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I think ALA has a positive effect on gluthatione levels, thus your feeling good on round...

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how much milk thistle do you take in a day if you're using ground seeds instead of extract?  I plan on dosing 4x/ day.

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Also, what do you take for mixed carotenes, lycopene, etc?

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how much milk thistle do you take in a day if you're using ground seeds instead of extract?  I plan on dosing 4x/ day.


I had a hard time finding recommendations for that.  I ended up on an herbalist's blog and she talked about seeing good results going as high as a tablespoon of ground seeds 3x/day.  I have a hard time sticking with it when it's just ground seeds mixed into OJ (best method I could come up with for myself), so I just bought a some size 00 capsules and a little machine to make filling them faster.  I'm probably going to stick closer to 2 tsp 3x/day just so I won't have to fill as many capsules. 

 



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Also, what do you take for mixed carotenes, lycopene, etc?



I need to check what my multi has.  It's either in my multi or I haven't taken anything.  My HCP recommended some Perque multivit and mineral supps and those accounted for most of the vit/min supps I've taken.  I'm fiddling with other stuff now, but that seems to have covered the basics pretty well for me for these last few years. 

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And I *think* I've just updated my subscription so that I get emails again, I stopped when MDC changed platforms.  My fingers are crossed waiting to see if this works. 

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Thank you tanya!  I agree that it will be hard for me to keep up with a tablespoon 3x/ day.  I have an idea of how I'm going to prepare it... I'll let you know if it works :)

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Let's see if an email reaches me, I just noticed your response.

 

But, she said that normally 1-2 tsp per dose was a much more typical dosage, she was trying some of the higher dosages, IIRC that wasn't that far off of the higher end of dosages for capsules for silymarin (the caps where it isn't the whole seed, it's just a fraction), so while I don't think 1 Tablespoon 3x/day is shockingly high, many people use less and it's helpful. 

 

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So... a short update about me.  Quick recap: I started taking vit/min supps in June-ish of 2007 to start supporting myself nutritionally for amalgam removal/chelating/just feeling better, and got my amalgams out in April 2008.  Started chelating with DMSA soon thereafter, and about 3 mos post-amalgam removal started the ALA, eventually dropped the DMSA without any problem, and have chelated since with a number of pauses, either because of moves or long vacations or just focusing on the kids for a while, or just taking a break. 

 

I think I'm about to declare myself done chelating.  I think I could keep going and get a bit more out (and I'm wondering about some non-metal chemicals), but I think I've made enough progress that it's reasonable for me to stop.  I'd like to TTC later this year--I want a 5-6 month (or more) break between chelating and TTC, and as a practical matter, I have some things still to focus on between now and then, one of which is fixing my funky cycles (they're still messed up--somewhat surprising since that was one of the last things to get weird for me, I conceived both of the kids easily). 

 

I may do one or two more rounds of ALA, I plan to be done, though, by the first week in February, my arbitrary cut-off point.  I can tell that I still need to focus on building myself up nutritionally, I've slacked on some things (supps and too much sugar) and doing that while chelating is a nice way to get rundown. 

 

It's a weird feeling to move on from this--it's been a long time.  I'm much more aware of the little things that are odd, that are still out of balance, than I was before--even though overall, I am much healthier, physically, mentally and emotionally than ever before. 

 

Anyway, I need to work more on the plan to get myself in a good place re: TTC, both in terms of normalizing my cycles (luteal phase is still short), and what/where to focus nutritionally--how much to handle just with food, how much with supps, how much to help along with energetic stuff.  Plus some good old-fashioned exercise. 

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Tanya -  Just wondering a few things:

1) What kinds of things have you noticed improvement in since you've been chelating? 

2) Have you noticed new symptoms that popped up since starting to chelate?

3) Have you seen lessening of allergic or sensitivity reactions to foods or environmentals?

4) What kinds of supportive supplements did you take (other than the chelating agents)?

 

I'm just getting started figuring out what I want to do for chelating.  It would be helpful to know what kinds of things helped (I know it can be individual, but it seems that you and I have so many commonalities it may just help me to know.)

 

TIA!

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I'm going to throw my responses in in purple...
 

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Tanya -  Just wondering a few things:

1) What kinds of things have you noticed improvement in since you've been chelating? 

Physical stuff: my body temp has come up (daytime temps of 96s at my lowest, now I'm often around 98.2, so not quite normal (I really did used to be 98.6) but a lot closer), and I feel warmer... I have less fatigue, especially if I take care of myself just a bit (I think that's more adrenal than hypothyroid);  I have more resilience and responsiveness, I really think I was both stuck and fragile--stuck in the sense that I _could_ help myself feel better, acupuncture helped a bit (though going every week is too costly to do for long) and slowly, slowly stuff like extra sleep/plenty of snacks/no caffeine helped, but it took months to see change and the change was modest, and I didn't have any bounce when stressful stuff came up -- small things would make me feel worse quite easily.  That's part of why I get into the habit of staying up late now--for a long time, I HAD to go to bed really early to feel sorta ok, whereas now it takes a while for the staying up late to catch up with me, and I recover a lot faster/easier.  And now I'm more responsive to changes--if I slack on my multivit, I notice it, but I can correct it a lot faster.  And I am more in tune with what's good for my body and what's not, and that seems to still be improving--yes, I am finally really feeling and accepting that chocolate is not my friend.  So that's not necessarily an improvement, except that it's better to know than not.  orngtongue.gif  And it's hard to describe, except I just felt bad, I didn't feel well, and now I *feel* stronger, more vital. 

 

Emotional stuff: I was really surprised to see emotional changes, but I'm sure they're related.  I'm more solid emotionally--I used to take things personally very easily, I was quick to interpret others' words or actions as reflecting their negative feelings of me, and I'd hurt inside but be quiet about it, never tell anyone.  I am much more open in being able to tell people how I feel--I didn't talk about my feelings much for most of my life, now I can honestly say X hurt me, without trying to make someone feel bad, just explaining why I felt that way--but I also can see much easier when my actions contributed without castigating myself for my errors, or conversely accept that others' actions _aren't_ about me, and I can let it go a lot easier.  And I'm not depressed--looking back, I think I was for about 2 years, from the middle of my pregnancy til about 5 mos after I got my amalgams out--I felt a significant emotional shift then, I just looked around and the world was brighter.

 

I also feel more connected to other people, in the very broad sense of all of humanity, but also family and friends.  I wasn't uncaring before, but I think now I can think and feel more outside myself--hard to describe exactly, but it feels different.

 

Just as I have more physical resilience now, I have more mental/emotional resilience too.  My moods (and motivation) still fluctuate a bit more than I'd like, but the range is still much happier than it used to be and I can actively work to improve my moods a lot easier. 

 

2) Have you noticed new symptoms that popped up since starting to chelate?

I've actually gone through quite a few new symptoms, but some of them are new symptoms for old problems (and oftentimes the old problems have disappeared).  Like last year, for a while too many late nights + too many caffeinated beverages = carpal tunnel pains, which I think were magnesium related (I solved them with cell salts, but I think the cell salts were helping with magnesium utilization).  I'd had other mag symptoms in the past, but not carpal tunnel. 

 

My digestion is off now, it's not horrible and I think I can improve it (I sure plan to work on it), but the ALA took its toll on my digestion--and I seem to be unusually un-prone to digestive issues (mom and son are the same, we got lucky there).  If I had to go back, I'd do more digestive support while I was chelating (but something easy, cause I wasn't up for stuff that took a lot more work--I'm giving DS digestive enzymes simply as support through chelating, it slowly took a toll on him too). 

 

Lately, because I've been feeling better, and thus trying to do more (focus more on the kids' health AND DH AND me all at once, plus do more homeschooling stuff and household stuff), I've slacked on my supps while still chelating, and I can feel that.  My teeth will have ups and down in how sensitive they are and the edges get a bit transparent--it goes away a lot faster than it used to once I eat better or supp more. 

 

I had the typical pattern post-amalgam removal: felt better for a 2-3 mos, then worsening of symptoms--depression, lack of motivation, I couldn't think clearly (got lost driving places, like that), and for me at 5 mos post-removal I hit an abrupt turning point and felt optimistic and happy (though energy was still an issue) and that was the signal that things were really improving from then on (with minor hiccups that I caused along the way--like 3 mos of eating gluten and dairy and it making me depressed).

 

3) Have you seen lessening of allergic or sensitivity reactions to foods or environmentals?

I'm much less sensitive to gluten than I was when I first cut it and dairy out (I still haven't consumed dairy-only in large quantities, so I'm not sure what that would do---when I've chosen to do lots of dairy, it's always with gluten--like pizza).  My enviro allergies are definitely getting better.  I think the improvement in daily stuff (dust mites, dog fur, like that) is subtle, but here in central/south Texas, Dec-Feb is big-time pollen season, it's the cedar, and a few years ago it would flatten me, I'd be barely functional.  Last year, I didn't feel it at all.  Not a bit, and it was a record bad year, lots of people who never had problems before were suffering.  This year, I've let myself get rundown with the chelating this fall and not being consistent enough with my vit/min supps, so I'm feeling it a bit, but I can make the symptoms go away with sublingual methyl B12.  I'm taking 6-8 mg per day (divided, 1 mg each time I feel itchy/stuffy) but it's working.  I don't think that would've touched my symptoms a few years ago. 

 

4) What kinds of supportive supplements did you take (other than the chelating agents)?

--multivit: Perque2 Life Guard,

--mineral supp: Perque Bone Guard Forte 20;

--adrenal supps for a while but I didn't notice a big difference so I stopped;

--Iodoral (I didn't have any problems starting it, some people have difficulty, there's an Iodine thread in Health & Healing that discusses support through that--it helped some of my hypothyroid symptoms);

--vitamin C to bowel tolerance daily;

--vitamin C flushes after each round chelating were a HUGE help (search for flush, I've described and linked the doc in this thread);

--later on I added in vitamin D just figuring I had to be low (didn't notice any symptoms change);

--I used sublingual hydroxy B12 for a long time but lately I've seen we do well on methyl B12 (holisticheal.com has mega B12 drops that are economical);

--I took some sort of DHA supp for a while, it was expensive and I stopped.  I've re-started with Jarrow DHA Max, a fish oil with a whole lot more DHA than EPA and it doesn't seem to cause bruising issues for me (the cell salts may be helping with that, DS and I had reductions in stuff like that both with taking K2 and with taking bioplasma, the 12-in-1 cell salt).

--modifilan, it's a seaweed extract, I took 3 each morning for quite a while, slowly dropped it due to cost (but I love it, I give it to my kids) -- it can help chronically by taking stress off, or it can help acutely, like if you get a nasty headache, like the one I got 2 hours after I got my amalgams out.

--melatonin, I still need it to get to sleep, and I've seen interesting ups and downs... started at 3mg, then up to 5mg, then 6mg then 8mg for about 6 mos, then back down to 5mg, and eventually down to 2mg for a while.  I'm back up to 3 mg and I think it's related to my methylation/B12 right now, I think/hope I should be able to get off it within a few months. 

 

I'm just getting started figuring out what I want to do for chelating.  It would be helpful to know what kinds of things helped (I know it can be individual, but it seems that you and I have so many commonalities it may just help me to know.)

 

TIA!


I'm worried I'm forgetting some pills.  A lot of what I was/am taking is pretty typical.  I WISH I'd known about cell salts and had taken them throughout, I think they would've helped smooth the edges more. 

http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1188755/tell-me-about-cell-salts

 

I buy the kind that are lactose-based and I seem to tolerate the dairy fine, but there's contact info for Panserbjorne if someone needs the sucrose-based kind.  Bioplasma and Tonic E (the one that has all 5 phosphates) seem reasonable/appropriate for worn down, tired people, as a starting place.  Individual cell salts can do cool stuff too, but if you just want to start somewhere, that's reasonable. 

 

Oh, and one thing about the multivit.  Mine has folinate, which is a kind of folate but not 5-mth folate which some people need.  If you're concerned about MTHFR genetic issues, Thorne multivits have real folate.  You may want/need to add in some extra B complexes beyond the multivit (the Perque has a whole lotta B vitamins, IIRC it's in line with the recommendations in the Getting Started doc on the autism mercury and frequent dose chelation yahoo group Files folders) but Thorne is easy to buy online, easier to get than Perque (which I've only seen on vitalbee.com -- it's mostly through healthcare providers). 

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Oh, and it looks like I'm really not getting emails about this thread, despite changing my subscription to Immediate emails.  Will need to figure that out, if I'm slow, you can PM me, I do get those emails.

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Oh, and it looks like I'm really not getting emails about this thread, despite changing my subscription to Immediate emails.  Will need to figure that out, if I'm slow, you can PM me, I do get those emails.



If it doesn't seem to be working, try putting in your request in this thread...they are taking suggestions now...

http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1291662/help-us-help-mdc-we-re-creating-a-top-ten-feature-request-list-for-2011/80#post_16192680

 

Tanya, thanks so much for your information!  Lots to look into now, and this is the kind that's almost a joy to do. orngbiggrin.gif  (BTW, DS loves the Eco-Dent tooth powder you recommended.)  I've been seeing alot about digestive problems while chelating.  I've seen it postulated that because the DMSA and DMPS to a lesser degree don't get fully absorbed and therefore some amount stays in the gut - it attracts mercury there.  I'm guessing the same could be true of ALA - I haven't checked for that yet.  So, I've heard about TD-DMPS (transdermal DMPS cream), and I wonder if that would help us in the short run, at least before going on the ALA.  Plus, I wonder if using a very small dose of ALA over a longer period of time would be better for the digestion.  Just trying to think ahead and work around that, because so far I haven't seemed to have digestive issues (but I haven't been taking any real chelating agents yet).

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Has anyone ever heard of or tried MMS (Mineral Miracle Supplement)? It says on the MMS website that it detoxes heavy metals. Very curious. . .


I'm not convinced about this at all.  I'm not seeing how it was evaluated.  I have some in my cabinet, but I'm very skeptical about this.  SO many things make this claim, with nothing to back it up.  I'm not saying it doesn't....just that I don't understand.

 

I have seen isopathy work very successfully in my family and in the clinic, so I am quite open to alternatives.  This just seems....fishy.  I reserve the right to change my mind in the future though.

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Has anyone ever heard of or tried MMS (Mineral Miracle Supplement)? It says on the MMS website that it detoxes heavy metals. Very curious. . .


I'm not convinced about this at all.  I'm not seeing how it was evaluated.  I have some in my cabinet, but I'm very skeptical about this.  SO many things make this claim, with nothing to back it up.  I'm not saying it doesn't....just that I don't understand.

 

I have seen isopathy work very successfully in my family and in the clinic, so I am quite open to alternatives.  This just seems....fishy.  I reserve the right to change my mind in the future though.


I've done a brief check on MMS - it's a product you need to mix to make yourself a batch of chlorine dioxide, which is toxic.  I've seen it recommended to remove biofilm inside the body (for those who have biofilm).  I've not seen it for detox, as it's toxic itself.  Like PB, I'd be skeptical of using it for detox.

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After some more reading/poking around on the web, it does seem like a very odd supplement to take.  And some folks are really hard core, and swear by it.  I think if its so underground, it must be for a reason.
 

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Has anyone ever heard of or tried MMS (Mineral Miracle Supplement)? It says on the MMS website that it detoxes heavy metals. Very curious. . .


I'm not convinced about this at all.  I'm not seeing how it was evaluated.  I have some in my cabinet, but I'm very skeptical about this.  SO many things make this claim, with nothing to back it up.  I'm not saying it doesn't....just that I don't understand.

 

I have seen isopathy work very successfully in my family and in the clinic, so I am quite open to alternatives.  This just seems....fishy.  I reserve the right to change my mind in the future though.


I've done a brief check on MMS - it's a product you need to mix to make yourself a batch of chlorine dioxide, which is toxic.  I've seen it recommended to remove biofilm inside the body (for those who have biofilm).  I've not seen it for detox, as it's toxic itself.  Like PB, I'd be skeptical of using it for detox.

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So today I did a little experiment to make it easier to take my milk thistle.  I made little food bar type things and I think that it was a success!

 

First I ground up a handful of dates in the food processor.

Then I threw in 7 days of milk thistle, flax seed, acerola cherry powder and 7 brazil nuts.  Then I ground it all up together.  The dates bind it and I pressed it out onto a silpat mat.  Then I cut it into 7 strips and each strip into 3 bite-sized pieces!  I hope that it's ok to have it all mixed like that but I couldn't see why not.  Now it's all pre-measured and I can just pack one in mu lunch!!  I think it's going to work great for me :)

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Ok, I don't mean to sound like the kooky one coming up with all crazy things new! lol.  I do the 'traditional' route of supplements; I'm just the curious researcher! orngtongue.gif  Has anyone ever tried zeolite?  or homeopathics for metals?

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Ok, I don't mean to sound like the kooky one coming up with all crazy things new! lol.  I do the 'traditional' route of supplements; I'm just the curious researcher! orngtongue.gif  Has anyone ever tried zeolite?  or homeopathics for metals?



yup on both accounts.  I had good results with zeolite, but I don't think it was wrt to metals.   homeopathic are what I use to mobilize and excrete metals in general as I don't take the more intense line of approach.  I prefer gentle.

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Ok, I don't mean to sound like the kooky one coming up with all crazy things new! lol.  I do the 'traditional' route of supplements; I'm just the curious researcher! orngtongue.gif  Has anyone ever tried zeolite?  or homeopathics for metals?



yup on both accounts.  I had good results with zeolite, but I don't think it was wrt to metals.   homeopathic are what I use to mobilize and excrete metals in general as I don't take the more intense line of approach.  I prefer gentle.

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Hope there are some chelating mamas still lingering on this thread.  I've been considering replacing my mercury fillings.  Read thru alot of these threads and it kind of scared me.  I had no idea it would take years to get rid of the mercury.  Did most of the mamas on this thread have problems with their health before they had the mercury removed?  I'm sure my mercury levels are high but

 other than my recent bout w TMJ- I have not had many health issues.    I have had low B-12 since I was in my early teens which I am not sure is related to the mercury but I can see no other explanation.  I just take extra B-12 and I'm fine.  My friend also had 5 of her mercury fillings replaced and so far has not had any issues.  So I'm confused now.   Got a quote today and the holisitic dentist said I would probably need a crown on one of the teeth b/c the filling is so large.  Said if money was an object he could fill it but could not guarantee it would last more than a yr or so.  I would not need the crown if I did not replace the mercury filling.  Is it worth it.   Confused.

Where do I start- have my mercury levels tested?  Then have 3 removed and test again? Does everyone have these detox symptoms? My chiro says that I sould not have any problems considering

that I am in good health but when I read this thread I'm not sure what to do.

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