. If the nail ridges are from chelation, maybe he is using up so many nutrients getting rid of the toxic elements because the chelation is working and the supplements aren't enough...he needs better food...that's what I think.

[moneca]

Bestbirths,
Glad to have you here. Glad to hear good news about DS less vacant look. I still have a couple of rounds of DMSA left before starting the ALA also. How long did DS take just DMSA before throwing the ALA in? Are you doing this with a doc?

[carnelian]

Been reading this useful thread. I posted this on the NT board as I know lots of the mamas there know something about chelation but I thought I'd post here as well. A friend has been using something called zeolite and was singing its praises. I read the info on the bottle and it described a 'chelation-like' effect. Sounded dubious to me so I did some more research but haven't come up with much. What is a 'chelation-like' effect if it's not chelation? The websites say nothing about pregnant or nursing woman abstaining from this product, in fact they say it's safe for everyone to take. So does anyone know anything about this product or about the substances used, apparently they're volcanic minerals.

[JaneS]

Not that he's a god or anything, but Andrew Cutler says it doesn't chelate:
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/170785.html

I tend to believe him more than others b/c he's done a ton of research and doesn't benefit from recommending a certain product.

However, it is frustrating when one reads such glowing things elsewhere and we so want something natural and safe for everyone!!

[JaneS]

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/171042.html

Apparently it is an MLM too.

[Bestbirths]

Update: I found out that ds nail ridges could be arsenic coming out of the body during the natural course of chelation.

I upped ds zinc to 54mg 5x a day (152lbs). We had been using Enzymatic Therapies GSE bound with a choline for extra absorbability. I think these are a few of the changes that come to mind. Maybe a big hunk of toxins chelated out last time....or how do I explain....

This week has been a miracle with gains, he has gone out of the house, he bathes, he does the mouthrinse, he cleans under his nails, he went to a tournament for video games and won money, he went to a friends graduation, he went to a friends first gig, he went to another friends house, he spent the night for the first time in his life somewhere, then he spent another night, came home and bathed again, went to the viewing and funeral of his friends Father (my friend too), then he and his friend who just lost his father went back across town to stay at another friends house, and now ds is chelating himself over there (sent him with the stuff and he's doing it). He has gone from a few life skills to handfulls and handfulls in less than a week.

I know that this could be an up, and we could have a down, so I am not too excited, but I am feeling pretty proud of my mama self and happy for ds, and needing to celebrate!!!!
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