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Kleen Kanteen or SIGG??  

Poll Results: Which do you recommend in place of a traditional plastic sippy cup?

 
  • 46% (64)
    Kleen Kanteen
  • 41% (57)
    SIGG
  • 12% (18)
    Other
139 Total Votes  
post #1 of 66
4/11/06 at 6:08pm
Thread Starter 
It seems like these 2 seem to be the top choices for safe sippy cups and I am trying to decide between the 2. I will try to figure out how to make this a poll but if I can't will just post your vote? Or if there is another safe sippy out there other than these, please let me know. Thanks!
post #2 of 66
4/13/06 at 5:08pm
Personally I use SIGG. I chose them over Kleen Kanteen because you can put acidic beverages in them (stainless steel can leach nickel and chromium with acidic beverages. You can easily find this info on stainless steel via Google. Kleen Kanteen says all beverages are safe but they don't give reference to any independent testing for their stainless steel which I'd like to see.) and SIGG's sports caps are leak proof whereas KK's can leak http://greenbeans.ca/GB-KKFAQ.htm
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Are the sports caps leak-proof?

Not completely. Because Klean Kanteen doesn’t flex like a plastic bottle, the sports cap has been designed with a valve to admit air so you can drink from it easily. This valve can sometimes leak if the bottle is on its side or upside down.
I think either bottle is an excellent choice though. Here is some info on independent testing of the SIGG lining (wow, I've been posting this link a lot today!) http://www.reusablebags.com/news.php...details&id=144

I also found these today http://www.newbornfree.com/Catalog.aspx?categoryid=8758
post #3 of 66
4/14/06 at 1:46am
Thread Starter 
Great, thank you!
post #4 of 66
4/14/06 at 2:33am
Siggs! They are so darn cute for kids.
post #5 of 66
4/15/06 at 2:26pm
I have been using a funtainer from Thermos for my ds. It has a straw sipper and a cap that closes. It is stainless steel and keeps juice, etc. cold for hours. I purchased it at Target but you can get it from the Thermos website also.
post #6 of 66
4/15/06 at 3:41pm
I'm extremely displeased with the unknown properties of the lining in the SIGG bottles.

Kleen Kanteens for us! We only put water in them the vast majority of the time, so I don't worry about the stainless.
post #7 of 66
4/15/06 at 6:37pm
Test Results direct from Klean Kanteen
Klean Kanteen Lab Results Are In!!! Klean Kanteen is made from 304 L.N. Stainless steel which is grade blended specifically for: food preparation, dairy, brewing, various medical uses, and use where mineral migration is unacceptable.
This Stainless steel is put through a passivation / electropolishing process which seals the surface and prevents minerals from migrating into the contents. (The Klean Kanteen stainless steel water bottle goes through this process.)
To prove this Klean Kanteen had Monarch Laboratories do a 48hr sterile water test at room temperature. Test Report #222812 and NO - (0 ppm) Nickel could be detected.

my vote is klean kanteen. aluminum seems sketchy, though sigg seems to be concerned about it and has tested.
post #8 of 66
4/15/06 at 6:47pm
Test Results direct from Klean Kanteen
Klean Kanteen Lab Results Are In!!! Klean Kanteen is made from 304 L.N. Stainless steel which is grade blended specifically for: food preparation, dairy, brewing, various medical uses, and use where mineral migration is unacceptable.
This Stainless steel is put through a passivation / electropolishing process which seals the surface and prevents minerals from migrating into the contents. (The Klean Kanteen stainless steel water bottle goes through this process.)
To prove this Klean Kanteen had Monarch Laboratories do a 48hr sterile water test at room temperature. Test Report #222812 and NO - (0 ppm) Nickel could be detected.

my vote is klean kanteen. aluminum seems sketchy, though sigg seems to be concerned about it and has tested, so it is probably a fine alternative....
post #9 of 66
4/16/06 at 3:05am
Quote:
Originally Posted by talia rose
Test Results direct from Klean Kanteen
Klean Kanteen Lab Results Are In!!! Klean Kanteen is made from 304 L.N. Stainless steel which is grade blended specifically for: food preparation, dairy, brewing, various medical uses, and use where mineral migration is unacceptable.
This Stainless steel is put through a passivation / electropolishing process which seals the surface and prevents minerals from migrating into the contents. (The Klean Kanteen stainless steel water bottle goes through this process.)
To prove this Klean Kanteen had Monarch Laboratories do a 48hr sterile water test at room temperature. Test Report #222812 and NO - (0 ppm) Nickel could be detected.

my vote is klean kanteen. aluminum seems sketchy, though sigg seems to be concerned about it and has tested.
Those test results seem to imply they used sterile water in the bottles? If that's the case, stainless steel doesn't leach nickel or chromium into water. The leaching occurs with acidic beverages and foods such as tomato juice/sauce, apple juice, isotonic sport drinks, etc.

Just to clarify, the inside of SIGG bottles that touches the beverage is a coating of epoxy phenol resin, the aluminum does not touch the beverage.
post #10 of 66
4/16/06 at 8:31am
We love our Kleen Kanteen's. We only use them for water. Juice is a real treat in our house and not something I would be lugging around all day.
post #11 of 66
4/16/06 at 4:08pm
i was told sigg wasnt safe b/c ots aluminum and has plastic lining?????
post #12 of 66
4/17/06 at 1:06am
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Originally Posted by counterGOPI
i was told sigg wasnt safe b/c ots aluminum and has plastic lining?????
The link I posted in post #2 has an exerpt from independent testing on SIGG bottles.
post #13 of 66
4/17/06 at 2:29am
Seems like steel is not necessarily safer than plastic. Makes me wonder. I thought I would also add that steel is a very polluting product. It is made, in part, from coal. Ever seen a coal mine? What about a mountain top coal mine? The current issue of National Geo. has an article. It is sickening. Steel mills are notoriously nasty polluters. I would not call steel in any way environmentally friendlier than plastic. And, if you do research, try the EPA and CEHN websites, there is a lot of research about plastics. Here is a quote from myself in another forum.

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Phthalates are a problem. There are forms of plastic that do not contain phthalates. Nalgene and Playtex make sippy cups that are made with polypropylene and polyethylene. They also do not have the problem bisphenol-A in them that is also a problem. I feel comfortable giving them to my child.


"Some alternative polymers, however, such as polypropylene and polyethylene, among others, do not require plasticizer additives of any kind, and concern about their leaching is not an issue." Source: http://www.sehn.org/Phthalate_Safety.html


Here are four websites where you can find the accurate information you need to make reasonable and sound health decisions for your families.

http://www.epa.gov/teach/
http://www.checnet.org/
http://www.cehn.org/
http://yosemite.epa.gov/ochp/ochpweb...t/homepage.htm
post #14 of 66
4/17/06 at 5:28pm
Does anyone have a full test result list for SIGG or Klean Kanteen?

When I google I end up with more message board discussions: I followed the link to the german testing site but once I had it translated I found that I would have to buy the test results.

" I just downloaded a test result for aluminium bottles from www.oekotest.de. Stiftung Oekotest is a German testing agency, like Consumer Reports, but everything is tested for environmental friendliness and health concerns. The SIGG aluminium bottle they tested received very good ratings: it leaks minimal traces of aluminium at room temperature, more at higher temperatures (thats why you should protect it from heat and not use it with hot drinks as stated in the manual that comes with the bottle), there was no bisphenol A found, no diethylhexyphthalate, no vinyl. With this it did quite good in the test. They consider traces of aluminium less dangerous than the stuff plastics usually leak."

"I forgot to mention that the Sigg bottles were tested with a slightly acidic solution, as it is common in Germany to mix sparkling water with fruit juice as a refreshing drink. Under those circumstances the bottles leaked aluminium (aluminium leaks with acidy and fatty foods)."
post #15 of 66
4/17/06 at 5:32pm
mermommy, don't quote me on this, but I believe after those test results, SIGG changed their lining to a water based lining and then there was no traces of aluminum found. This was back in the 90's I believe. I can't remember where I read this info and wish I had bookmarked it at the time. I will try to dig it up.
post #16 of 66
4/21/06 at 3:25am
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Originally Posted by TechnoGranola
mermommy, don't quote me on this, but I believe after those test results, SIGG changed their lining to a water based lining and then there was no traces of aluminum found. This was back in the 90's I believe. I can't remember where I read this info and wish I had bookmarked it at the time. I will try to dig it up.
I believe that is correct too. At least that is what I read. We do Sigg bottles here for the kids and Klean Kanteen bottles for water. I grew up in West Virginia and the the coal mines are yucky, yucky, yucky! Very scary...my brother and I used to play in an abandoned coal mine near our home when we were little. My mom found out only a few years ago and was absolutely freaky. It is a wonder we were never hurt or worse.
post #17 of 66
4/23/06 at 10:50pm
SIGG bottles are what we use, for water only (just because I'm a dingaling and would let juice get all nasty in the bottle). I like that they are Swiss made, I trust the labor practices.
post #18 of 66
4/23/06 at 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by boongirl
Seems like steel is not necessarily safer than plastic. Makes me wonder. I thought I would also add that steel is a very polluting product. It is made, in part, from coal. Ever seen a coal mine? What about a mountain top coal mine? The current issue of National Geo. has an article. It is sickening. Steel mills are notoriously nasty polluters. I would not call steel in any way environmentally friendlier than plastic. And, if you do research, try the EPA and CEHN websites, there is a lot of research about plastics. Here is a quote from myself in another forum.
This is very interesting. I just invested in a whole set of stainless steel cookware and traded in plastic storage bowls for glass only to find out a few days later that stainless steel may not be the best option and plastics may not be of the devil. That being said . . . ds gets only cool water in an Avent sippy cup and no juice yet if ever. I was thinking about getting the Kleen Kanteen 40 ozs. water bottle for myself and a small one for him . . . I'm interested to know if anybody has anything else to add to boongirl's comments (thanks for posting that boongirl).
post #19 of 66
5/1/06 at 11:19pm
Bumping this up for hopefully some more info...

I would like like to try one but I still can't tell which one
post #20 of 66
5/12/06 at 3:34pm
nevermind,a mama from MDC ruined it for us....
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