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post #1 of 81
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I moved to my new community about 3 weeks after Evan was born. I have been searching for a new church, and just got a flyer in the mail for one that seems to be everything I have been looking for. I emailed the pastor this: "Hi! I received your flyer in the email about *** and would like to know if you are doing your Easter service at a special time or just at regular time. Also, I see that you use contemporary praise and worship; is the atmosphere more casual than a regular worship service? I ask because I have a 5 month old son who would be coming with me, and many people in more "classic" churches tend to disapprove of having an infant in service, but most especially nursing an infant in service. Thank you for any information you can help me with, I really appreciate it! I hope to meet you on Sunday!"

The pastor emailed me back stating that if I come, I am welcome to have Evan in service but that I should nurse in the nursery, so as not to be a source of lust to the men in the congregation.



Okay I think that's about how I feel. ANyways, I replied back to him with: "I'm sorry that you feel that way about nursing a baby in service. I would remind you of Joel 2:16, which reads "Gather the people; sanctify the congregation; asemble the aged; gather the children, even those nursing at the breast. Let the bridegroom leave the bedroom, and the bride her honeymoon chamber." I also take from your comments the assumption that I would be immodestly exposed, which because of my own comfort, I would not, as I would cover myself with a blanket. I understand that in today's society the breast is viewed as a sexual object when it is not, but the only way to correct this way of thinking is to portray its true purpose: the nourishment of babes."

GRRR! I'm so upset and discouraged!! I was really looking forward to attending this church! What would you all do: not go, or go and nurse in service?

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post #2 of 81
Good for you for your reply. It sounds great.

I'm not sure I have any advice for you - if it were me, I probably wouldn't have asked in the first place and just gone and nursed when babe wanted to. Hmmm. Now that you've asked, and gotten a "no," you're in a tough place. If the response you get back is still negative, then I would probably just not go at all. Sorry. Good luck!
post #3 of 81
I think you handled that very, very well. Let us know what he replies. I, on the other hand, may not have been so diplomatic.

Sorry this is happening to you mama, but nursing mamas in church is the only thing that's going to help people's deranged views of nursing mamas in church.

post #4 of 81
I say go and if you baby is hungry nurse. You won't offend The Lord, the only person that matters anyway.
post #5 of 81
I am glad you stood up for yourself. I also hope you can find a more supportive less freaked out church where caring for your children are concerned.
post #6 of 81
Wow - I'd be shocked too.

I agree, I prolly wouldn't have asked. I'd have just done it - it's a lot easier for them to poopoo it on email than in person.

But, I don't know now. For me, I probably wouldn't go. But, I don't like church anyway.
post #7 of 81
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Originally Posted by mommy2evan05
As far as nursing in service I would have to ask that you nurse in the nursery because I don't want you to be the source of lust from any of the men in the congregation. Sorry, that's just being real!"
Ugh...my DH uses this same argument against me....he thinks I should go out to the CAR to nurse....I'm like yeeeaaaah with two nursing babies(that nurse ALL THE TIME ) in the 90+ degree heat? Needless to say, we haven't been to church in years.
post #8 of 81
That is truly horrible. I'd be shocked, too.

What I want to know is, lets say a man just happens to maybe catch a glimpse of the side or top of a breast, with a little baby firmly latched on--- would ANY man ACTUALLY get all hot & lusty over THAT?? I mean really!!! "Oooh, I saw a square inch of breast skin for all of 0.8 seconds, with a baby slurping it's lunch down...oooooo I'm feeling all tingly!"
post #9 of 81
Go and nurse. Easter services tend to be fuller than normal ones, right? You won't stand out as new cause there'll be lots of people who don't regularly attend services.

Although.... If that church is filled with men who get lustful over breastfeeding, maybe you don't want to go there.

"Dear Pastor, I am saddened to hear that so many of your congregation are so corrupted by our modern world that even in a time of prayer they cannot turn their minds from sinful thoughts, even to the breaking of the ten commandments. I will pray for them and for you as you try to lead them closer to G-d."
post #10 of 81
If it had been me, I think I would have said "If the men at your church become aroused by the sight of a child eating, then they are perverts and should probably get some counselling." I say go, and nurse anyway! I hope you can avoid the bad vibes and just enjoy your service.
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post #12 of 81
Hmmm. The spiteful side of me would want to gather a bunch of women together and have them all come "casually" dressed -- fairly revealingly (many casual styles that are popular today are pretty revealing) while I was dressed modestly and nursed my babe. Just to make a point.

But what I would actually do is just show up and nurse as normal. If you meet and he realizes that you are the Tiffany from the email and he saw you nursing and he confronts you about it, I would just tell him you appreciate his concerns but you were prepared to be discrete and modest and you just knew there wouldn't be the kind of problem he was worried about. I would also prepare myself with references to any applicable laws about bfing moms in public places.

And I agree with sapphire chan and lazykate!
post #13 of 81
I would just go and nurse if you need to. Really, you're just talking about the comfort of the pastor because everybody else will be looking at him preaching, he is the only one that will be looking back at you (assuming he's the only one on stage). I can kind of understand where he might be coming from (that sounds bad but I'll explain). Most people don't know what a nursing mom looks like because they've never seen one or known what they're seeing if they do see one. He may very well think that you'll have your breasts hanging out and I wouldn't think that would be okay during a church service. Go. Nurse. Enjoy Easter. If questions arise, quote that verse and tell them you find your spiritual health to be so important that you decided to nurse there so you didn't miss anything.
post #14 of 81
I think your reply is amazing. Very well composed! If you are further questioned, you might also want to inform him of your legal rights as a nursing mother.
post #15 of 81
I nurse in church - and my son is a toddler. If anyone has an issue with it, I just smile at them and kiss my babe's head.

Good for you for standing up for yourself!
post #16 of 81
I would go right ahead & nurse and if anyone - especially the ignorant pastor - confronts you, simply tell him, "Jesus was breastfed!"

post #17 of 81
Fantastic response to his ignorance!
Find a different church...and this time, don't ask about nursing, just do it.
post #18 of 81
: great response and find a diffrent church to go to
post #19 of 81
WOW. I think I'd print off a few hundred copies of that email and hand them out at the Easter service.
post #20 of 81
Tiffany, your response was perfect. Good for you for standing up for yourself.

Quote:
"Dear Pastor, I am saddened to hear that so many of your congregation are so corrupted by our modern world that even in a time of prayer they cannot turn their minds from sinful thoughts, even to the breaking of the ten commandments. I will pray for them and for you as you try to lead them closer to G-d."
sapphire_chan, you've got me splitting at the seams : (much to the dislike of my nursing babe in arms! Poor guy!)
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