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post #561 of 850
I have finally finished reading the whole thread.
DH has been working on getting his amalgams out. He still has 3 quadrants to go. The first bit he got done in Thailand (we live in Asia), not with a biological dentist, so probably not according to the right protocols. We are going back to the US in the winter and he wants to get the rest out, or at least as much as possible for the time we are there. We have been eating TF for the last year and a half and he takes SA every now and then. Other than that he doesn't do any supplements. We will get Andy Cutler's book when we go back and he will eventually chelate, but what is the supplement regime that he can start on now?

Also, I had one amalgam as a child, but none now. I would have thought that I don't have a lot of mercury, but am suspecting that it really is an issue for me. I had allergy shots for a year or so (as a preschooler) and my mom has a mouthful of amalgams, which she already had when she was pregnant with me. I remember playing with mercury in primary school , and have also had a LOT of vaxes, especially the last ten years, for living here. But I am nursing a toddler who has no intention of stopping anytime soon and we want to have more kids sooner rather than later. So, what supplements can I take to help my body deal with daily exposure (we have a lot here) while keeping it out of my milk and keep exposure to a fetus (in the future) to a minimum?

And then, Tanya, if you are still around, what are you supplementing your kids with? I think dd (27 mos) has mercury issues. We have not done any tests, but will in the future. In the meantime I would like to start with supplements to help her.
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SAmama, I will type up the whole list in a day or two. We just got back from an extended vacation, and between that and unpacking in our new house and two minor illnesses this week, I'm swamped.

I _think_ some people use Brainchild products, I haven't looked into it because we do everything as separates (so it looks like a long list, but it's the "typical" biomed list.

For things that are safe while nursing, I would pore over posts from Firefaery. She seems to use a combo of specific dietary things and some supplements and (I think) homeopathy for her kids, and maybe other stuff? I am always fascinated reading her posts, but I'm taking a very different approach so I don't really know the details of what she's doing. Search for her name and mercury or glutathione to get a good start.
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So you've got his Hair Test Interpretation book? Do your results look suspicious? I was really interested in the section that talked about the continuum in results from normal to unusual to suspicious to likely mercury poisoned. It makes a lot of sense, and I hadn't realized that interpretation was that nuanced.

Anyway, welcome! The more the merrier (well, sort of, in a sick way...).
post #565 of 850
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And then, Tanya, if you are still around, what are you supplementing your kids with? I think dd (27 mos) has mercury issues. We have not done any tests, but will in the future. In the meantime I would like to start with supplements to help her.
SAmama, I'll put the list below. It's sorta long (okay, it's really long, I just thank God this won't be forever!). From my reading, this seems to be a pretty typical list for the biomed approach. My HCP likes Perque and Thorne (the companies) but I understand there are other companies, and companies like Brainchild, I think, sell products that are a combo of these. My kids are 30 and 40 pounds and they get basically the same dosages.

The rationale, as I understand it, is to supplement nutritionally to get the body's basic detox pathways working, and once they're working and the kiddo is caught up on more accessible, circulating toxins (with my son, we saw that when his vitC need got down to a sorta reasonable level and he stopped banging his head on the wall), then start things like chelation that draw out more toxins.

The modifilan (it's a seaweed extract, and it tastes green) can be a stand-alone--I don't think it needs any of the others to work. The other stuff, in these doses, works together, although vitamin C may be a stand-alone as well.

And I've been doing baths like this more regularly (another stand-alone).
http://www.peacefulhealingjourney.com/detoxbath.htm

Here’s what we do:
--DHA-250mg (sometimes I skip this)
--Perque Mg Plus Guard 110mg (1-2/day)
--Thorne zinc citrate ½ cap, each cap is 30mg so I give 15mg/day per kid
--Perque Bone Guard Forte 20 (tablet ground in a coffee grinder—kids get ½ tablet per day)
--Thorne B-complex #6 1/day
--Perque Liva Guard 1/day (has silymarin (milk thistle extract), reduced glutathione, and other stuff)
--modifilan started at 2-3/day, now mostly 6/day and will go higher when the kids need it (on rounds of ALA or after cranial-sacral—have noticed significant toxin releases after bodywork for both kids—it caused irritability and a jump in vitC need)
--Thorne melaton-1 (1mg)
--Perque activated B-12 guard (sublingual B-12) usually ½ tab 2x/day but lately 1tab 2x/day for extra support while chelating
--Perque Life Guard Chewables – multivitamin, 1-2/day
--Thorne vitamin K2—daughter gets 1 drop 2x/day, son gets 3 drops 3x/day (1 drop = 1mg—this is considered a very high dose of k2, the vitamin k yahoo group has a good store of knowledge on this, and K2 isn’t standard for biomed, it seems to be a quirk of ours—my daughter doesn’t seem to need nearly as much, but son is different)
--cod liver oil—I use Green Pastures cinnamon flavored (which still has a hint of fish, sad to say), the kids get about 7000-8000 IU vitA/day, plus the vitD and EPA/DHA also in CLO
--Bronson sodium ascorbate (vitC) item 50B (mild salty flavor) to bowel tolerance 3x/day
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post #567 of 850
I was wondering if you came close to any of the rules. I sorta skipped most of the pages of other peoples' results, but I found parts of the book really interesting (yes, in more of an encyclopedia way). I've got the book, I think I am going to be something of an advisor to my parents and I feel like I need to learn a lot more, both are mercury toxic. The normal-unusual-suspicious-failing continuum is of interest because while my dad failed 2 rules, my mom didn't fail any, but things are in the unusual/suspicious category (plus she's got lots of symptoms like me), and she's on a med that is altering how her body uses a few minerals (an osteoporosis med).

Anyway, that was a long way of saying, are you close to failing, or maybe you really don't have a mercury problem and it's really just arsenic and antimony? Not that I know a way to get arsenic and antimony out without getting your amalgams out, but if I run across any ideas, I'd share them.
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post #570 of 850
Thank you Tanya! Wow, how in the world do you get it into your kiddos, especially the little one? I remember reading a long while ago that you make some kind of drink. What is that again? I am so hesitant to put the precious supplements in a drink that very likely will not be drunk. We live in Asia and it is always such a drama to get sups sent here. She didn't even like lemon flavoured clo in a smoothie. Right now she takes butter oil and clo off the spoon. Also enzymes and minerals (which she HATES), but I have no idea how to even get vit C in her (esp. since she has tooth decay so cannot go the way of chewables at all).
post #571 of 850
Well, what I _should_ have done starting with the supps was add them really slowly (really slowly) and I should have expected setbacks and the need to revise. As it was, I tried to add lots of things and we had to start completely over twice. The "rules" I learned for my kids were to keep it small (I add 3-4T of liquid to the powders and mix it into a thin slurry), use a beverage that has a strong flavor, and be willing to add a sweetener. Right now I use a small amount of pomegranate juice and sometimes some OJ and some agave. And then we had to negotiate _how_ they'll drink it--they were happy with straws for a long time, but lately they want to sip it from a tablespoon measure (which I like because it's faster). I used to use a homemade chocolate syrup for my daughter's drink (my son gets rashes from chocolate) but I think it was pretty heavy (hard to drink it all) and she was okay with the juice solution, so we switched.

The vitC is actually one of the easiest (as long as the dosage isn't _really_ high, which I've had to do at times) because I use Bronson's sodium ascorbate and it's just salty tasting. The B vitamins and the liver support (liva guard) are icky tasting, quite bitter. The modifilan tastes green, but I actually did add that one in fairly slowly and the kids didn't really seem to mind. But we do this 3x/day which, at this point, I admit is getting old, but if I were feeling better, we would had made a lot more progress by now and so the total time needing to do this would've been less.

This is the only way of getting the supps into the kids that I've really looked into, I don't know if, say, Brainchild's products are tastier (I'm sure there are other companies, I'm just not familiar with them).
post #572 of 850
Hey, I just realized something in the last couple days. I _think_ it's possible that I've turned the corner on the worst of the post-amalgam removal mercury dumping. Cause I'm happy. I don't have a lot of extra reasons at the moment--just got back from an extended vacation where I was pretty hit-or-miss on my supps and I was getting stressed at trying to keep us fed (gfcf away from home) and the kids were getting seriously cranky by the end, I was sick twice this past week, our old house still hasn't sold, it's still freakishly hot (Houston), and my husband's adrenal test just came back and his adrenals are as bad as mine (a real bummer). Nothing earth-shatteringly bad, but not great. And I'm happy. Wow. I hope I'm not celebrating too soon, but maybe things are really on the upswing now.

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post #573 of 850
Can I join you mamas?

We recently tested my daughter using a provoked urine test. DD is on the spectrum and boy is she the queen of heavy metals. She did fine on the provoked test. I know some don't but the amount of DMSA didn't seem to bother her. The tests revealed she has elevated levels of lead, antimony, mercury, arsenic, and uranium! How would she get uranium? We live in the middle of the Pacific. I can see possible sources for the other heavy metals but not the uranium but I don't doubt the test result. Perhaps my work on military bases led me to be exposed to uranium? Our doctor is going to start us on chelation soon. I think we'll be doing DMSA soon. DD is already on a bunch of supplements that have been helping her greatly. I added Liver Life from BioRay recently and it's been working well for her. We're seeing some nice gains.

I'm familiar with Andy Cutler's work. I lurk on his Autism-Mercury board and Onibasu. Our doctor is going to use a similar approach. She favors low and slow chelation as well.
post #574 of 850
Welcome BookGoddess! The more the merrier (in a weird way).

I think I've read that uranium is highly geographically dependent, so I'd guess that either you lived (maybe growing up?) in an area that's high in uranium, or that your current location is. I remember it varies throughout the US (and presumably the rest of the world), but I don't remember where's where (cause I don't think I grew up in a high-uranium area).

So how long have you been doing supps with your daughter? I ask because it's been more than a year for us (things have gone slower than they could've because my health isn't great and I am just slow with this) and I've gotta say, this is getting old. I really want things to be done, but I bet it will be maybe another full year. I guess I should be grateful that we may be done in 2 years?
post #575 of 850
Thanks for the welcome!

We've been doing supplements for about 9 months now with DD. She takes too many to list here but among those that she gets every day are Nordic Naturals CLO, Evening Primrose Oil, lots of Vitamin C, CoQ10, L-Carnitine, Brainchild Nutritionals multivitamin/minerals, amino acids, along with lots of good probiotics, antifungals (both natural and Nystatin), and a digestive enzyme with DPP4. I think by the end of all this, and I also hope there is at least a decrease in the number of supplements, that I'll have a Ph.D's worth of knowledge.

But this biomedical approach has helped DD so much. We're also doing the gfcfeggfree diet and intensive therapies to catch up on the missed developemental milestones.

Our doctor said the other children she had seen with similar high uranium results were from New Mexico but I've never been there although I have travelled extensively throughout the USA and the world. I have a feeling DD got the uranium from me and I got it unbeknownst to me from somewhere I've been to. It's water under the bridge in a way. I'm focused on trying to reduce her current exposure as much as possible. I'm trying to get rid of DD's mattress and replace it with an organic one because the antimony must be in her crib mattress. We've tried to cut down on nonorganic chicken because of the arsenic content. I know where the mercury came from. Shots and my amalgams. After we've treated DD, both DH and I want to have our amalgams removed but our first priority is DD.

I look forward to learning from everyone here.
post #576 of 850
Forgot to add that DD gets transdermal glutathione cream from a compounding pharmacy which we put on at night after her bath. Man..does that lotion smell like sulfur but it seems to be helping. DD's language is much better now. Still got a ways to go but we've all noticed a difference.
post #577 of 850

Ack! My hair test results are in!

Hi y'all!

I haven't posted for months, but I'm glad to see this thread is still going strong.

Can any Doctor's Data Hair Elements Test experts out there help me with my test results? (I finally did the hair test.) I have no idea how to analyze the results.

At first glance, my results kind of freak me out, and I'm trying not to have a panic attack over the fact that my silver seems to be at the 100th percentile! In my hypochondriac brain this translates into: "Ack! I'm at death's door!"

Help! Please!

Hair Test
post #578 of 850
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Originally Posted by rayo de sol View Post
Hi y'all!

I haven't posted for months, but I'm glad to see this thread is still going strong.

Can any Doctor's Data Hair Elements Test experts out there help me with my test results? (I finally did the hair test.) I have no idea how to analyze the results.

At first glance, my results kind of freak me out, and I'm trying not to have a panic attack over the fact that my silver seems to be at the 100th percentile! In my hypochondriac brain this translates into: "Ack! I'm at death's door!"

Help! Please!

Hair Test
Well, I looked up stuff in the Cutler Hair Interpretation book--nobody I know IRL has normal, orderly mineral transport so I've never been able to look up something and find something sorta solid.

By Cutler’s counting rules, you’re not mercury toxic. Do you know the rules? Five or fewer bars (in the essential and other elements part) to the left or the right (left or right of the center 50% line) means failing, so your test doesn’t fail that. Four or more bars into the red zone (essential and others) means failing, and you’ve only got 3. And 11 or fewer bars ending in the white/green zone is failing too, and you’ve got 16, so you’re good there too.

Below I’ll put some of the symptoms of silver toxicity. Do you feel bad? I don’t remember if you put symptoms earlier in the thread. To get better interpretation (I’m a newbie), you could ask at the frequent dose chelation yahoo group. There’s a server that people can use for putting up results (they take out name, etc automatically) and there are knowledgeable people who can help--they _definitely_ know more than me. I’ve read that some people can have really odd results (like this) and seem healthy, and they may actually be healthy. So I think a big part is whether any of this seems to apply to you.

Silver: silver hair levels are believed to accurately reflect body burden in the presence of normal, orderly mineral transport (like yours).

Sometimes silver toxicity causes a blue tint to the skin but not always. It can cause intellectual impairment, more likely if the poisoning started in infancy. It can also cause apathy. Adults with long-standing silver problems can have intact intellect and maybe even superior intelligence. People are dramatic, emotional, impulsive, with quick emotional changes. May be interested in the performing arts. Discontented with their life, in a hurry, want immediate gratification. Often fearful and tend to misunderstand other peoples intentions and misperceive situations. May be concerned they are losing their mental faculties or that they’re going crazy. Memory may be poor. May have epilepsy (petit mal or grand mal). Often have binocular vision problems.

With high levels of toxicity, anemia can occur where the red blood cells are small but have normal amounts of hemoglobin (low hematocrit, it is a hyperchromic, microcytic anemia—can you tell I’m typing verbatim from the book?). Enlargement of the heart can occur and generalized muscle weakness.

Selenium and vitamin E cause improvement. Silver is believed to antagonize copper (though yours looks normal) and induces copper deficiency, so copper supplementation (on the order of 2-3mg/day) may help (but it makes most other metal toxicities worse).
post #579 of 850
Thank you so much, Tanya!

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By Cutler’s counting rules, you’re not mercury toxic. Do you know the rules?
Wow! That's great! I can't quite believe it since I have so many mercury fillings--and so does my mother and grandmother. We have a long tradition of mercury in my family.

So, is there a thorough explanation of Cutler's counting rules somewhere on this thread (did a search and couldn't find it)? (His rules analyze only the essential elements, not the toxic elements, right?) I don't understand why it's good to have my essential minerals ranging all over the place?

I guess I just don't understand the results of the hair test. Maybe I'm interpreting the test all wrong, but when I look at the essential elements, it looks like I'm deficient in calcium, magnesium, manganese, iodine, etc.... Or does an element have to be into the red zone to be deficient? In which case, I'm seriously deficient in lithium. Similarly, does the high range of my chromium and molybdenum mean I'm overdosed or toxic on those elements?

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Four or more bars into the red zone (essential and others) means failing, and you’ve only got 3.
Wait, don't I have four: silver, chromium, molybdenum, and lithium? Or does the silver not count for the counting rules?

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To get better interpretation (I’m a newbie), you could ask at the frequent dose chelation yahoo group.
Thanks! I'm gonna follow your advice and join the group.

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I’ve read that some people can have really odd results (like this) and seem healthy, and they may actually be healthy.
OMG, my results are "really odd"??? Ack! (I'm not panicking--OK, yes I am!)

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Sometimes silver toxicity causes a blue tint to the skin but not always. It can cause intellectual impairment, more likely if the poisoning started in infancy. It can also cause apathy. Adults with long-standing silver problems can have intact intellect and maybe even superior intelligence. People are dramatic, emotional, impulsive, with quick emotional changes. May be interested in the performing arts. Discontented with their life, in a hurry, want immediate gratification. Often fearful and tend to misunderstand other peoples intentions and misperceive situations. May be concerned they are losing their mental faculties or that they’re going crazy. Memory may be poor. May have epilepsy (petit mal or grand mal). Often have binocular vision problems.

With high levels of toxicity, anemia can occur where the red blood cells are small but have normal amounts of hemoglobin (low hematocrit, it is a hyperchromic, microcytic anemia—can you tell I’m typing verbatim from the book?). Enlargement of the heart can occur and generalized muscle weakness.
I bolded all the symptoms that describe me. Ack!

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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
Selenium and vitamin E cause improvement. Silver is believed to antagonize copper (though yours looks normal) and induces copper deficiency, so copper supplementation (on the order of 2-3mg/day) may help (but it makes most other metal toxicities worse).
I would be scared to take copper (in case it might make my mercury go up or something), but I'll look into the selenium and vitamin E.

Is there anything else I can do for myself? I guess I can't chelate with a mouthful of amalgams....

Speaking of amalgams, could this silver toxicity be coming from the amalgams? Aren't the amalgams a mixture of mercury and silver?

And what does this silver toxicity mean for TTC? Would I pass on the silver to any children I have?

(Trying not to get seriously depressed....)

Thank you for all of your help! I hope I'm not asking too many questions.
post #580 of 850
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Thank you so much, Tanya!


Wow! That's great! I can't quite believe it since I have so many mercury fillings--and so does my mother and grandmother. We have a long tradition of mercury in my family.

Detoxifying the mercury every day is work for your body, no doubt (and I don't think it's great for anyone), but it's good not to meet his counting rules.

So, is there a thorough explanation of Cutler's counting rules somewhere on this thread (did a search and couldn't find it)? (His rules analyze only the essential elements, not the toxic elements, right?) I don't understand why it's good to have my essential minerals ranging all over the place?

There's actually not a good discussion in the thread, just references. Yes, his rules only apply to the essential and other elements, and you need to see if those are "normal" before you understand how to interpret the toxic elements or even the levels of the essential and other elements. It should be more straightforward with normal mineral transport, which yours looks to be.

And his rules measure your essential elements _not_ being widely scattered. Very few minerals in the middle white/green zone is bad, lots of minerals way out at the edges is bad--and yours are most similar to normal healthy people (except for the silver in the toxic part, of course).


I guess I just don't understand the results of the hair test. Maybe I'm interpreting the test all wrong, but when I look at the essential elements, it looks like I'm deficient in calcium, magnesium, manganese, iodine, etc.... Or does an element have to be into the red zone to be deficient? In which case, I'm seriously deficient in lithium. Similarly, does the high range of my chromium and molybdenum mean I'm overdosed or toxic on those elements?

There are different rules for all of these, in terms of whether being low in hair really means your body is low (I think the lithium may mean you're really low, not sure of the others). I can look these up, but for this type of stuff, I don't know much--like I said, the 3 hair tests I've looked at in-depth (parents and my daughter) were all mercury toxic and the interpretation is just totally different for that.


Wait, don't I have four: silver, chromium, molybdenum, and lithium? Or does the silver not count for the counting rules?

No, you really only count the essential/other elements, so the silver doesn't count for these purposes. But normal, orderly mineral transport means the silver likely is high.


Thanks! I'm gonna follow your advice and join the group.


OMG, my results are "really odd"??? Ack! (I'm not panicking--OK, yes I am!)

Odd to me for two reasons--one is that you're _not_ mercury toxic, and also it's not usual (in my limited experience) to see a toxic element all the way to the top of the scale.



I bolded all the symptoms that describe me. Ack!

Then it sounds like this was a good thing for you to have looked into, eh?


I would be scared to take copper (in case it might make my mercury go up or something), but I'll look into the selenium and vitamin E.

Is there anything else I can do for myself? I guess I can't chelate with a mouthful of amalgams....

Speaking of amalgams, could this silver toxicity be coming from the amalgams? Aren't the amalgams a mixture of mercury and silver?

I can look up how people typically get silver toxic, without seeing other stuff like nickel and more mercury, I'd look for other sources (and for that matter, I don't remember how much, if any, actual silver is in amalgam fillings).

And what does this silver toxicity mean for TTC? Would I pass on the silver to any children I have?

You probably would, yes. I don't see how it could be avoided--I passed on a load of crap to my kids.

(Trying not to get seriously depressed....)

To me this actually seems good. I doubt you sent in a hair sample just because you had money to burn, right? You've identified a problem that has a concrete solution, it's fairly straightforward, and it doesn't require dental work before starting, so you can just figure out dosages and start. It sounds like you don't already have kids? So you don't need to deal with the guilt there, or the work to help them heal.

Thank you for all of your help! I hope I'm not asking too many questions.
No problem.
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