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The CDC: What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations

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http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...WhatIfStop.htm
post #2 of 62
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I'll start with pertussis - everyone please feel free to pick apart any misleading information you find.

The CDC states:

Before pertussis immunizations were available, nearly all children developed whooping cough. In the U.S., prior to pertussis immunization, between 150,000 and 260,000 cases of pertussis were reported each year, with up to 9,000 pertussis-related deaths.


What the CDC conveniently fails to mention -- these incidence and death rates ocurred thirty years before introduction of the vaccine. Right before the introduction of the DTP vaccine in the late 40's, there were about 1,000 annual deaths and approx. 70,000 annual cases reported.

Not only are the numbers blatantly misleading, the CDC implies the pertussis vaccine is responsible for this decrease in disease incidence and death.

For those of you who don't know what this is . . . it's called propaganda and scaremongering . . . and the CDC knows parents will eat it up.


ETA: We now know that pertussis is ENDEMIC in the United States
and there are MILLIONS of un/misdiagnosed cases of pertussis annually - more than the prevax era.
post #3 of 62
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If we were to stop vaccination against mumps, we could expect the number of cases to climb back to pre-vaccine levels, since mumps is easily spread among unvaccinated persons.


I just wanna know who writes this stuff. What are they thinking? Do they actually believe what they write?

How stupid. It makes the provax side look even dumber than it actually is.
I mean, there actually are, IMO, some valid pro-vax arguments.
But this list is basically just a compilation of easily debunked urban legends...

I'll come back with an actual contribution to the thread when I figure out where to start.
post #4 of 62
OK I'll bite-
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Chickenpox is usually mild, but may be severe in some infants, adolescents, and adults. Some people who get chickenpox have also suffered from complications such as secondary bacterial infections, loss of fluids (dehydration), pneumonia, and central nervous system involvement
What they fail to mention is that some people = 20% and half the people who develop complications are adults- considering the low numbers of adults who get CP the fact that 1/2 the complications from CP come from adult cases is a significant number. And they conviently leave out the fact that most CP complications are due to other immune compromising conditions.
Dana
post #5 of 62
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Before the vaccine was developed, there were approximately 20,000 invasive Hib cases annually.



True . . . a decade before the introduction of the first Hib vaccine. Why not give number right before the vaccine was introduced instead of using the misleading 20,000 figure? Answer: to mislead.

They also don't tell you that the incidence of Hib declined dramatically prior to the introduction of the conjugate vaccine.

Notice how they say "before the vaccine was developed?" All vaccines are "developed" prior to their licensure and introduction.
post #6 of 62
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In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized.
What?
http://www.pediatricweb.com/seattle/...&ArticleType=9


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What are the complications?

The most frequent complications of measles are diarrhea, middle ear infection ("bacterial otitis media"), bacterial pneumonia, and inflammation of the brain ("encephalitis"). Diarrhea is the most common complication of measles in the United States, and it occurs in approximately 10% of children who develop measles.
So, only 10% even get diarrhea, but 20% are hospitalized?

Are they just blatantly lying here?
post #7 of 62
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From the CDC on measles:

An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported each year between 1953 and 1963.

Yeah . . . and?


Here's the mealses mortality chart: http://healthsentinel.com/graphs.php...rint_list_item

The mortality rate for measles had already been steadily declining (some years dramatically) in the years prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine. However, the CDC would once again like you to believe it was the measles vaccine which caused the decrease in mortality. What was causing the steady decrease prior to the vaccine?

Magic?
post #8 of 62
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The CDC states: As many as three of every 1,000 persons with measles will die in the U.S.

Anyone good with math? Can someone "translate" this please?
post #9 of 62
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The CDC states: If vaccinations were stopped, each year about 2.7 million measles deaths worldwide could be expected

I am not concerned with the death rate in the developing world. And I don't care about imported cases.

How many deaths would there be in the UNITED STATES (a developed country) if we stopped vaccinating for measles?




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post #10 of 62
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The CDC states the following regarding tetanus:

From 1922-1926, there were an estimated 1,314 cases of tetanus per year in the U.S.


True . . . twenty (20) years prior to the introduction of the tetanus vaccine.

Tetanus rates were steadily declining prior to the introduction of the vaccine and there were just a few hundred cases just prior to the introduction of the vaccine. The CDC conveniently left that out, instead using an incidence rate 20 years prior to the introduction of the tetanus vaccine.


See a pattern here people?
post #11 of 62
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The CDC states:

Because tetanus bacteria are widespread in the environment, tetanus can only be prevented by immunization.


That's just a blatant lie.
post #12 of 62
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If vaccination against tetanus were stopped, persons of all ages in the U.S. would be susceptible to this serious disease.


The goverment currently claims more than half of the adult U.S. population is not protected against tetanus . . .

. . . so why hasn't the incidence of tetanus risen if tetanus is "widespread in the environment?" If we're so susceptible and tetanus is everywhere, where are all the tetanus cases? If the only way to prevent tetanus is through vaccination (as the CDC claims), why isn't more than half the adult population getting tetanus?

Answer: Because we aint living in unsanitary conditions any longer. A person was unlikely to get tetanus just before the introduction of the vaccine . . . and it's the same way today.
post #13 of 62
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Originally Posted by LongIsland
The CDC states: As many as three of every 1,000 persons with measles will die in the U.S.

Anyone good with math? Can someone "translate" this please?
When I was a kid, one of the traits my grandparents felt strongly about instilling in me was the ability to not be led astray by false advertising.
Every time a commercial would come on that had the phrase "up to" in it, they'd laugh and say "What does that mean, again?" and the appropriate answer I'd dutifully give back was "Less, probably far less than".
They called it "swindle-speak".
post #14 of 62
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Originally Posted by mamakay
When I was a kid, one of the traits my grandparents felt strongly about instilling in me was the ability to not be led astray by false advertising.

Every time a commercial would come on that had the phrase "up to" in it, they'd laugh and say "What does that mean, again?" and the appropriate answer I'd dutifully give back was "Less, probably far less than".
They called it "swindle-speak".


The CDC just LOVES to use "up to."

"As many as" is another clever marketing tool they use.
post #15 of 62
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Worldwide, tetanus in newborn infants continues to be a huge problem. Every year tetanus kills 300,000 newborns and 30,000 birth mothers who were not properly vaccinated.

Again, the incident rate in developing countries is not a factor. The reason why the death rate in newborns is so high in these countries is because of the poor sanitary conditions.

Prior to the introduction of the tetanus vaccine, there were just a few hundred cases of tetanus (not deaths). Unlike developing countries, tetanus does not (and did not) kill hundreds of thousands of newborns in the United States. It did not kill that many newborns just prior to the introduction of the tetanus vaccine, because santitary conditions in hospitals were . . . umm, sanitary . . . and improved with every year.

It doesn't kill 300,000 newborns in developed countries, even with waning "immunity" of the mother. The last time most mothers in the U.S. received their last DTP dose was as a child. It doesn't kill newborns in the United States because we don't live in a developing country with unsanitary conditions! Not because we vaccinate.
post #16 of 62
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Worldwide, tetanus in newborn infants continues to be a huge problem. Every year tetanus kills 300,000 newborns and 30,000 birth mothers who were not properly vaccinated.
Newborns don't get vaccinated for tetanus, anyway!
And what % of women of childbearing age are up to date on their tetanus vaxes here, if you want to credit passive immunity?
What a load of incoherent nonsense...

ETA:
Here is why tetanus is a huge problem for newborns in developing countries.

http://www.who.int/reproductive-heal...apter5.en.html


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Traditional practices may also conflict with recommendations. The application of cow dung or another harmful substance to the cord stump may be deeply rooted in the local culture, for example, and applying nothing to the cord may be unacceptable. Suggesting the use of a safe alternative substance (e.g. an antiseptic) may therefore be appropriate in such circumstances. If cultural tradition demands binding of the newborn's abdomen to protect the stump from "bad air", it may be difficult to recommend air drying of the stump. In this situation it will be more beneficial to provide information on more sanitary methods of binding, such as covering the stump with a clean piece of gauze and a clean bandage that is frequently changed.30
Teaching traditional birth attendants and families about clean cord care is not always an easy undertaking as people's traditional frame of reference is often based on religious or supernatural beliefs as opposed to the physical and technical approach of scientific medicine. Local practices and the intention behind them must be understood properly before change can be introduced. People's traditions and beliefs must be used as a basis for introducing new practices. For example, to help people understand the phenomenon of bacterial contamination of the cord stump by hands, ties and cutting tools, comparisons can be drawn with other local concepts and practices that are beneficial, and local terminology on the transmission of diseases can be used.69
post #17 of 62
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Ah, then we have diptheria. This is probably the most blatantly misleading information on this page. It's truly the most dispicable.

The CDC states:

In the 1920's, diphtheria was a major cause of illness and death for children in the U.S. In 1921, a total of 206,000 cases and 15,520 deaths were reported. With vaccine development in 1923, new cases of diphtheria began to fall in the U.S., until in 2001 only two cases were reported.


Yes, a vaccine was developed in 1923.
However, an effective vaccine wasn't used until the 1930's. It wasn't put into widespread use until it was used as DTP in 1947.

Once again, the CDC uses incidence and death rates a decade or more prior in order to scaremonger and mislead.


And the icing on the cake ladies? The diptheria incidence chart (diptheria in dark blue). Remember, the vaccine wasn't used widepread until the late 40's:
http://healthsentinel.com/graphs.php...rint_list_item


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post #18 of 62
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By the way, diptheria and croup used to be clumped together:

Bureau of Vital Statistics:
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/...stat/1434.html
post #19 of 62
They speak of tetanus as if it is a contagious disease. They make it sound like newborns "catch" it from their unvaxed mothers. Sick.

off to look at more....
post #20 of 62
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Polio virus causes acute paralysis that can lead to permanent physical disability and even death. Before polio vaccine was available, 13,000 to 20,000 cases of paralytic polio were reported each year in the United States. These annual epidemics of polio often left thousands of victims--mostly children--in braces, crutches, wheelchairs, and iron lungs. The effects were life-long.
Natural polio virus produces NO symptoms at all in over90% of the people who are exposed to it , even in epidemic conditions.
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Development of polio vaccines and implementation of polio immunization programs have eliminated paralytic polio caused by wild polio viruses in the U.S. and the entire Western hemisphere.
There is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. From 1923-1953 before The Salk vax , the polio death rate in the US and England had already declined on it's own by 47% and 55% respectively. Many Eurpoean countries questioned it's effectiveness and refused to use it. Yet those "epidemics" ended too. The CDC puts the credit to the vax...when in reality..those countries didn't use the vax.
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In 1999, as a result of global immunization efforts to eradicate the disease, there were about 2,883 documented cases of polio in the world. In 1994, wild polio virus was imported to Canada from India, but high vaccination levels prevented it from spreading in the population.
barfo No mention of the only known cases of polio in the US since 1980 have come FROM THE VACCINE...which they figured out ...so they ship the LIVE vax to other countries now...It makes me wonder if there would be polio anywhere in the world if they would stop using the live vax in third world countries.

I like this Dr. Jonas Salk quote...mysteriously not found anywhere on the CDC site... " When you innoculate children with a polio vacine you don't sleep well for two or three weeks."

The standards of how polio was diagnosed changed when the live virus vax was introduced. It used to be a paitent had to show signs of paralysis for 24 hours...then they changed it to sixty days. (magically making the numbers of polio go way down)
Also...cases of aspetic meningitis , which were counted as "polio" before the vaccine ,now were considered a 'new disease'.
All vaccinated individuals who came down with "polio like symptoms" were diagnosed as "aspetic meningitis". Skewing the efficacy.

(my info from Neil Miller's book )
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