I'd tend to say, take more time to stop and think, and consider buying supps online, the quality is generally better and the prices lower.
I'll be back after dinner to write more.
I'll be back after dinner to write more.
Hi all..!!! New here although I have been reading this off & on for a while now..!
I am 23, and have 4 fillings, and have only had them for about 3 years. I have baby fever really badly and I honestly don't see myself being able to wait the year or 2 it would take to get my amalgams removed and then chelate. Every other aspect of my life is stable. Husband and I have been together 9 years, have a great marriage, own our own home (in Los Angeles..!) and I have a great career. Hubby and I have wanted kids since I was 18 and we have waited and waited and pushed the desire down until we got things in order. Now especially after just moving into our new house and of course it seems that everyone around me is either getting pregnant or pregnant or just had a baby. Now it's gotten to the point where EVERYONE asks me all the time when the little ones are coming - coworkers, family, friends, even my mom which was a shock to me because she wasn't the happiest person in the world about me getting married so young (she didn't want the same path for me that she took). Her blessing was just the icing on top of the cake. Everything is ready emotionally, financially, etc. just these darn amalgams..!! I NEVER have had any regrets in my life until this one - until now. If I could just go back and never have gotten those stupid fillings I could be pregnant right now, eating WAP, and refusing any vaccinations.
Since I am not mercury toxic as far as I know (or at least don't have any major health issues)
Are you sure, given what you wrote below? That's a lot of stuff that tends to cluster in people with metals issues. I mean--if you wrote about your high BP and type 2 diabetes, I wouldn't jump to metals, but what you've written is not inconsistent with the types of issues people like me have.
you might be asking yourself well how did I come to find out about this and why does it bother me so badly..? The answer to this is that my brother is autistic and I also have a few cousins we think have Aspergers and another cousin that is bipolar as well as his mom (my aunt). All on my mom's side. Then my dad has some mysterious ALS-type disease that runs in his family and is more slow-moving than actual ALS. I believe it could be related to mercury or at least some kind of heavy metals.
I know some of you might be thinking why not just get them out and wait the 18 months/chelate etc. Well the thing is that I don't even know if I am mercury toxic, I don't even have any symptoms other than some mild general tiredness, mental fogginess and things that run in my family such as being a perfectionist, mild anxiety & stress, possibly having ADHD, distracted easily, etc. Most of these things were around long before the amalgams although they have gotten worse since but of course life circumstances have changed greatly (long immigration process for my husband, buying a home, dealing with everyday stresses of finances & work and my husband working weird hours). I do have a tendency to be paranoid and sorta hyper-focus on things and be a little bit OCD.
All that bold stuff? It's not normal. I mean--it was hard for me to see that depression and anxiety weren't fairly normal and benign, and even when I became hypothyroid, that was really common in my family too and not shocking, they happen all over my family history, but that's just because both my parents are prone to this type of health problem.
Read Kenneth Bock's book. He links autism, adhd, allergies and asthma as different manifestations of the same underlying problems.
My kids started out with a lot of metals and weird crap from me. Just because your amalgams were put in only a few years ago, that doesn't mean that everything was ok before--and in fact, if these mood issues were present beforehand, then something was wrong already. I had some symptoms that were present since as early as I can remember, I got metals from my mom.
I am only 23 but have accomplished ALOT and most of my life has been projects. First my wedding, then my husband's immigration process, then buying a house. I was so looking forward to having a baby because it was going to be a FUN time of my life - maybe a project but a fun and relaxing and EASY one. Then I started to learn about the amalgams and since then have been extremely discouraged and feel like it's some sort of death sentence almost. But I don't want to make the next year or so of my life about chelation, detox, etc. if they don't HAVE to be, dykwim..? I don't want to suck all of the joy out of starting a family when so many people just spontaneously get pregnant even with fillings and their children are fine and fully healthy. What if I worry and worry and detox and chelate and stress myself out and in the end it was all unnecessary + the stress harms my baby..? When I focus on something I have to put all of my energy into it and then it takes over and consumes my life. But then again what if I don't do anything and it was necessary..? What if I chose to listen to the other experts besides Cutler who say that conceiving a few months after amalgam removal is OK and my child is harmed..? What if I chose to listen to Cutler and waste 2 or so years of my life when I didn't have to..? What if I leave them in altogether and my child is ASD and it affects me as well later on down the road..?
Previously I was leaning towards getting them out and then TTC a month or so later but after finally getting my finances sorted out so that I have the funds for the removal, I have been online for 5-6 hours straight reading up again after a month or so hiatus from thinking about this crap.. and I have come to realize that the general consensus out there on this idea is that it is way too risky and dangerous.
So now I am leaning towards just leaving them in - eating WAP, refusing vaccinations, having a natural birth (which I wanted anyway), eliminating other toxins such as household cleaners, taking vitamins & supplements and then possibly having them removed and chelating after our first baby when we have more time.
And you'll chelate your child as well? If you need to chelate, I'd say your child needs it too, likely more than you do. They only get what we have to give--if it's too little zinc and magnesium and vitamin A and folate, then that's what they get, and if it's too much mercury and arsenic and weird environmental chemicals, then that's what they get.
Why would you have more time after your first baby? My son (2nd child) will be 5 before I'm healthy enough to consider TTC. That's not the gap we planned. It's hard, so hard to be sick and care for kids as well. Pregnancy and nursing is incredibly nutritionally draining--I think that's true for everyone, I see it all around me, but the effects are magnified for people with pre-existing health conditions. I felt normal before I got pregnant with DD, I never dreamed I had serious health problems brewing. I don't know why my health fell apart before it was obvious something was wrong with the kids, but it seems to be atypical, based on all the people I've written with.
But really--being sick and tired, and having to learn all this and try to mitigate the damage to your child, it makes life hard. It's hard on a marriage.
I am hoping that since I am so young, have so few fillings, and have had them in for such a short time + my husband's genes (and he is hispanic which I have read have a lower rate of autism)
General trends don't mean much, compared to his specific family history. DH is Hispanic and has rocking detox genes, they saved our daughter from EI and all sorts of heartache. But MTHFR gene variants occur in the Hispanic population, just saw an interesting study about it--early strokes are not uncommon in the Hispanic population--and then there's the diagnostic issue. With the socio-economic differences, I'm not sure that diagnosis is equal across all racial and ethnic lines in the US, so I'd take general trends with a big grain of salt.
+ the fact that maybe I am worrying about nothing in the first place since I don't have any obvious or extreme affects from my fillings = a healthy baby..??
How long have you been eating WAP? How much food folate do you consume a day? Magnesium, Vit C, selenium, B6, methyl-B12, zinc, molybdentum, sulfate, fermented vegetables, whole food probiotics, pastured poultry, 100% grass-fed beef, HVBO, fCLO, soaked grains, etc.?
If you've been doing all of that for at least a couple of years. I'd say you've probably chelated a lot of the mercury already.
With lots of respect for Pat, who knows a lot about nutritious food, I disagree with this statement. I don't see anything in the list above that chelates--meaning, draws metals from tissues. Our bodies are supposed to get sufficient nutrients every day, just to maintain current good functioning, which is hard enough with all the chemicals in our home environments and work environments and foods. Doing that, PLUS dealing with a heavy load of built-up toxins is IMO too much to ask without supplementation.
With your family history, I'd worry, however about impaired detoxification genes, specifically the MTHFR gene. It is easy enough to have that tested to see where you stand. Also, there are hair tests for heavy metals. Let me find the thread about testing for mineral status preconception. Preconception care: Mineral Deficiency Test
I haven't been following any specific diet plan yet.. it's all super confusing and overwhelming to me... and it all tends to contradict itself..
I plan on going to the health food store tonight to pick some things up and get started... what should I look for..? Should I get raw milk or organic milk..? What kinds of supplements & vitamins should I be getting if I leave my amalgams in..? Are they different ones than if I am taking them out..? I read all of those links but that just led to me having about 10 different windows open and googling everything and getting super confused... =*(
Does one look for high levels or low levels on a hair test..? How long do the results take to get back and how can I intrepret them..?
Look at page 30 of this thread, 2nd post down, it describes ordering the correct hair test. Results in less than 2 weeks after you send it off, make sure to send the release so you can get results online.
It's not a straightforward interpretation, but that's discussed on page 30--my hair test, before DD was born but before I knew what to look for, had levels of mercury too low to detect. Wasn't circulating or being excreted, I was just storing it away.
Hmm I didn't know that about copper.. what does the copper do..?
Oh and also does anyone know if it is safe to take selenium while the mercury is still in..?? I know that it's good for after they are out..
I am still struggling with my decision to TTC or wait. I won't be doing chelation at this point - maybe later on in my life - but I can wait up to 1 year after amalgam removal if it will help .. is this enough time to wait if not chelating..?
Best guess, and it is a guess since this is a tricky topic, is that about a year after you remove all your amalgams, your circulating metal levels will be about the same as before you got your amalgams out (they would've been higher in the interim). So your child wouldn't get EXTRA mercury at that point, but if you have a high bioburden due to accumulating for decades, that will still be passed on.
Is it a possibility that if my levels are normal I wouldn't need to get the amalgams removed just yet/postpone TTC..?
There's a vast gulf between people who accumulate mercury and get sick, and those who don't. You were right above--many people have amalgams and get pregnant and their kids are healthy and do not have high levels of metals and weird chemicals.
But then there are those like me who do, and our kids do. The biggest thing you need to figure out now is which camp you fall into, and then your choices will become clearer.
If so, where is the best place to get a hair test from are they all trustworthy..? And do you have to go to a lab or do you just send a hair sample in the mail..?
Hi chelating mamas,
I want to start out first by saying a big thanks to all you ladies for posting your experiences and sharing your info. Right now I'm a bit overwhelmed with reading posts after posts and am starting to get mixed up (doesn't
help with my brain fog). So I'm hoping someone can help me sort it out.
Why do you have brain fog? That seems like a big factor in determining the risks to your LO.
I have scheduled in May an amalgam removal due to a deep cavity beneath it - advised by an IAOMT dentist. I'm currently breastfeeding my 10month old DS and also have a mouthful of amalgams and other smaller cavities that I'm holding off until weaning.
Before you do much else, please check out the Curing Cavities with Nutrition sticky at the top of this forum. It's not a guarantee, but quite a few people have been able to heal cavities. For people with chronic health issues (and I'm more familiar with metals issues than other causes) I'd say supplementation should definitely play a part, in addition to good diet (not the usual definition of "good diet" -- this is a med-high/high fat diet).
What supplements and minerals should I be taking leading up to the removal and immediately after the removal? I've read about loading up on vit c, selenium, flax oil, zinc, vit A, vit E in several posting but I'm very confused about dosages.
No vitC the morning of the dental work, your anesthesia will wear off too quick, other than that, vitC dosage is very individual, I needed huge gobs, most people need less.
Whenever you do dental work, get a good multivit, I'd say Thorne Basic Nutrients, has real folate, and maybe one of the Thorne multi-minerals as well (biomins, citramins, maybe there's one other), sold lots of places online. I'd use fish oil instead of flax oil, say a good cod liver oil, or just a fish oil, instead of flax. Extra magnesium, the amount is variable, in general, keep cal and mag in a 2:1 or 1:2 range (where in there is individual, 1:1 is a decent starting point).
Also, should I dump and pump for 1 week and use formula. My DS comfort feeds and we've never bottlefed before.
IMO, no one should nurse their child right after they have amalgams placed or removed. The degree of risk depends on your health--our kids can't start out healthier than we are. The fact that you have brain fog doesn't speak well to your health (I've BTDT, not knocking you at all, brain fog was a big warning sign for me!) and IME, kids can have a lot more going on than meets the eye. Mine did.
This can have serious implications. I mean--my kids are in the typical range, not delayed, no diagnoses, and even with them, I've seen cognitive and developmental jumps or lags based on how they are doing with their metals. Sucks to see that with your kid, even when it doesn't cross over into the delayed category. It's hard to make these decisions when you can't think clearly. BTDT, no fun!
I don't know how long you wouldn't want to nurse--I'm not sure anyone knows. Best guess, at least 3 days? Search this thread (Thread Tools should have a Search function) for the mentions I've made of vitamin C flushes, and the online Perque document. That has helped reduced circulating metals in me, I did it the night (or the night after, hard to remember now) I got my amalgams out. It's not perfect, but it should help. I used modifilan to stop the headache I got after I got my amalgams out (iaomt protocol dentist). Those are safe while breastfeeding, I did them regularly to my benefit and I think my son's benefit as well, before I got my amalgams out and after (I weaned my son to get my amalgams out--hard decision).
I did seek a naturopath but she recommended cilantro and chlorella which I read was a big no-no during breastfeeding. She also suggested arame/wakame/nori. Is eating seaweed a safe recommendation?
What are the pros and cons of me taking ALA with DMSA vs just ALA? I've never had amalgams and think my exposure is decades old. I'm trying to pair down the budget and just wondering if I really even need DMSA.